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Romney or Obama: Another Time for.. (A Chew Toy For the Kitties)
gopublius ^ | December 10, 2011 | Libertas

Posted on 12/11/2011 1:49:51 PM PST by VC2012

As the merry-go-round of the GOP primary continues, the present darling of fickle voters is Newt Gingrich, Like a phoenix he’s risen from the ashes to claim, with typical humility, “I’m going to be the nominee,” dismissing all other candidates as a trifling irrelevancy. Unfortunately the belated choice of Gingrich is no choice at all, for there can be little doubt how the questionably conservative and enormously polarizing Gingrich would fare against a personally popular Obama in the General Election.

There is, at present only one real choice to make regarding the next president. It’s either Romney or Obama.

A vote for any other Republican candidate is, to varying degrees, a decision to keep Obama in the White House for four more years. Deep down inside, Republican voters must know that Gingrich, 68, despite his many attributes, simply cannot beat Obama in the General Election. Neither can any of the other Republican contenders, most of whom don’t even excite Republicans beyond single digits. Only Romney has what it takes to go the distance.

Mitt Romney burst onto the political stage in 1994 with a Senate run against liberal lion Ted Kennedy. He did so in the most hostile political atmosphere possible – Massachusetts – a Kennedy in Massachusetts! It’s perhaps true that Romney worked hard to appear as a social moderate in order to short-circuit the hot button social issues that normally prevent any Republican from garnering a second look from notoriously liberal Bay State voters. His moderate appearance allowed him to attack Kennedy on policy grounds, and he gave Kennedy – all tolled a 46 year incumbent – perhaps the biggest scare of his career. Some would simply call this an intelligent election strategy. For others, it’s proof positive that he’s a perpetual “RINO;” a Nelson Rockefeller in conservative clothing.

In reality, businessman Romney was simply a pragmatist. Romney’s pragmatism was a hallmark of his stint as Massachusetts governor, but his biggest failing, according to conservatives was his state health care plan. The plan contained a mandate that all citizens purchase private health insurance. In retrospect, it is a thoroughly un-Republican viewpoint, but at the time, the plan, which was conceived by the Heritage Foundation (the nation’s foremost conservative policy institute), seemed like a practical answer to the state’s health care problem. The plan was supported by Heritage and endorsed by conservative leaders including Newt Gingrich. Romney’s true intention was to force the roughly 8% of individuals who refused to purchase health insurance, and who were freeloading off the system by utilizing public (often emergency) services at taxpayer expense as their primary health care, to take responsibility for themselves. The results-oriented Romney probably never conceived that his über-conservative-endorsed plan, would come back to haunt him, or that it differed in some material way from the other mandates that states impose on their citizens all the time, like, for instance, mandatory auto insurance. But that’s just what happened.

But Romney is no secret liberal. In looking at the Mitt Romney of 2011, it’s hard to find a position he supports that is in any way outside the conservative mainstream. Indeed, Romney differs little from even Santorum or Bachmann on the major issues, but unlike the others, he has both executive experience, as well as exactly the right kind of private sector leadership skill. But voters, particularly tea party voters, are simply reluctant to trust Romney because of his past campaign messaging and his conservative evolution. But isn’t that evolution a good thing? Indeed, when someone moves your way politically, like Reagan did, it’s typically seen as progress, not a perpetual source of inconsistency and mistrust. Still, some conservatives are completely foreclosed to the idea of Romney. They would much prefer to go down fighting with a ‘true conservative;’ they would rather knowingly elect Obama again than ‘compromise’ in any way on the GOP nominee. This philosophy, while exceedingly foolish, certainly flies in the face of the advice put forth by President Reagan, who said, “I would much prefer to get 80 percent of what I want than to go off the cliff with the flag flying.” Of course, again, it’s hard to see how conservatives are getting any less than 95% or more of what they want from Romney, based on his platform.

As of late, these same voters, so reluctant to trust Romney, have landed on Gingrich to be their man. It’s a curious choice. If being a reliable, unimpeachable conservative is the standard for securing the nomination (or at least garnering heavy primary support), it is nearly impossible to see how Gingrich measures up. It was Gingrich that worked for Nelson Rockefeller, and voted as a Congressman in 1979, to establish the hated Department of Education. He supported the individual mandate that makes Romney anathema to so many conservatives. He did television spots with Pelosi to raise awareness about global warming. He ripped into rising GOP star Paul Ryan’s budget plan as “right wing social engineering,” he supported TARP, the very bailout legislation that gave rise to the tea party movement, and Gingrich even co-sponsored a bill to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine; a clear threat to the First Amendment. Gingrich has supported cap-n-trade, believes in ethanol subsidies, and is a proponent of a form of amnesty for illegal immigrants. Newt Gingrich isn’t a bad person, indeed there’s much about him to like and admire, but if an unblemished conservative record is required to be the GOP nominee, Gingrich doesn’t make the cut, not by a long shot.

