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Gingrich: Health Insurance Mandate 'Started As Conservative Effort to Stop Hillarycare'
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Posted on 12/11/2011 12:55:16 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Gingrich: Health Insurance Mandate 'Started As Conservative Effort to Stop Hillarycare' By Terence P. Jeffrey December 11, 2011

(CNSNews.com) - Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Saturday defended his previous support of a federal mandate requiring people to buy health insurance by saying that "virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less dangerous future" than the health-care plan being advanced by then-First Lady Hillary Clinton in 1993 and that the idea of mandating that people buy health insurance "started as a conservative effort to stop Hillarycare in the 1990s."

As recently as this May, Gingrich defended what he called a "variation" on the insurance mandate.

On Saturday, however, said: “It’s now clear that the mandate, I think, is clearly unconstitutional.”

Gingrich explained the evolution of his view on the individual mandate in a Republican presidential debate from Des Moines, Iowa, that was broadcast Saturday night on ABC.

"I just wanted to make one point that is historical,” Gingrich said in the debate. “In 1993, in fighting Hillarycare, virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do. The Heritage Foundation was a major advocate of it. After Hillarycare disappeared, it became more and more obvious that mandates had all sorts of problems built in to them. People gradually tried to find other techniques. I frankly was floundering trying to find a way to make sure that people who could afford it were paying their hospital bills, while still leaving an out for libertarians to not buy insurance. And that’s what we were wrestling with. It’s now clear that the mandate, I think, is clearly unconstitutional. But is]t started as conservative effort to stop Hillarycare in the 1990s.”

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KEYWORDS: gingrich; healthcare; healthinsurance; heritage; heritagefoundation; hillarycare; individualmandate; insurance; insurancemandate; mandate; newt; newtgingrich; obamacare; rino
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He has more positions than China has rice.........
1 posted on 12/11/2011 12:55:19 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

That’s not a position, it’s a statement of fact.

Conservatives were willing to settle for a mandate.


2 posted on 12/11/2011 12:56:59 PM PST by TitansAFC (Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry are not your enemies, my fellow Freepers!)
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To: Sub-Driver; TitansAFC

****I frankly was floundering trying to find a way to make sure that people who could afford it were paying their hospital bills, while still leaving an out for libertarians to not buy insurance.****

That is called examining the problem and attempting to encourage citizens to assume responsibility for their lives and to limit the role of government.

What a concept - and the man admits to floundering. Diogenes - we have found him!!!


3 posted on 12/11/2011 1:01:47 PM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich - flying solo - without congressional baggage!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

lol.

Nothing “conservative” about complete capitulation

This man is willing to go halfway with the Dems on anything.

Abandon capitalism to save capitalism I guess


4 posted on 12/11/2011 1:02:43 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: TitansAFC
In my - now 17+ year old memories of that time - I never remembered mandates coming up as a "conservative alternative" to Hillarycare.

I remember Health Care Savings Accounts (as does Santorum).

I remember allowing small companies, groups (churches) and individuals to pool together to increase buying power.

I remember tort reform.

But I sure don't remember any stinkin' "mandate"!

Newt may not be Mittens, but not by much. He'll spin a yarn at the drop of a hat.

5 posted on 12/11/2011 1:03:13 PM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: Sub-Driver

What conservatives and how come the average voter did not know this?


6 posted on 12/11/2011 1:04:45 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Sub-Driver

Spin is spin..


7 posted on 12/11/2011 1:09:10 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: Yossarian

Perhaps you should check with the Heritage Foundation. It was their idea first. They since decided it was not a Conservative idea.


8 posted on 12/11/2011 1:15:41 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Sub-Driver
That's what happens when you think for yourself. Drones are afraid of it however because they don't know how to do it.
9 posted on 12/11/2011 1:22:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Yossarian
The individual "mandate" was advanced by the Heritage Foundation. Sorry you weren't paying attention.
10 posted on 12/11/2011 1:24:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Yossarian

“I never remembered mandates coming up as a “conservative alternative” to Hillarycare.”

