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Northeast states cut heating aid to poor
Breitbart ^ | 12/11/11 | ap

Posted on 12/11/2011 9:30:24 AM PST by Nachum

WASHINGTON (AP) - Mary Power is 92 and worried about surviving another frigid New England winter because deep cuts in federal home heating assistance benefits mean she probably can't afford enough heating oil to stay warm.

She lives in a drafty trailer in Boston's West Roxbury neighborhood and gets by on $11,148 a year in pension and Social Security benefits. Her heating aid help this year will drop from $1,035 to $685. With rising heating oil prices, it probably will cost her more than $3,000 for enough oil to keep warm unless she turns her thermostat down to 60 degrees, as she plans.

"I will just have to crawl into bed with the covers over me and stay there," said Power, a widow who worked as a cashier and waitress until she was 80. "I will do what I have to do."

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1 posted on 12/11/2011 9:30:25 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Useless eater.


2 posted on 12/11/2011 9:32:24 AM PST by null and void (Day 1055 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes arent made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Nachum

Well, maybe if people start to feel the high cost of energy, they’ll put pressure on the worthless politicians who are keeping the prices artificially high with their leftist, anti-productive policies.


3 posted on 12/11/2011 9:34:42 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Nachum

Well, maybe if people start to feel the high cost of energy, they’ll put pressure on the worthless politicians who are keeping the prices artificially high with their leftist, anti-productive policies.


4 posted on 12/11/2011 9:34:55 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Nachum
$12,000 annual pension + SS ??. That's not bad.

Why not just go into a senior apartment. Hate basic stupidity.

5 posted on 12/11/2011 9:35:03 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Nachum

My sister did the same, trying to raise a child (after my POS bil left her) while putting herself through school to support herself and my one nephew.

She is now an RN. Yes, she had to “borrow” money from me to get a bit of oil for heat and hot water, but she made it through.

Where are these elders family to help out? I sure as heck didn’t have enough money to just give, but I did.

Where are their families, or neighbors to help them out?


6 posted on 12/11/2011 9:36:04 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Nachum

My sister did the same, trying to raise a child (after my POS bil left her) while putting herself through school to support herself and my one nephew.

She is now an RN. Yes, she had to “borrow” money from me to get a bit of oil for heat and hot water, but she made it through.

Where are these elders family to help out? I sure as heck didn’t have enough money to just give, but I did.

Where are their families, or neighbors to help them out?


7 posted on 12/11/2011 9:36:08 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Nachum

My sister did the same, trying to raise a child (after my POS bil left her) while putting herself through school to support herself and my one nephew.

She is now an RN. Yes, she had to “borrow” money from me to get a bit of oil for heat and hot water, but she made it through.

Where are these elders family to help out? I sure as heck didn’t have enough money to just give, but I did.

Where are their families, or neighbors to help them out?


8 posted on 12/11/2011 9:36:14 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Why not just go into a senior apartment.

...in FL.


9 posted on 12/11/2011 9:37:35 AM PST by jessduntno (The Republican elite hates him, Rove hates him, Boehner hates him, liberals hate him. It's Newt!)
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To: Nachum

They feds needed to send the money to Solyndra. They had a lot of hope and change for the Solyndra thing. It just didn’t work out.


10 posted on 12/11/2011 9:37:37 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Nachum
Not to worry, SOMETHING good will come out of “necessarily skyrocket” and “pay fair share”.
11 posted on 12/11/2011 9:38:38 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Sacajaweau
Why not just go into a senior apartment. Hate basic stupidity.

Because the corrupt elite in Boston would rather give senior apartments to illegal aliens than US citizens.

Just ask BHO. He has his aunt Zeituni stashed in one.

12 posted on 12/11/2011 9:40:26 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Nachum
and she'll STILL prolly vote RAT...
13 posted on 12/11/2011 9:40:54 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nachum
gets by on $11,148 a year in pension and Social Security benefits. Her heating aid help this year will drop from $1,035

Is that fuzzy math again? No, she's not getting by on $11k/yr with just a pension and SS. Besides her heating aid perk, how much do all her other government freebies add up to? How about she cover those drafty windows and doors to keep the cold out? If things are so bad, where's her family or are they also complaining about the mean ol' government cutting their beanies? Sorry, lady, but there are taxpayers out here who aren't on the dole who are bringing in the same amount per person.