Similarly, Romney isn’t a bad person. Indeed, by all accounts he’s an exceedingly decent person, a family man with a strong marriage of 42 years, and has been a success at both business and governance. At present, given Gingrich’s stance on amnesty, subsidies and others, Romney is arguably more conservative than Gingrich. Given his reputation as a dynamite businessman and a respected ‘fixer’ of failing companies and bankrupt organizations (like the 2002 Winter Olympics), Romney seems like exactly the right man at exactly the right time.

If electability, rather than an unbroken chain of conservative purity is your standard, there is no Republican even remotely as electable as Romney. It is an inescapable reality, and the sooner that Republican primary voters wake up from the delusion that there is a perfect conservative to run against Obama, or that trying to shove the round peg of a Gingrich into the conservative square hole won’t work, the sooner we can all prepare for the titanic billion+ dollar fight ahead with Obama.

There is every expectation that as the Gingrich balloon grows, it will also eventually burst; brought down by a salivating mainstream media and a trainload of personal and political adversaries spanning decades of public life. Gingrich, if given enough room, will self-destruct or be destroyed as he always does. For their part, team Romney should avoid panicking (as the media suggests they’re doing), regain their steady General Election-oriented footing, and work on the critical organization that will deliver Romney votes.

For team Romney, easy does it. Or that’s what they should remember. Having watched challenger after challenger rise and fall this primary season, while Romney has remained consistent, the Romney team should be careful not to overreact. Yes, Gingrich unexpectedly poses the most serious threat to Romney, and time is running out before Iowa, and more importantly New Hampshire, but the decision to go on the attack is not entirely a wise one – and certainly not for the candidate himself. Romney’s team should work through surrogates to help differentiate the two and cast doubt on Gingrich’s leadership quality, temperment, conservative bona fides and electability (all fair game), but Romney himself must remain the happy warrior. Romney must focus narrowly on turning around the economy and building a better America, while keeping his fire trained on Obama. A nasty Romney is a loser (that goes for debates as well).

For Romney himself, it’s time to speak to the American people. The real bar to Romney’s rise isn’t so much a problem with his record, but the perception of it, and him. It’s an emotional response by voters, and it requires an emotional remedy. It is time to accelerate the roll-out of Romney that is undoubtedly planned for the General Election, and which has been wisely contained for fears of over-exposure. Romney can and must begin speaking to our gut; to appear to be a reliable agent of prudent conservative reform, displaying a Reaganesque optimism and a positive, pro-growth vision for the country. This is even more true given what we know about his rivals. Gingrich is constitutionally incapable of being the sunny optimist – his will be a wonkish, scoffing campaign characterized by impatient outbursts of ‘father knows best’ rhetoric. It may play to the fire in conservative bellies at present, but it won’t go over in the general. Similarly, Obama cannot now run as the sanguine agent of change. We know his only chance, given his paltry record, is to keep on doing exactly what he’s been doing – sow class discord and hyperbolic fear about his GOP opposition. His will be a negative campaign, despite the veneer of ‘hope and change’ they attempt to cover it with. This leaves the door wide open for the kind of candidate the American people like – the ‘get-er-done’ optimist. Romney is capable of fulfilling that role, and doing so in a way that takes advantage of the glaring character flaw possessed by both his opponents – vanity. A humble, optimistic Romney committed to achieving a bright new future based on conservative principles, and operating above the fray, can be a potent weapon.

Now is the time for Romney to begin communicating at greater length and depth to people’s values, their hopes, and the future they face, absent reform. Now is the time when Romney must connect with people, help them feel good about supporting him, and build a level of trust that can translate into GOP votes. Romney must stand for real reform and convince voters that he’ll deliver it. He must paint for voters a vision of a renewed America versus the ceaseless road to decline under Obama, and all along voters must be reminded that he’s the only guy that can win.

Talk to us Mitt.


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100% right. i cant believe you are all going for newt. your will give us obama again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 posted on 12/11/2011 1:49:56 PM PST by VC2012
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To: VC2012; Jim Robinson

IBTZ


2 posted on 12/11/2011 1:52:04 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: VC2012

I have new use for Newt Romney in any form.


3 posted on 12/11/2011 1:53:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; TheOldLady; Arrowhead1952; paulycy

ping!


