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To: GJones2

You have to make a choice.

Are you let them hide behind the very freedoms they seek to deny you? Because that is certainly their plan.

At the very least, you need force them between between leaving or converting.


23 posted on 12/12/2011 1:31:39 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

[Sorry for the length of my posts. I lack the ability to answer difficult questions in just a few words.]

> You have to make a choice. Are you let them hide behind the very freedoms they seek to deny you? At the very least, you need force them between between leaving or converting.<

Giving in to them or exterminating them are not the only choices (that was the point of my earlier post). I agree that it was a mistake for the UK to accept as citizens large numbers of immigrants who support sharia law. Now that they’re there, though, British “freedoms” don’t give them the authority to impose that law. That in itself is a violation of British freedom.

To the degree that immigrants support that they should be opposed by whatever means are needed to resist the threat. If I were British, and it came to a choice between accepting sharia law and fighting a civil war, I’d choose war (even then I’d strive to avoid harming non-combatants as much as possible). That stage has not been reached yet, though, and let’s hope it never comes.

Because many on the European left have become apologists for the Islamists I’m not very optimistic. Eventually, though, I expect most will see that Islamists are a real threat to freedoms that they too enjoy. (The murders of film producers and that sort of thing may in time get through to them.) I hope it will be before those countries suffer worse consequences than they have already.


26 posted on 12/12/2011 5:49:49 PM PST by GJones2 (Rhetoric that uses the word "exterminate")
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To: Little Ray

Islamist fanaticism is strong now, but Islam has been around for a long time without succeeding in imposing its laws on the entire world. There’s much in modern civilization that serves to oppose it (also numbers alone in the Americas, China, Japan, and many other countries mean that they aren’t likely to turn Muslim in the foreseeable future).

I’m more concerned about the threat of nuclear terrorism from a relatively small number of fanatic Islamists. In the long run — if there is a long run — I don’t think radical Islamists will win out despite the inroads they’re making in Europe, and the growth of their population. I’m sure that many Muslims too would prefer to live relatively normal lives and to be free. It takes courage, though, to openly defy Islamists when you live among them. Only when very large numbers act at one time is doing so an acceptable risk for most persons.

Half a millennium ago European Christians were split into Catholics and Protestants, and killing each other in great numbers. They too had oppressive laws, and killed heretics and suspected “witches” by the thousands. (All peoples are inclined at times to act like savages.) Gradually that changed. It can happen to Muslims too. There have been periods in Muslim history when there were regimes that were relatively tolerant (at least in the context of an intolerant time). I’m hoping it won’t take another five hundred years for this radical surge to subside. I’m old and can’t wait that long. :-)


27 posted on 12/12/2011 5:53:07 PM PST by GJones2 (Rhetoric that uses the word "exterminate")
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