Posted on 12/12/2011 9:09:39 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
when you're talking about Glenn Beck now he actually, the other day, called you a progressive on FOX Business channel. What do you say to that sort of claim?"
Gingrich: "I don't know. It depends on what standard you're using, you know? The fact is I balanced the budget for four consecutive years. And we did so by cutting taxes and increasing employment so people went back to work, they left welfare, they left food stamps, they left unemployment, they left Medicaid. Who else has that record of achievement? I worked with Reagan in '79, '80. I worked with Reagan in defeating the Soviet Empire. I think those are relatively conservative credentials."
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
I actually like a lot of Paul’s ideas & thoughts. However, his followers are so rabid & so determined to use any means, whether ethical or not, that I’m just completely turned off by the man.
I’ll vote for the man if he wins the nomination (not likely) but it won’t be fun walking by the loons that support him.
His accomplishments speak for themselves. Cutting taxes, cutting the deficit, balancing the budget, reducing unemployment, blocking socialist programs, etc, are all conservative accomplishments and are all things we desperately need to do today!
Yes, by Newt's own admission:
Teddy Roosevelt was not a conservative, and Alexander Hamilton was a monarchist and proponent of Big Government.
Newt is a progressive republican. Deal with it. His actions and words in recent years show he is a progressive republican. He is not a conservative.
Oh come on - that was a loaded question - NOT denying something is NOT affirming the statement to be true. If he was a real “progressive”, the MSM would be pushing him.
Hard to do when he admitted he was a Teddy Roosevelt Progressive, he just haggled on which era of Teddy's presidency his philosophy rightly belonged in.
Strange, I agree that Newt effectively affirmed Beck's assertion with his response.
“Newt is a progressive republican. Deal with it.”
Newt will win the nomination. Deal with that.
If Newt is a progressive.
Romney is a Socialist.
...and Obama is a communist.
So, you prefer the Socialist or the Communist?
I was listening this morning when Beck called Newt a progressive and either shortly before or shortly after said that if he had to vote “TODAY” he’d vote for Romney.
Now how in the hell does THAT makes ANY sense?
I agree. It wasn’t until I actually researched Teddy Roosevelt, a progressive, that I realized how much I did not like the man’s politics. He is nearly as responsible as FDR and Woodrow Wilson for the mess we are in today. Republican ‘progressives’ are the doormen of the devil that is our modern left. They make possible what the left by itself could never accomplish on its own.
“Now how in the hell does THAT makes ANY sense?”
Yeah Beck is a hypocrite. He sees all of these flaws with each conservative, but Romney is just fine.
He is supporting Romney because he is a Mormon.
It’s just as simple as that.
You lie! He has done no such thing.
I shouldn’t have used the word Perrybot cuz that caused my comment to be misunderstood.
I meant to say that I am impressed with Rick lately, unhappy with the others and looking for Perry fans on FR. That’s all.
Reviewing your recent posting history all it is comprised of is negative attacks.
If not Newt who then? And why?
Hmm. Three hours and no response? Perhaps “half” hasn’t made up his mind whom to support in this nomination process.....and just finds it much more fun and easy to attack, rather than to support.
You’re right, dangus. I overreacted without having proof.
The word progressive makes me batty.
Try listening to complete sentences. He said if it came down to Obama or Romney he would vote for Romney, and I would bet that most freepers would do exactly that, just like we did for McCain.
up on Drudge ...Beck says he’d consider voting Ron Paul in 3rd party over Gingrich...this guy has lost his damn fool mind
understood it was a shorthand way to make your point, and to be honest, it might look like I directed that disclaimer comment to you, but I was raally disclaiming it to annoy those who namecall like that.
We are still here. We don’t infest other threads very much compared to how many of us are on pro Perry threads.
But I, for one, do occasionally drop by other threads.
“He is supporting Romney because he is a Mormon.”
I have yet to meet anyone that supports Romney that is not a Mormon. It;s all hypocritical. If you took Romneys’ flips and flops and issues positions then and now, and attached them to any other candidate....no Mormon would support them.
This and the penchant they have for calling themselves “Christian” are about the only things that really bug me about the Mormons.
You can put me on a Perry ping list if there is one.
Newt’s reply was GREAT!
The tag of “progressive” has been hijacked by the left and ignores its true meaning:
“Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods”
Progress is whatever the speaker wants it to be. Moving toward tradition values is progress to most of us here at FR.
And, Beck jumped the shark when he left Fox and became Romney’s surrogate.
We are in this together, folks....
“tradition” should be “traditional”
Sorry.
I know it looks like he will win the nomination. And the conservative base will vote third party or stay home. 4 more years of Obama.
Conservatives are tired of being told to roll over for these weak, progressive and lame candidates. This is the GOPs last chance to save country and party. A tsunami is coming and they will be swept away simply because they elect to support progressive and big government ideas. NO MORE.
Beck has carved out an anti Republican, anti Democrat niche. Over a period of time. He’s being consistent with that.
He thinks Newt is a Progressive at heart and thinks Paul isn’t, although he disagrees with Paul on several issues.
This says he would consider it. Not he would do it.
For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t vote for Paul under any conceivable scenario...