Newt’s efforts to rewrite history are downright dishonest.

Now he pretends to be a reaganite but at the time he said that if George Bush ran as a continuation of Reagan he would lose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZyevTo8nhU

And according to him, FDR was the greatest president in US history:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgdzZJePL04


11 posted on 12/11/2011 1:24:55 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: TitansAFC

Newt is a progressive republican. Deal with it.

He will destroy the GOP along with the country.


12 posted on 12/11/2011 1:25:23 PM PST by CSI007
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To: freekitty
The average voter wasn't paying attention, obviously. After all, they had just finished electing clinton.
13 posted on 12/11/2011 1:25:26 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Newt is a progressive. What else is new.


14 posted on 12/11/2011 1:26:55 PM PST by CSI007
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To: CSI007
Newt is a progressive republican. Deal with it.
He will destroy the GOP along with the country.

Worth repeating.

15 posted on 12/11/2011 1:27:54 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Sub-Driver

“On Saturday, however, said: “It’s now clear that the mandate, I think, is clearly unconstitutional.””

I would call it the evolution of ones thoughts. In this case in the right direction. I believe Newt is speaking openly about his ideas on the subject and how he came to the conclusions as to where he is at today. Of course his detractors will just call him a liar.


16 posted on 12/11/2011 1:33:18 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Sub-Driver

“He has more positions than China has rice...”

Yes, but thanks for posting anyway. That explanation he during the debate was factual, even though Newt seems to me to try to swim with what he perceives to be the tide of history, rather than fight it.


17 posted on 12/11/2011 1:40:23 PM PST by ngat
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To: CSI007

The GOP was destroyed long ago.


18 posted on 12/11/2011 1:42:51 PM PST by TennTuxedo
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To: TennTuxedo

I fear you are correct. I thought the tea party could right things but that is looking less and less likely.


19 posted on 12/11/2011 1:48:30 PM PST by CSI007
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To: freekitty
He mentioned the Heritage Foundation.

I searched Heritage's website and found this:

Why Conservatives Need a National Health Plan

This version is not exactly paragraph-friendly so here's the PDF version of it. Look on page 6. That sounds like an individual mandate to me.

20 posted on 12/11/2011 1:53:15 PM PST by Sister_T (I am PROUD of Herman Cain and his accomplishments. And I still support him!)
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To: Sub-Driver

The Obamacare mandate is a hybrid between the more-market-oriented sort of mandate that Heritage floated as an alternative to Hillarycare, and full-on socialized medicine. Call Obamacare “fascist medicine”: state-designed and regulated everything, still provided by a vestigial market.

The several states might well try various and sundry types of health-insurance mandates and some variant might “work”, though it is hardly a small-government classically liberal idea. A Federal mandate is unconstitutional on the face of it (and if SCOTUS finds otherwise, that’s an argument for a Constitutional amendment to force a strict construction of the commerce clause and all other enumerated powers provisions).


21 posted on 12/11/2011 1:55:49 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Sub-Driver

He offered a conservative solution to a liberal problem.

I’d like to see him offer a conservative solution to a conservative problem. Like the deficit for instance.


22 posted on 12/11/2011 1:56:59 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Sub-Driver

He will be soon for the mandate to defeat Paul Ryan reforms.


23 posted on 12/11/2011 1:57:56 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: Sub-Driver

I don’t care where the idea came from, it’s still a horrible plan that will ruin healthcare.


24 posted on 12/11/2011 1:59:12 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Sister_T

Thankfully, Heritage has changed it’s position.

All of us, including conservative organizations, will make mistakes, but let’s stay away from the ones who make too many mistakes.

imo, Newt has made too many mistakes, but he is better than Romney, Paul or Huntsman.


25 posted on 12/11/2011 2:09:02 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: sodpoodle
That is called examining the problem and attempting to encourage citizens to assume responsibility for their lives and to limit the role of government.

I agree that many conservatives were in favor of a mandate in the early nineties, but there was nothing in Newt's proposal that limited the role of government. It expanded it to include policing the purchase of insurance or establishment of a bond.

