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National Gun Rights org says Newt's a Gun Grabber - vanity
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Posted on 12/12/2011 10:51:46 AM PST by Westbrook

I just got a phone call from the folks at http://www.nationalgunrights.org/

They are saying Newt is a gun-grabber.

Have a look at this. http://www.nationalgunrights.org/he-wants-your-thumbprint/

Does not sound very conservative to me.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; dailykosposters; elections; gingrich; guns

1 posted on 12/12/2011 10:52:00 AM PST by Westbrook
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To: Westbrook
come on!! he has flip flopped..i mean evolved his position
2 posted on 12/12/2011 10:56:09 AM PST by skaterboy (Hate=Love....Love=Hate)
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To: Westbrook

No doubt about it Newt is a sneaky rascal... ask his wives..
Take any issue.. Newts got at least 3 or 4 positions on it..


3 posted on 12/12/2011 10:57:57 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Westbrook
Oh Puhleeze -

Don't you Perrybots ever sleep? Gingrich as so far from a "gungrabber" as possible.

So, who are ya going to vote for - Obama?

4 posted on 12/12/2011 10:58:45 AM PST by Chainmail
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To: Westbrook
Gingrich has an A rating with the NRA and unequivocally supports gun rights and has a long track record to prove it. He has spoken at the NRA to members about protecting responsible gun owner's rights and gave a brief history of exactly why gun rights are so essential.
5 posted on 12/12/2011 10:59:57 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Westbrook
Newt is not a A++ Gun protector but here is his stance (head and shoulders above Romney)

http://www.newt.org/solutions/second-amendment

6 posted on 12/12/2011 11:01:45 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Westbrook

Your posts are making you look bad.
Newt is not perfect, but this is just nuts.

Newt became Speaker, in large measure, in due to gun owners’ revolt against Clinton!


7 posted on 12/12/2011 11:03:55 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Westbrook

Since newt is a progressive... he sounds progressive. newt is a progressive and no amount of spin or rationalization will change that. The republicans are going to annoint a progressive candidate... which one will you vote for?

LLS


8 posted on 12/12/2011 11:07:41 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Westbrook
WHATS IMPORTANT "IS"...

What will a strong conservative Congress allow him to get away with?..
As Glen Beck says.. (and proves) Newt is a "PROGRESSIVE".. Like the Clintoons, Obama, and YES->.. George Bush.. (both of them)

America does NOT really WANT the ONLY conservative candidate (M. Bachmann).. or the very white and waspy Santorum..

9 posted on 12/12/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Westbrook

YOU’RE A NEWT HATER! <\SARCASM>


10 posted on 12/12/2011 11:09:15 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: hosepipe
waspy Santorum Santorum, waspy? How in the world did you get that? First of all, he's a Catholic. Secondly, his father was an immigrant from Italy.His mother was half Irish and half Italian. What part of that is waspy??
11 posted on 12/12/2011 11:13:39 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Westbrook

Newt Gingrich’s record disturbing to home state gun owners
Georgia gun owners long aware of Newt’s anti-gun record

Kennesaw, GA – The 6,000 members and supporters of the premier grassroots gun rights group in Georgia, Georgia Gun Owners, began buzzing the phone lines of the Newt 2012 Iowa campaign headquarters (515-468-9225) demanding Mr. Gingrich apologize to gun owners for his more than two-decade history of supporting gun control.

“Georgia Gun Owners knows Newt’s history of gun control. He represented parts of our state for 20 years. He’s been playing both sides of the gun issue as long as we can remember.

Take a look at the Marietta (GA) Daily Journal from September 16, 1996. The headline is ‘Gingrich supports gun ban.’ I remember Newt’s betrayal of gun owners back in the 90s like it was yesterday,” said D.R. Leonard, Political Director of Georgia Gun Owners.

While Newt used the institutional gun lobby as a mouthpiece to convince millions of gun owners nationwide that “as long as he is Speaker, no gun-control legislation is going to move in committee or on the House floor,” he was working behind the scenes to pass gun control.

In 1996, Newt Gingrich turned his back on gun owners and voted for the anti-gun Brady Campaign’s Lautenberg Gun Ban, which strips the Second Amendment rights of citizens involved in misdemeanor domestic violence charges or temporary protection orders — in some cases for actions as minor as spanking a child.

Gingrich also stood shoulder to shoulder with Nancy Pelosi to pass the “Criminal Safezones Act” which prevents armed citizens from defending themselves in certain arbitrary locations. Virtually all Americans know that Criminal Safezones don’t protect law-abiding citizens, but actually protect the criminals who ignore them.

“But the biggest knife that Newt plunged into the back of all Americans and gun owners who wish to defend themselves and their families, was his coming out in support of a national thumbprint database for gun owners,” said Mr. Leonard.