14 posted on 12/11/2011 9:42:14 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Nachum.
Mary Power is 92... lives in a drafty trailer in Boston's West Roxbury neighborhood and gets by on $11,148 a year in pension and Social Security benefits. Her heating aid help this year will drop from $1,035 to $685. With rising heating oil prices, it probably will cost her more than $3,000 for enough oil to keep warm unless she turns her thermostat down to 60 degrees, as she plans. "I will just have to crawl into bed with the covers over me and stay there," said Power, a widow who worked as a cashier and waitress until she was 80. "I will do what I have to do."
"Next up: how this is all the fault of the Republican Party."


15 posted on 12/11/2011 9:43:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Nachum

I am reading this correctly that 25% of her annual income goes for home heating? That seems a tad high.


16 posted on 12/11/2011 9:44:21 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Imagine how warm she will be when she’s heating her home with solar panels and windmills.


17 posted on 12/11/2011 9:44:29 AM PST by digger48
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To: Sacajaweau
$12,000 annual pension + SS ??. That's not bad.

I read it as combined but if it's $12k pension + SS + heating + whatever other perks, then she doing way better than this taxpayer. She could have at least sent us a thank you card instead of whining.

18 posted on 12/11/2011 9:49:58 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: digger48
I just can't believe that this is happening during the Error Of Obama. I though Barry was going to move America past the poor ever being cold again.

sarc/

19 posted on 12/11/2011 9:50:41 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Nachum

But this is in Boston, land of the Kennedys who all now work for Communist dictator Hugo Chavez, giving out his oil for free to our country’s poor. How can this be??? Or maybe he’s paying them 6 figure salaries for doing something else now?


20 posted on 12/11/2011 9:53:22 AM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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To: bgill

I hate to be harsh, but I’m not going to burst into tears over this lady either. I mean, I grew up reading the Laura Ingalls Wilder books about living in a dug-out on the prairie, or later sleeping in an attic and waking up with a foot of snow covering the bed. The old-timers toughed it through living conditions 100 times harsher than anyone in this day and age. We’ve gotten pretty soft.


21 posted on 12/11/2011 9:55:46 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Sacajaweau
$12,000 annual pension + SS ??. That's not bad. Why not just go into a senior apartment. Hate basic stupidity.

It's probably "annual pension and Social Security" together totaling $12K. And while it's not bad, it doesn't cover $3K for heating. I have the same problem and considerably less income. I couldn't dream of turning on the heat when the temp drops to 60 -- with three quarters of a tank needed to last all winter. I put it on when the outside temp is 22, and then it's just to keep the pipes from freezing and the house from being condemned because I couldn't pay a plumber to repair them.

As for senior housing, that costs taxpayers money -- her pension and Social Security are not welfare, and the woman worked until the age of 80. Also, when you apply for senior housing you are expected to have few assets and your house has to be sold or given away -- and a sale is factored into your financial qualifications. You never know until you sell your home, whether you're even qualified for housing assistance. Sell it in this market, and hope the sale won't count against you? Talk about "basic stupidity."

I'll shiver with the unmortgaged roof over my head rather than place myself permanently and irretrievably at the mercy of some bureaucracy that wants me to self-dispossess to qualify for their strings-attached charity.

22 posted on 12/11/2011 9:56:22 AM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: Nachum

One will not freeze tuning the thermostat to 60º.GEEZ! That is where I keep mine most of the time but then I have to pay my bill myself.You wear heavier clothes and use throws when watching TV.


23 posted on 12/11/2011 9:57:31 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Nachum

I never used heating oil, but where I live, you can do a budget payment plan for gas. I pay $70 a month spread out over the year. Nice set amount with no surprises. I think that’s cheap.

Our heating assistance programs have been telling clients for months bot to expect much help this year. Too many people looking for help and not enough resources to go around. Maybe she should have planned ahead. I wonder how many people like her spend their checks on bingo or the lottery, then don’t have enough money for the heating bill.


24 posted on 12/11/2011 10:02:19 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: NoGrayZone

Probably due to the breakup of extended families we’ve seen in the decades since Social Security passed. Nowadays, more and more people just take it for granted that the government will take care of their relatives, and they don’t need to take any responsibility.


25 posted on 12/11/2011 10:31:06 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: fatnotlazy
you can do a budget payment plan for gas. I pay $70 a month spread out over the year

I have a plan like that for electric usage. Last year it was $60 per month. This year, with no changes whatsoever in my usage, they raised it to $90 and tacked on a 10% "administrative fee" as well. But it is still more affordable than heating oil. We spend most of the winter in one room of the house and the plumbing gets the benefit of the electric heat. The hundred gallons or so of oil in the tank, I won't even remember it by February.

You do what you have to do, as the lady in the article said. We bundle up, in a room with southern light, and make sure it's as well insulated as possible. For me the biggest problem is not staying warm, it's staying awake nights worrying about the pipes breaking or the heaters malfunctioning or the wiring frying or the power going out or some critter getting into the basement and knocking a heater over.