Any attempts at either necessarily accuse everyone of being deadbeats who cannot be trusted to pay their debts.

26 posted on 12/11/2011 2:10:41 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Sub-Driver; justabrokestudent

HEY YOU! YEAH, Nanny-State Newt, YOU IDIOT!

A “Conservative” CONSERVES! What is being “conserved” when your jack-booted, Nanny-Government forces us at the point of the Federal Gun to buy some Medical Insurance, or anything else that you “mandate”, that we do not want!

Apologize for calling yourself a “Conservative” or drop out of this Primary Race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW Newt, we simply can’t afford you, as we are TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY.


27 posted on 12/11/2011 2:15:08 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Sister_T

Well, the Left certainly took that and ran with it; didn’t they all the way to the bottom, of course, with their own little touches.


28 posted on 12/11/2011 2:24:51 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Sister_T

NAFTA was suppose to be a good idea too.


29 posted on 12/11/2011 2:25:39 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Sub-Driver
He has more positions than China has rice.........

And did anyone notice how he tweaked his amnesty position? Now, he's for a "guest worker program." How original.

30 posted on 12/11/2011 2:27:11 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: TitansAFC
Conservatives were willing to settle for a mandate.

Thank You. Putting things into context makes a world of difference. :)

31 posted on 12/11/2011 2:30:17 PM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: GeronL

Gingrich stopped Hillarycare, how did the current pubbie leadership do with Obamacare.....?


32 posted on 12/11/2011 2:37:34 PM PST by Leto (Damn shame Palin didn't run, The Presidency was Her's for the taking)
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To: Yossarian

Your memory is faulty. The mandate concept started at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. It’s well documented. Obama’s Justice Dept has even tried to use their past support to defend ObamaCare in court. In response, Heritage filed brief that the Justice Dept was misrepresenting its current viewpoint.


33 posted on 12/11/2011 2:38:05 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: Leto

Gingrich already saying there are parts of ObamaCare he wants to keep.


34 posted on 12/11/2011 2:41:36 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hillarycare was defused, no “Conservative” mandate ensued.

Seems like it was more a device than a goal


35 posted on 12/11/2011 2:46:11 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: GeronL

>> Gingrich already saying there are parts of ObamaCare he wants to keep

The index, cover pages, Medicare cuts? There are no specifics as far as I know.


36 posted on 12/11/2011 2:48:56 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Fueled by the support from conservatives and the Tea Party, Gingrich is ahead of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by nearly 20 points in South Carolina. The winner of that state’s primary has gone on to capture each GOP nomination since 1980.”

Read the entire post... it’s even worse than you think!!!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2818986/posts

Come on folks, you need to work harder and faster, if you’re going to bring down Newt before the nomination votes begin in only 24 more days. To help Romney win the nomination, you’re going to have to push and push even harder.


37 posted on 12/11/2011 2:50:47 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: Gator113

>> “Gingrich is ahead of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney”

>> Come on folks, you need to work harder and faster, if you’re going to bring down Newt before the nomination

Are you a Romney guy?


38 posted on 12/11/2011 2:53:25 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: Leto

Very good point. Some folks here have a problem w/ reality. The fact is that Clinton was pretty popular, & even more convincing at the time. Ultimately, the individual mandate, as proposed by The Heritage Foundation, was never implemented, but it did serve it’s purpose in at least being a part of the defeat of Hillarycare.

The Heritage Foundation has long had some very, very bright CONSERVATIVE minds within it’s confines. They’re not RINO’s! They were looking for solutions just as Newt & others were. It turns out their ideas were off. They scrapped them & went a different direction. Bright minds do that, even Reagan.

With that being said, Newt has promised to repeal Obamacare & to not introduce an individual mandate. Does anything else really matter?


39 posted on 12/11/2011 2:57:36 PM PST by Confab
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To: Sub-Driver
“It’s now clear that the mandate, I think, is clearly unconstitutional.”