“I think we prefer to go to instant check on an immediate basis and try to accelerate implementing instant checks so that you could literally check by thumbprint… Instant check is a much better system than the Brady process.” — Newt Gingrich, June 27, 1997

“Newt Gingrich is no friend of gun owners. I wish Georgia Gun Owners had a mountaintop to scream this information from. We just want like-minded voters in early primary states like Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina to be aware of this.

Newt is trying really hard to play both sides of the Second Amendment. He’s a professional politician. But as the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. It’s in his record. His own words and votes. He’s a danger to our Second Amendment rights and privacy. The members of Georgia Gun Owners know this. We want ALL Americans to know this as well,” said Mr. Leonard, Political Director of Georgia Gun Owners.

For more information about Newt’s anti-gun record, please contact Ashley Rodriguez:

ashley.r@georgiagunowners.com

http://www.fitsnews.com/2011/12/05/georgia-gun-owners-blast-newt-gingrich/


12 posted on 12/12/2011 11:13:47 AM PST by justsaynomore
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To: Kansas58

Yeah and that NATIONAL ID card was a really great solution to the illegal problem wasn’t it.

Rockefeller Republican RINO


13 posted on 12/12/2011 11:17:12 AM PST by marty60
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To: Chainmail

> Don’t you Perrybots ever sleep?

I am not a Perrybot.

I was a contributor to, and supporter of, Herman Cain.

I will probably abstain from voting in the primary.

I will vote AGAINST 0bama0 in the general election.

I don’t expect to see the country turned around if Gingrich wins. Maybe the decay will be slowed a bit, but certainly not stopped.


14 posted on 12/12/2011 11:17:12 AM PST by Westbrook
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To: Westbrook
Sure, let's all take hearsay and smear it all over as if it's a fact.

There is so much to the story that you are leaving out. But it looks better to you to warp and twist it, to suit your agenda. Therefore, you are no different than the Democrats and the MSM.

Enjoy your rule under another Obama term, or just as bad, ROMNEY. Not to mention. the DNC thanks you for all the help you are giving them.

15 posted on 12/12/2011 11:18:25 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
There is so much to the story that you are leaving out. But it looks better to you to warp and twist it, to suit your agenda. Therefore, you are no different than the Democrats and the MSM.

So enlighten us, what was possibly left out that would refute what was in the story?
16 posted on 12/12/2011 11:21:19 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Chainmail

I do not support ANY of the current candidates... but newt voted for the Brady Bill and was in support of the Lautenberg bill requiring almost any infraction of the law as disqualifying a citizen from their 2nd Amendment Right to KEEP and BEAR arms. newt is a progressive and if you support him... that fact cannot be spun away.

LLS


17 posted on 12/12/2011 11:23:51 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: nickcarraway

[ waspy Santorum Santorum, waspy? How in the world did you get that? First of all, he’s a Catholic. Secondly, his father was an immigrant from Italy.His mother was half Irish and half Italian. What part of that is waspy?? ]

He looks waspy.. all white and everything.. waspy meaning “christian” not protestant..

Even though all roman catholics are not catholics..
some are secularists masked as catholics.. like the Kennedys.. and fully half at least of Massachusetts..

Could be and probably is not all catholics in the Vatican are “catholics”.. in the same way..

But according to my research ALL protestants consider themselves “catholics”.. just not roman catholics..

Still is true however anyway.. not all catholics are catholics.. of whatever brand..


18 posted on 12/12/2011 11:24:58 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: marty60

You have no clue who I am.

Have you ever worked on a winning election campaign for anyone?

You really do not understand how the system works, and you really should try to be more honest with your posts, if you want anyone to respect you.

I have more battle scars from liberals than you could ever imagine. I have earned my right to call you out as being unreasonable and self-centered.


19 posted on 12/12/2011 11:25:29 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Westbrook

If Newt did or did not speak for or against anything is not what concerns me.

Newt’s problem is that he is all over the map - you never know when he’s going to slip a cog and go roaring off in a strange direction.
Sooner or later he returns to his quasi-conservative persona and tells us he made a foolish mistake. But what he does in the interim can be damaging.

Just imagine he was president when he had his attack of Cap-N’-Trade virus and he and Nancy were playing around on the sofa.
He would have signed anything into law that Pelosi wanted.


20 posted on 12/12/2011 11:27:44 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Kansas58

Good grief, must have hit a raw nerve.


21 posted on 12/12/2011 11:30:10 AM PST by marty60
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To: Westbrook
I was unimpressed with the site's presentation. This guy claims to have spent 20 years in the movement. I've spent 10 years on the inside and followed the issue closely since 93, and managed to get a good BS detector.