4 posted on 12/11/2011 1:53:39 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: VC2012

Romney says his socialized medicine is good and he applauds it. He says that Islam is the religion of peace. He cannot take a position on an issue and keep it — he spins in the political wind.

Nice try. No, bad try. The people will decide who takes the Repub slot, not the liberals, the media or the Obama socialist regime.


5 posted on 12/11/2011 1:54:13 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: VC2012

lol

Romney can’t win. period.

He doesn’t even appear on my list.

and I’m not a Newt fan.


6 posted on 12/11/2011 1:54:31 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: VC2012

::popcorn::


7 posted on 12/11/2011 1:54:48 PM PST by mnehring
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To: MrEdd
IBTZ

Second that.

8 posted on 12/11/2011 1:55:32 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: VC2012
The real bar to Romney’s rise isn’t so much a problem with his record, but the perception of it, and him.

Perceive this!

IBTZ

9 posted on 12/11/2011 1:56:04 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: VC2012
Who could NOT want the ineligible statist and fascist, Mitt Romney
who, although he destroyed Massachusetts,
actually reportedly made money from the 911 Victory Mosque?

"(The GroundZero Mosque) cleared its final hurdle ….
developers plan to build the $100 million center which will include a mosque.
Since its incipient stages in July 2009, when a Muslim-run real-estate development
company purchased the damaged, vacant building and land where the new center
will be built, the project has sparked controversy and debate.
.... the tattered building that was bought by the Muslim real estate company had
been owned by a subsidiary of Bain Capital, a company Romney founded in 1984.

So it’s OK if his company can profit off the sale of the land ."


“Bain Capital, has cut checks totaling $90,000 to Romney’s operation. “


10 posted on 12/11/2011 1:56:39 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: VC2012

2nd account zot. Don’t do this again if you value your posting PRIVILEGE.


11 posted on 12/11/2011 1:58:37 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: VC2012; darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; ...
i cant believe you are all going for newt.

I can't believe you're such a moron! ZOT!

To be added or removed from the Viking Kitty/ZOT Ping List, FReepmail Darkwing104 or 50mm.

12 posted on 12/11/2011 2:02:13 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: VC2012
It’s either Romney or Obama.

Dumb@$$. You forgot a letter. It’s Neither Romney or Obama.


13 posted on 12/11/2011 2:02:56 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: VC2012
And who could NOT want an ineligible serial liar like Romney ?

MORE MYTHS from MYTH ROMNEY


"Mitt Romney Lies About Father ‘Marching With Martin Luther King, Jr.’"
"Mitt Romney has been caught in yet another lie.
Only yesterday Romney’s claim of not supporting Planned Parenthood abortion mills was abruptly smashed by a photograph surfacing of him at one of their fundraisers in 1994.
Today, it’s Romney’s claim that his father “marched with” famed civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr.
During his “I’m a Mormon but it doesn’t matter” speech, Mitt Romney claimed he saw his father,
George Romney, marching with MLK during a 1968 civil rights march through Grosse Pointe, Michigan.
It was a stirring account of the efforts of his father to show that the Romney family have always reached across ecumenical lines.
Only one little problem… it never happened."


"Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald.
Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said:
"My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit."
"Yesterday (12/20/07), Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom acknowledged that was not true.
"Mitt Romney did not march with Martin Luther King,"
he said in an e-mail statement to the Globe.


Against Myth Romney is 1:

"On Sunday, June 23, 1963, 125,000 people marched down Detroit's Woodward Avenue
to the Civic Center, in what was described at the time as the largest civil-rights demonstration in the nation's history.
According to the next day's account in the Holland Evening Sentinel,
the crowd at the Center "lustily booed," when representatives of Governor George W. Romney
read a proclamation declaring "Freedom March Day in Michigan." But Martin Luther King Jr. didn't fault Romney for his absence,
which the governor ascribed to his policy against public appearances on the Sabbath.
"At a news conference following the march . .
[King] refused to criticize Romney for not attending the demonstration," the Sentinel reported."

Against Myth Romney is 2:

Susan Englander, assistant editor of the Martin Luther King Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University, who is editing the King papers from that era,
says Myth Romney was untruthful, when she told the Globe yesterday:
"I researched this question, and indeed it is untrue that George Romney marched with [Dr.] King."

Against Myth Romney is 3:

"King never marched in Grosse Pointe, according to the Grosse Pointe Historical Society,
and had not appeared in the town at all at the time the Broder book was published.
“I’m quite certain of that
,” says Suzy Berschback, curator of the Grosse Pointe Historical Society"


Of course, the RomneyBOTs continued to attack these educated women
who have only spoken the Truth about Myth Romney.