I don’t have the ping list but will see to it that you get with who does have it.
Beck is not supporting Romney. This is an out and out lie.
Beck wants the most conservative available. He is leaning bachman and santorum right now. He is against romney,, Perry and newt because they are all establishment republicans that have or are supporting radical left wing agendas in one form or another.
“And the conservative base will vote third party or stay home. 4 more years of Obama.”
WRONG.
Conservatives will vote for Gingrich because he is a conservative, albeit a flawed one.
The only people who will stay home will be the 1% of Third Party people and about 2-3% (about half) of the Paulists. Some of them are sane and will vote Gingrich, knowing that a vote for Paul is putting Obama in.
Agreed! The pro-Newt crowd is pretty ruthless here in its defense of him and their unashamed ability to throw venom at those who don’t like him. Beck’s reasoning is off but he’s right in the fact that Newt is no conservative. Someone who says that free speech should be curtailed to protect the people is not a conservative.
Newt is a progressive he is not conservative. I just don’t understand why many of FR care not to see what is plainly in their sight. You people need to open your eyes and quite playing politics.
Even if newt beat Obama our country will fail under his leadership. The time for electing republicans simply because they are Republicans is not good enough anymore. We need solid social and economic conservatives that support the founding fathers principles and our constitution. A slight tick right won’t help us when the left has dragged us so far to the left. Newt already said he would support parts of Obama’s health plan and if we don’t eliminate that whole thing we are totally screwed right out the gate.
Great, I can vote for the Progressive Obama or the Progressive Grinch.
Deck is fully stacked, have a happy voting day.
Progressives are traitors and should be run out of the country for the damage they have done. Anybody that likes the idea of a New World Order is a progressive traitor. Republican and Democrat mean pretty much nothing these days. One party is Marxist Mafia goons trying to destroy the Constitution, the other is Congressional Mafia goons trying to do the same.
Gingrich is the last conservative standing.
Only he and Romney are left...you support Romney?
I didn’t for McCain, I won’t for Romney.
You mean he and romney are the last two progressives standing? I see two real conservatives in the race and its not newt and its not Romney or Perry.
George W Bush is more conservative than newt and that’s not saying much.
I don't like the current situation at all. I'm not a fan of the current front runners
I do know this however. Obama CANNOT be allowed 4 more years.
Conservatives, the left has destroyed our best hopes. We have lost that battle for now. We must NOT also lose the war.
Goal number 1 - defeat Obama. Fix the rest later.
Gingrich will collapse once he gets the nomination. That’s just the way it is.
You’re an ankle biter, but you won’t say who you support...
You a Romney supporter or a Paulist nut?
What hubris! Newt taking credit for all of Reagan’s achievements.
The man is a megalomaniac.
I am leaning towards michelle bachman right now. But it really doesn’t matter. I want to support the most conservative candidate out there and newt is not that person.
Not sure how you think I support romney, the man also a progressive republican and I don’t support progressive republicans.
I saw this same crap 3 years ago with McCain. I came out against him here and i will come out against those like him here every time. Newt is no better and he wo rks with the other side when it helps his cause.
“Newt taking credit for all of Reagan’s achievements.”
Umm No. He never said any such thing lol.
He’s talking about his achievements as Speaker, where he balanced the budget, got limited tax cuts from Clinton, welfare to workfare, etc.
Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming into all of that stuff, but the GOP got it done with Gingrich as Speaker.
Newt the Flip-Flopper:
Five months after refusing to sign an Iowa conservative group’s controversial “Marriage Vow,” GOP presidential front-runner Newt Gingrich has endorsed the pledge by promising to push a sweeping conservative social agenda, Politico reported.
In a lengthy email to the group, The Family Leader, Gingrich vowed to fight for a host of key right wing issues, including a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage and a Reagan-era policy that would stop tax dollars from funding abortions overseas.
The former House Speaker also vowed to remain faithful to his wife, Callista.
“I also pledge to uphold the institution of marriage through personal fidelity to my spouse and respect for the marital bonds of others,” Gingrich said in the message.
Wow! Powerful! And every word is true.
Lesser of two evils.
“Your use of half-truths is a clear indication that you are either another spoiled crybaby Conservative, “Oh Waaaaa. That candidate is not conservative ENOUGH!” or a DU troll who wants us to ignore the record.”
When Newt loses to Obama, which he will if nominated, there will be only one difference between those of us who opposed his candidacy and those of you who supported it. WE will still have our integrity.
Um, no. That's not what progressives mean by progressivism. Progressivism fundimentally is utopianism at its core and developed from the idea of Social Darwinism -- that man would evolve into a more civilized being through social pressures. Progressives took it a step further: Why wait? Why not force "progress"? The end of this is, obviously, concentration camps and gas chambers.
No, you will be the same loser-troll you are now.
Unlike the other ankle biters, you at least have the courage to state who you support.
Having said that, Santorum doesn’t even have the political acumen, at 3% of the vote, to stop attacking his old friend Gingrich. Being from Pa., he would have at least been given a shot to be a VP...but now he is just politically dead.
Beck is saying that there’s no difference between Obama and Newt—and has thus passed into dickweed territory as far as I’m concerned.
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