I worried before we were poor, too -- just about different stuff! :)

26 posted on 12/11/2011 10:31:17 AM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: chris_bdba
You wear heavier clothes and use throws when watching TV.

You have a tv? Luxury!! /4yorkshiremen

27 posted on 12/11/2011 10:34:17 AM PST by HomeAtLast
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She is 92. How many people at 92 have anyone left in their own generation? Her youngest child possible would be in their 70s. What if those family members are also dirt poor? Any grandchildren or grand nieces/nephews could also be in their 50s and in bad straits.

I do believe assistance might be available, but they make you spend down to nothing with no hard assets. Not that a trailer house is worth much, anyway.

What folks don’t realize is that the heating aid is a pool. It is paid for by those who pay for fuel or electric heat. More folks in bad situations equals less per fuel voucher. It is sent to the supplier and the time lag can be 6-8 weeks or so it has been in the past out here, where the rural fuel is propane.

This woman worked until she was 80. She has too much income to get food stamps in my state. Not even sure she could get SSI.

I did a major shopping yesterday. The stores were jammed, especially Aldi’s and Sam’s. Even the Mexican families were not being spendthrifts. I saw one family with mom, dad, 4 kids and what was probably a BIL. The men were deciding on everything that went into the cart. I saw them load up on 8 packages of the mini tortillas, 2 dozen eggs, some cheese and some 2 gallon containers of cheap juice. Likely they have 20#-50# bags of rice and beans at home. I saw the older man decide against some items that the wife had put in the cart and watched her put them back. I didn’t see them check out, but it made an impression on me. I did not see overflowing carts anywhere. I saw discussions between spouses, people checking off lists, people reading the labels and best by dates and weight/quantity and discussing those.

I spent 2x what I usually do at Aldi’s since I have experienced their products and bought my items there that were good quality buys at a savings. We splurged at the meat counter at Sam’s because we decided we would rather have a good piece of beef every 7-10 days than other items for the holidays. Also, we normally make a rib roast for Christmas and I didn’t even see one, anywhere. Instead, we bought an obscenely expensive whole rib eye, cut off a roast and made the rest into thick steaks that we will split. They will have to last us 3 months to justify the price.

Everyone is hurting and the most vulnerable are hurting the most. I hope the judgmental posters never have the experience of being asked to name their next of kin on some official form and having to reply that there is no one.


28 posted on 12/11/2011 10:34:45 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Nachum

I’ll never understand how this is my problem as a taxpayer and rather than something that her family should be doing. I have helped many family members over the years....it’s what families should do.


29 posted on 12/11/2011 10:35:11 AM PST by SailormanCGA72
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To: A_perfect_lady

Yeah, and the average lifespan was only about 49 years. Tough living takes a toll. I’m only heating to around 50 degrees during the day and turning the furnace off at night to save money, but for someone who is in their 90s, lowering the thermostat to 60 degrees could have a notable health risk.


30 posted on 12/11/2011 10:35:38 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: A_perfect_lady

Yeah, and the average lifespan was only about 49 years. Tough living takes a toll. I’m only heating to around 50 degrees during the day and turning the furnace off at night to save money, but for someone who is in their 90s, lowering the thermostat to 60 degrees could have a notable health risk.


31 posted on 12/11/2011 10:36:51 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: A_perfect_lady

Yeah, and the average lifespan was only about 49 years. Tough living takes a toll. I’m only heating to around 50 degrees during the day and turning the furnace off at night to save money, but for someone who is in their 90s, lowering the thermostat to 60 degrees could have a notable health risk.


32 posted on 12/11/2011 10:37:19 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: Nachum

It isn’t Obamanomics, it’s Obamunism.

Obamaville, it isn’t a place, it’s a lifestyle.


33 posted on 12/11/2011 10:37:35 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: JerseyanExile

For someone in their 90s, EVERYTHING is a risk. Taking a bath is a risk. A flight of stairs is a risk. It is not the government’s job to remove all risk.


34 posted on 12/11/2011 10:39:49 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: reformedliberal

My sympathies are limited. She is 92. Assuming she or her spouse began working at 18, she’s had upwards of 74 YEARS to make preparations for her retirement. She did not and expects others to cover for her misjudgment.


35 posted on 12/11/2011 10:51:43 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Nachum

Obamacare will remove this problem.


36 posted on 12/11/2011 11:00:34 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: NoGrayZone
She is now an RN. Yes, she had to “borrow” money from me to get a bit of oil for heat and hot water, but she made it through.