14 posted on 12/11/2011 2:03:05 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: VC2012

Uhm.... No?

Wait...

Make that “HELL NO”!


15 posted on 12/11/2011 2:03:05 PM PST by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: VC2012
for there can be little doubt how the questionably conservative and enormously polarizing Gingrich would fare against a personally popular Obama in the General Election.

This is all crap.

Just where, in Neverland, is obama personally popular? And even if you could find 10 non-commies to own up to that myth, what does "personally popular" have to do with "can solve our nation's problems" and "deserve to be re-elected", which are two polling questions currently running overwhelmingly against obama?

We could run anyone against obama and have a tremendous chance of winning. This election is going to be a blow out no matter what, because no matter what lies the obama regime spins, they can't cover the pain we are all collectively feeling as a nation.

Romney or obama my white butt. Neither is going to happen.

16 posted on 12/11/2011 2:05:10 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: VC2012
They all suck.

NO PALIN - NO PEACE

PS: Adios.


17 posted on 12/11/2011 2:05:20 PM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: VC2012; Arrowhead1952; 50mm; darkwing104; Darksheare; TheOldLady; Allegra
The Paultards andf Mittbots are coming out of the walls this afternoon.

But then, so do we...


18 posted on 12/11/2011 2:08:19 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: 50mm
Plenty of early Christmas chow for the VKs.
19 posted on 12/11/2011 2:09:30 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: VC2012

So you like Romneycare, abortion, homosexual ‘rights’ in excess of what humanity already has, higher taxes, etc?


20 posted on 12/11/2011 2:09:50 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Now that’s what I call a zot!


21 posted on 12/11/2011 2:10:14 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: VC2012

Dear Ass Clown,

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. Don’t you know that you are pathetic? You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, I’ll bet you couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won’t go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you. You are a bloody nardless newbie twit protohominid chromosomally aberrant caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum and I wish you would go away.

You’re a putrescence mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating fool, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?

If you aren’t an idiot, you made a world-class effort at simulating one. Try to edit your writing of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You’re a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won’t have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.

On a good day you’re a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I’m sorry. I can’t go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don’t have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn’t really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us “normal” people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are “challenged” persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn’t have been “right”. Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

P.S.: You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good.

I Hope This Helps...


22 posted on 12/11/2011 2:11:48 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: VC2012

“It’s either Romney or Obama.”

It’s either a broken neck or a bullet in the brain....get lost Romneybutt.


23 posted on 12/11/2011 2:21:11 PM PST by Grunthor (We don’t LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: VC2012

[ A vote for any other Republican candidate is, to varying degrees, a decision to keep Obama in the White House for four more years. ]

Before the primarys even before “iowa” this is pure propaganda..
Propaganda for weak minds obviously by RINOs.. or worse..

Newt is the ONLY one with a comprehensive PLAN shown on his website..
But anything can happen.. no one even knows who the Tea Party members ARE..
OR how they will VOTE.. So soon Nov. 2010 is forgotten..

Remember Nov. 2010.. when all the know it alls were WRONG...
The TpCaucus voting block will go for Michele Bachmann unless she does something stupid..
(like miss the Trump debate).... <— Ugh Oh!..


24 posted on 12/11/2011 2:21:18 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: VC2012

After last night’s debates, Newt sold me when he stood up for Israel. Romney look like a dithering fool.


25 posted on 12/11/2011 2:21:39 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: VC2012

I strongly disagree with this. The only way that Romney could win against Obama would be if Obama were caught in bed, on camera, with Barney Frank — and maybe not even then.

Romney’s biggest problem is that his positions are so all over the map that nobody is sure what he believes — other than he wants to be the President. He doesn’t connect with the voters. They don’t like him, they don’t trust him, they resent that he somehow feels he “deserves” to be President and they really wish he would just GO AWAY.

He’s another McCain-Dole choice. How well has THAT worked for us in the past?

Newt has a lot of baggage, and he’s certainly not my first choice, but once I get past the distaste of having to consider him at all, I do find things about him that I can appreciate and agree with. He does have the ability to excite the voters and he can motivate them.

A lot would depend on his running mate. If he chose Cain or Palin, I think he could get enormous traction, generate huge excitement and, providing he doesn’t stick his foot in his mouth up to his kneecap (a possibility, I admit), he could blast Obama all the way to Kenya.


26 posted on 12/11/2011 2:25:11 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: MNJohnnie

You are my hero.


