> It is far better, and more ethical, to convert, expel, or kill the heathen than it is to let them bring war to your home.
“Bring”? The topic of this thread is the Muslims already in the UK. I agree about taking the war to your enemies. If “heathen” includes all persons who aren’t practicing Christians, though, I suspect that would include more than half the non-Muslim British (and despite nominal affiliation more than half the Americans — a very large percentage, anyway).
I oppose using force to compel anyone to convert to a religion. Christians too may recall that preaching rather than force was the New Testament way of acquiring converts. Those who try to kill the “heathen” of either the UK or the United States — simply because they are heathen — will rightly be regarded as enemies of modern civilization, fanatical extremists who represent only a small percentage of the population.
If Muslims choose to become Christians, though, or to reduce the extremity of their Islamic beliefs to such a degree that they can integrate into European society, that’s certainly preferable to civil war. Neither am I opposed to expelling immigrants who demonstrate that they won’t accept the standards of tolerance of a free society (and that includes intolerant Christians :-).
I’d support civil war only as a last resort, if the alternative were submission to sharia law. Likewise I’d favor fighting against a non-Muslim government that tries to exterminate an entire people. I oppose fanatics who wish to take away our freedom, whatever the religion (or whatever the non-religious ideology).
Have it your way. You have basically said that you’ll let them stay there, establish support, and only fight when, at the time of their own choosing, they attempt to force unacceptable change upon you. You’re not going to win if you start only fighting at the time they choose for you.
My stance is, that change should be forced upon them, now, and, if they don’t accept it, they be asked to leave; if they refuse, then they need to be expelled or destroyed.
As a Christian, I’m not particularly happy with the idea of forced conversion, either. But it is a useful tool. If they convert, they’re anathema to the rest of Islam - subject to being killed by any “good” Muslim. I don’t care what they covert to, thought, naturally, Christianity would be best for them.
In any case, I’m politically and culturally intolerant, not racially or religiously.