Quotation marks around the word "borrow", duly noted. I've "loaned" money like that.

37 posted on 12/11/2011 11:02:27 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but I want a President who loves mine.)
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To: Nachum

The northeast poor should all go to beautiful, sunny, southern California. All of them. Pay for their travel, even. California is completely and hopelessly down the Democrat toilet anyway, so who cares?


38 posted on 12/11/2011 11:05:49 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: reformedliberal

These are difficult times for too many people who played by the rules and who were screwed in the end by this economic disaster.

I can’t imagine how difficult it would be for an elderly citizen to stay warm in a trailor in Boston, no matter the cost of heating.

She lives in Roxbury so she’s not surrounded by neighbors and family who are any better off than she is. She might be the richest in the family and hood.


39 posted on 12/11/2011 11:06:53 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: A_perfect_lady
I hate to be harsh, but I’m not going to burst into tears over this lady either.

My mother is 91 and doesn't live like this woman lives. She makes it on her own and another thing is that I and my brothers and sisters would simply not allow her to live that way.

Has she no family at all?

40 posted on 12/11/2011 11:06:57 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but I want a President who loves mine.)
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To: reformedliberal

These are difficult times for too many people who played by the rules and who were screwed in the end by this economic disaster.

I can’t imagine how difficult it would be for an elderly citizen to stay warm in a trailor in Boston, no matter the cost of heating.

She lives in Roxbury so she’s not surrounded by neighbors and family who are any better off than she is. She might be the richest in the family and hood.


41 posted on 12/11/2011 11:07:00 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: A_perfect_lady
I hate to be harsh, but I’m not going to burst into tears over this lady either.

My mother is 91 and doesn't live like this woman lives. She makes it on her own and another thing is that I and my brothers and sisters would simply not allow her to live that way.

Has she no family at all?

42 posted on 12/11/2011 11:07:12 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but I want a President who loves mine.)
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To: Nachum
Where are their families, or neighbors to help them out?

That stuff is from the olden days. Nowadays people depend on government to be their mommy and daddy and make life "fair" for them whether they deserve it or not.

Congratulations to the Democrats. They won.

43 posted on 12/11/2011 11:09:57 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: reformedliberal
Everyone is hurting and the most vulnerable are hurting the most. I hope the judgmental posters never have the experience of being asked to name their next of kin on some official form and having to reply that there is no one.

Well said. Who knows why she didn't have $500,000 saved for her retirement, as some other posters have cynically asked. Maybe she had to quit school during the Depression to help her family out. Maybe she had a sick husband. Maybe the place where she worked for years went bankrupt and shut down. Who knows? What we do know is that she worked until she was 80. That tells me a lot about the lady.

44 posted on 12/11/2011 11:14:36 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Graybeard58

When I “loan” money, I do so with the intention on never getting it back.

If I want (or need) it back, I do not “loan”. My sister is my sister...I’d take a bullet for her. In my time of need she was there for me.

I only have a couple of people, except for those who are strangers who need it more than I do, that I would “loan” money....not that I have it.

There is a verse in the Bible about a widow who could only afford 5 something (whatever money was called back then). She gave double of what she could afford with her right hand giving and her left hand covering what she gave.

That is what I try to base my giving on.


45 posted on 12/11/2011 11:22:16 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Nachum

Not everyone can get natural Gas. At 4 dollars a gallon for heating fuel then you should be able to figure out what just a couple of 275 gallon tanks of fuel will cost. And some local governments tax it on top of that. How would you like to pay an additional 4%? Wall street, and wall street bankers are responsible for the price of oil. It is not supply and demand. We must pay whatever oil costs. What better commodity to make a fortune on. It is one of the best bailout tools that they have.

We have lots of welfare money to spend on Europe, and the government is all for supporting $700,000 dollar mortgages, and much more crap. But People are just going to freeze to death if we have a really long cold spell. And ultimately it is government who Approved wall streets abuse of oil. In fact it is government who provided the liquidity to wall street in order to drive the price to the moon.


46 posted on 12/11/2011 11:47:22 AM PST by Revel
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To: Nachum
This person is a unit and does not know it. Bet the kenndy managing the program never got a pay cut.
47 posted on 12/11/2011 12:02:34 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: Leaning Right

Right on, right on, right on!!


48 posted on 12/11/2011 12:04:30 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: Nachum

This is a creepy thread...


49 posted on 12/11/2011 12:05:38 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Revel
Yes, yes, woman worked until 80, how much do you think the man makes a year managing the public utility that is charging her an arm and a leg.
50 posted on 12/11/2011 12:07:10 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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