This made me laugh. Gingrich's defense is all smoke and mirrors. Appeal to authority, everybody was doing it. The FACT is he's no less flawed on this issue than Romney.

40 posted on 12/11/2011 3:01:28 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: Gene Eric

LMAO


41 posted on 12/11/2011 3:13:12 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: BfloGuy

Of course, there was an alternative staring the HHS in the face:

Since Medicare is mandatory - any medical debts could have been garnisheed from future Medicare reserves.

OH dear - there are no Medicare reserves. Dang!!


42 posted on 12/11/2011 3:32:38 PM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich - flying solo - without congressional baggage!!!)
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To: Gene Eric
>> Gingrich already saying there are parts of ObamaCare he wants to keep

The index, cover pages, Medicare cuts? There are no specifics as far as I know.

Gingrich on Obama’s healthcare law: ‘About 300 pages are pretty good'

43 posted on 12/11/2011 3:47:53 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: TitansAFC

So-called conservatives, but we, the people were NEVER aware that that was an option they were pushing! I’ve heard that Heritage was promoting it, and at that time I did not hear that. But, had we heard that we’d have let them know that it was NOT an option that we’d support! He comes off sounding like the country was for it when we (the voters) were not aware that it was being considered. The “elites” were considering it, maybe, but we’d not been brought into this discussion, and had to come to light, we’d have probably sent him packing, ourselves.


44 posted on 12/11/2011 5:04:12 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: sodpoodle; EternalVigilance; bamahead; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup; calcowgirl; ...
and to limit the role of government.

By what, setting up more government machinery to implement and enforce a mandate?

Let's face it - when the rubber meets the road, most of the Republican Party's "upper management" is FOR various forms of Big Government, in direct contradiction of the small, limited government rhetoric it spouts off every election.

One only need look at the "compassionate conservatism" of the Bush years, six of which were marked by Republican control of both the legislative and executive branches of the Federal government with a tie in the judicial branch, for an example. That the Democrats support bigger, more activist government is a foregone conclusion; that the Republicans should do so too is more shocking because of their feigned allegiance to the opposite.

The heart of the matter is that the only real difference between the two parties is which departments of the Federal government grow faster under their tenures.

The heart of the matter is that, next year, just like many elections past, Fedzilla wins and middle-class Americans lose. Whether Obama wins or either of Gingrich or Romney wins, there will be bigger and bigger government, with more and more unkeepable promises made, debt stacked on top of debt, lies stacked on top of lies, until the whole house of cards comes crashing down. And, believe me, when the music stops, ordinary middle-class Americans won't have chairs to sit in, but the folks right here in the Federal swamp and its suburbs will.

45 posted on 12/11/2011 5:40:30 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Sub-Driver.


46 posted on 12/11/2011 5:43:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Sub-Driver

“The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit”. He, The Spirit owns the body, no government or any other organization...”ye are not your own”,

....not the government, or a hospital, or an insurance company, an insurance lobby behind bank bonds, not the pharmacia companies, not a bureaucrat, not the ritalin enforcers in education, a teacher or principal requiring a student to be “medicated” before the age of accountability vs. parents, not a doctor of medications, a so called “health secretary”, an investment lobby that attempts to call itself “insurance” and an “industry”, an agency, a foundation, or any other individual or organization.

Nor do any of the above have speech rights on mandates of the body. For the Spirit dwells within, speaks within,

“He whom the Son sets FREE, is free indeed.”


47 posted on 12/11/2011 5:53:01 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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To: rabscuttle385

Same old story: The Democrats propose to tear down the Washington Monument and the Republicans respond with a plan to do it in three stages.


48 posted on 12/11/2011 5:53:57 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican Party is retrograde. And that is not a compliment.)
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To: Sub-Driver

‘Medicine is the Keystone in the Arch of Socialism.’
—V.I. Lenin


49 posted on 12/11/2011 7:45:17 PM PST by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: TitansAFC

I doubt that is true. I think he means that Republicans were willing to settle for a mandate.


50 posted on 12/11/2011 8:06:45 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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