27 posted on 12/11/2011 2:27:41 PM PST by Grunthor (We don’t LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: VC2012

GFYerslf....

and buy bye


28 posted on 12/11/2011 2:30:25 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: VC2012

fubo will destroy this country.... mcromney will destroy this country... they are one and the same, the only difference is mcromney puts an r after his name... if the next president wants to destroy this country, then let it be fubo... at least we can get him impeached in the first year of his second term... get the tea partiers in the house and senate, and he or his minions will be kept in check....


29 posted on 12/11/2011 2:32:42 PM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: MNJohnnie

hey! i wuz gonna post dat!

LOL


30 posted on 12/11/2011 2:32:56 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ronin

“A lot would depend on his running mate. If he chose Cain or Palin, I think he could get enormous traction, generate huge excitement and ...”

Howsabout Jindal, Rubio or Ryan? That would be excitement and traction.


31 posted on 12/11/2011 2:38:40 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: rdl6989

Yup, and VC2012 was sitting in the top of the tree.


32 posted on 12/11/2011 2:46:07 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Old Sarge

The Paultards and Mittbots are on some strong drugs.


33 posted on 12/11/2011 2:48:43 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Give it to him again, Jim! HARDER.


34 posted on 12/11/2011 2:51:09 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (To Obama, bipartisanship is giving the opposition the opportunity to do as they are told. (WGensert))
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To: Belteshazzar

Rubio possibly — but he has constitutional issues.

Jindal or Ryan? I don’t know enough about them to even hazard a guess. And that’s a problem. If he gets the nomination, whoever Newt selects is going to have to be a “known brand”.

Cain and Palin already have huge followings and immense name recognition.


35 posted on 12/11/2011 2:52:17 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Jim Robinson
What's a “2nd account ZOT” and hoe does it differ from the regular one? And, if ZOTTED at all, why would one still have posting privileges?

Sometimes the subtleties escape me.

36 posted on 12/11/2011 3:00:56 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Old Sarge
The Paultards andf Mittbots are coming out of the walls this afternoon.

This one has another account.

37 posted on 12/11/2011 3:13:32 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: VC2012

The author has it wrong. If conservatives allow Romney to get the nomination, we will get NOTHING but Romneys shoved at us each time.

By the way. Condescending snottiness neither wins friends nor influences people.


38 posted on 12/11/2011 3:22:26 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Plenty of early Christmas chow for the VKs.

And as appealing as regifted fruitcake.

39 posted on 12/11/2011 3:27:03 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: VC2012
But Romney is no secret liberal.

You're right about that. Nothing secret about it.

40 posted on 12/11/2011 3:36:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: MNJohnnie

I love your rant. It is extremely well-written. I didn’t at first realize who you were directing it to and thought your target was Chris Matthews. A little less circumlocution next time please.


41 posted on 12/11/2011 3:40:14 PM PST by firefox ((Vote Democrat...Its Easier Than Thinking!))
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To: MNJohnnie

In actuality, it was the text of your post that was stolen and will be used repeatedly in the future without any accreditation to the original source, but you know what I mean...:)

42 posted on 12/11/2011 6:16:49 PM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: rlmorel
Thanks, very informative. ANd the flashing is so... ah, groovy!


43 posted on 12/11/2011 6:19:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Hah, glad you liked it, RC...:)

I can still use that one. I have been forbidden from posting the flashing graphic the tells a poster they deserve a seizure for their post, because it apparently can give people seizures...


44 posted on 12/11/2011 7:01:30 PM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: rlmorel

Ah, I’d love to see that one. Everyone needs a good seizure every once in a while!


45 posted on 12/11/2011 7:07:14 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I’d post it, but it makes ME feel like a seizure is coming on just posting it...


46 posted on 12/11/2011 7:11:57 PM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: Old Sarge

You’re the graphics and gifs champion, Sarge! That’s a great one!


47 posted on 12/11/2011 7:19:36 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: VC2012; rabscuttle385; Jim Thompson; 50mm; Old Sarge; darkwing104; stephenjohnbanker; SunkenCiv; ...


So long, VC2012 (Posting History)

Hat Tip to rabscuttle385, 50mm, Old Sarge, and Jim Thompson

Retread attempts to post from two accounts and has one thrown into a lightning storm by The Man Himself





One account per FReeper - It's the FR Law


Thank you JoeProBono

FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

48 posted on 12/11/2011 7:31:05 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TheOldLady

Oooo...raining fire from heaven!

Lots of these lately! Crazy times! :)


49 posted on 12/11/2011 7:35:52 PM PST by LUV W (This tagline reserved for a hero.......)
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To: TheOldLady; VC2012
Another one bites the dust


50 posted on 12/11/2011 7:40:09 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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