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Posted on 12/11/2011 8:19:37 PM PST by Kevmo
The Ascendancy of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions
December 9, 2011 |
Brian Wang put up two posts today [(1) + (2)] that link to what should seen as seminal events in the basic view of LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). Time passing as more hard credence evolves into research and the results, will show us which of the various physics are the activities of nature in LENR. The progress cannot come fast enough .
Piantelli's LENR Experiment Apparatus. Click image for the largest view .
As the technology sits today The Rossi E-Cat is in production facility exploration. Blacklight is making presales, The Australian hint of a technology is said to be nearing a prototype. Many others are closing in on solidifying their ideas into consistency and reliable energy release. Its a seminal period that looks to be far past the notion LENR is mental magic .
Mr. Wangs first post offers us the slides that Brian Ahern would have used if he had been able to do his presentation at Citi5. Running 16 pages the slides offer a set of clues on what would have been a marvelous overview on Aherns understanding of the physics. While incomplete as a lesson, a text or audio would be appreciated with gratitude. But its a gift for now and seed for thought .
The second post noted above links to a report and slides from a NASA LENR workshop held in Cleveland. The striking comments center on Dennis Bushnell the chief scientist at NASA Langley. Then as one goes through the page written by the heavily biased Steven Krivit, a laundry list of troubles from unidentified sources involving the NASA review with Rossi are presented .
But the Krivit page links to the presentation slides of Bushnell, NASA scientists Michael Nelson and Joseph Zawodny .
Wow. The Zawodny slides are a short review of the technology, an organizational chart and a short list of the engineering needed to take LENR one more step closer. The prime notation might be slide 30, pointing up the need to engineer both the composition and structure of reactor materials .
Zawodny also offers us an informative slide worthy of long term and widespread dissemination. Simply put, chemical energy release compared to fission nuclear = 1:1,900,000 ; fusion nuclear = 1:7,300,000 ; LENR = 1:8,000,000. This clears up why the non-mainstream physicists and the followers are so tenacious on staying with the technology until it become useful. Thank you Mr. Zawodny .
Michael Nelson has a very different perspective. The Nelson slide set covers his take of the late news about Rossis E-Cat, discloses, without naming the NASA personnel meeting with Rossi back in July, and what one presumes to be allowed, in a very likely nondisclosure agreement, public information. It clears up a lot of supposition and Nelson includes better graphics than seen anywhere else with solid credibility .
Nelson spends some pages considering the premise is the phenomena cold fusion or LENR. While the consideration of the titling is entertaining, its nothing more than a waste of time, energy and emotions that should embarrass everyone involved. Yet Nelson offers a succinct and practical view of Rossi and the E-Cat, offering a conclusion that Rossi merits watching and attention .
Nelson also offers us the best tight overview of the Piantelli research that Rossi seems to have used as his preamble for his development. With superb graphics and explanations and a history to lead off, the segment sets up a comparison between where Piantellis work is and where Rossi takes the technology. At page 34 the variances known to date are listed .
Finishing up Nelson explains quite briefly why LENR can be so very important and sets out a sensible set of steps that NASA could adopt to integrate the technology into future plans. The slide set ends with web links and a synopsis of LENR history .
Bushnell takes a fully responsible view, which one expects from a chief scientist, and gets straight to the State of the Art. His view with 20 years of accumulating data, Rossi nearing a breakout to commercial, his man Zawodny working to zero in on theory to optimize engineering bring discipline to the science. Bushnell comes to the point that experimentation is needed to promote creative thinking. This technology is at its beginning and needs optimization at the most basic level .
Without saying so, Bushnell reveals NASA has looked into the numbers. LENR offers some astonishing potential. While most folks are bedeviled by the cold fusion, LENR titling, where to look for theory or lay credit for progress and discovery and the rest of the human psychological needs and the opponents throwing disinformation, Bushnell comes straight to the point LENR offers a massive shift in power to weight ratios for energized work .
The power to weight ratio comes from the huge reduction in the fuel weight and the power plant. As Zawodny and Nelson point out too, the applications can run from agriculture up to space exploration. Such massive reductions offer calculations where fuel is a negligible portion of weight and cost something opposite from the situation today .
Bushnell offers several pages of comments. While the emotions are busily steaming on many fronts, Bushnell says right on point, The two decades of experiments and the weak interaction theories have removed the existential risk, what is remaining is to engineer for improved performance.
The NASA men make a seminal point. LENR (or cold fusion, if one isnt too specific on linking the phenomena to word definitions) works. LENR is a massive improvement that deserves our intense attention, the best creativity, intuition and insight we can muster .
So far a determined group has taken an over 90 year old phenomena to the breakout point. Instead of exploiting our intellect and making the science become fruitful, most people are soaked in emotion and childish conduct while one of historys great technologies languishes. Its a humiliating embarrassment .
For now were being pulled along by a revolt of independent thought, research and now a commercial attempt. The technological mountain is unassailably there; its time to climb, mine and develop .
Rossi deserves a note. Observation is telling us Mr. Rossi has innovated Piantellis work with a Thomas Edison like will and found a shortcut with a catalyst to get things going, his place in history is assured. Whether he can keep his lead as others find the theories to guide engineering is yet to be seen, but for now if even just one sale is running excess power- the rush will be on .
We will see a major change in viewing energy for personal use. Fusion from Lerner or Bussard or others, fission in smaller lower cost reactors, and there is still is huge supply of fossil sources to use and technologies coming to supplant and replace it are coming. If governments can wake up or populations bear upon them we could see a race to the lowest possible cost for energy and another long term boom in human social and economic development reaching to everyone for the first time .
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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because hes such a fine fellow,
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you cant lift the carpet!) ]
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out
then, yes, all bets are off and Im with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
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If Rossi does anything else, I hope he’ll make the scientific and business world in to adequately research the entire topic.
He'll be keeping prosecutors and other lawyers employed.
Two scams and a scam prototype.
Many others are closing in on solidifying their ideas into consistency and reliable energy release.
They are solidifying ideas to consistently and reliably release money from the gullible and greedy.
Its a seminal period that looks to be far past the notion LENR is mental magic .
It's gone from bad science to bad crime.
The whole thing is starting to move beyond Rossi. That’s the whole point of this article. Don’t really understand your fixation.
As I thought, it’s not about Rossi, it’s about LENR in general.
Your non-scientific retorts aren’t those of a skeptic but a scam artist.
What are you selling?
“The seagull dumps, but the 18-wheeler passes”.
Actually, the seagull crowd's retorts "do" fit a particular type of skeptic.....the pathological ones.
If it actually works, it would be a world-changing thing for the military. For example, fuel in Afghanistan has to be transported by truck over hazardous terrain, resulting in a cost of over $100/gallon.
Impress me with calculated reaction rates and matching observed energy output.
Scientists have been doing it for over 50 years with muon catalyzed cold fusion.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse takes the cheese.
Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.
Certainly in Laredo it is. Rossi continues to astound even the professional debunkers crouching in their basements. How does he do it? Some kinda divine intervention??
This will be my standard post to moonboy that says youre not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says buzz off & doesnt leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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The only thing that astounds me about Rossi is how he continues to scam the gullible.
Fraud is fraud. It’s especially egregious if it’s scientific fraud, a la Rossi.
Your non-scientific retorts arent those of a skeptic but a scam artist.
What are you selling?
Truly, I have been trying to figure out the same thing about Moonman62. Or does he know Rossi personally and hate him or something?