Where was that quote from? I know Newt supported instacheck, but where was his quote on the thumbprint. What was the context?

That aside. The climate in 1997 was much different for gun owners than today. Momentum was still with the anti's some with a big CCW defeat in Missouri and anti-gun gains on the coasts. 1993 was anti's best year. 1994 was a comeback. 1995 shifted attitudes against us thanks to OKC. 1996 Clinton won again. Stalemate for awhile. Gore's loss turned it back our way.

Do I think Newt's a good friend of gun owners? No more or less than Bush. They aren't true believers but may go our way. He's better than Romney. He's not Perry or Ron Paul on this issue.

22 posted on 12/12/2011 11:31:37 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: Servant of the Cross
newt voted for the Brady Bill and the Lautenberg bill and that makes him anti gun to me. The NRA endorsed harry reid and donated $5,000.00 to his reelection campaign... so remember that when you reference NRA support.

LLS

23 posted on 12/12/2011 11:32:28 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Some of us still judge a man by his deeds, not his words. Newt can’t separate himself from his record.


24 posted on 12/12/2011 11:38:02 AM PST by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I can’t confirm that Gingrich supported any of that fascist garbage but I can tell you for certain that he’s far and away better than Obama.


25 posted on 12/12/2011 11:38:13 AM PST by Chainmail
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To: Noumenon

I judge the man by his past and his present and what he intends to do in the future... and he fails on all three tests.

LLS


26 posted on 12/12/2011 11:48:16 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Kansas58

Her is a little blip from 98. Notice the article doesn’t say she was dying. Just recovering. Yeah he’s a real gem.

During April 1980, Newt and Jackie separated. They divorced in February 1981.
“The most notorious incident in Gingrich’s marriage ... was when he cornered Jackie in her hospital room where she was recovering from uterine cancer surgery and insisted on discussing the terms of the divorce he was seeking. Shortly after that infamous encounter, Gingrich refused to pay his alimony and child-support payments. The First Baptist Church in his hometown had to take up a collection to support the family Gingrich had deserted. Six months after divorcing Jackie, Gingrich married a younger woman, Marianne, with whom he had been having an affair.”
Source: Stephen Talbot. “Newt’s Glass House.” Salon.com. 8/28/1998.


27 posted on 12/12/2011 11:49:55 AM PST by marty60
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yep - works that way for me, too.


28 posted on 12/12/2011 11:51:09 AM PST by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Chainmail
You could confirm all of this through House archives or just searching for newt's voting record. I agree that since obama is the worst president ever to infect the White House, newt would be better... but newt cannot be painted truthfully as a conservative... he is not a conservative and his rhetoric is not conservative and some of his votes were absolutely progressive in nature.

RUSH JUST THIS SECOND SAID, “newt had some home run answers in the debate... he quotes Reagan and says he is proudly a Reaganite (plays newt soundbite from debate)... but should I tell them Snurdley? Ok... ok... after the 2008 election... when the “Era of Reagan is over” chorus began... newt was there... he was among the first to sign on to it... I am just saying.”

LLS

29 posted on 12/12/2011 11:57:30 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Chainmail
You could confirm all of this through House archives or just searching for newt's voting record. I agree that since obama is the worst president ever to infect the White House, newt would be better... but newt cannot be painted truthfully as a conservative... he is not a conservative and his rhetoric is not conservative and some of his votes were absolutely progressive in nature.

RUSH JUST THIS SECOND SAID, “newt had some home run answers in the debate... he quotes Reagan and says he is proudly a Reaganite (plays newt soundbite from debate)... but should I tell them Snurdley? Ok... ok... after the 2008 election... when the “Era of Reagan is over” chorus began... newt was there... he was among the first to sign on to it... I am just saying.”

LLS

30 posted on 12/12/2011 11:57:40 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Chainmail
You could confirm all of this through House archives or just searching for newt's voting record. I agree that since obama is the worst president ever to infect the White House, newt would be better... but newt cannot be painted truthfully as a conservative... he is not a conservative and his rhetoric is not conservative and some of his votes were absolutely progressive in nature.

RUSH JUST THIS SECOND SAID, “newt had some home run answers in the debate... he quotes Reagan and says he is proudly a Reaganite (plays newt soundbite from debate)... but should I tell them Snurdley? Ok... ok... after the 2008 election... when the “Era of Reagan is over” chorus began... newt was there... he was among the first to sign on to it... I am just saying.”

LLS

31 posted on 12/12/2011 11:57:48 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: LibLieSlayer
RUSH JUST THIS SECOND SAID, “newt had some home run answers in the debate... he quotes Reagan and says he is proudly a Reaganite (plays newt soundbite from debate)... but should I tell them Snurdley? Ok... ok... after the 2008 election... when the “Era of Reagan is over” chorus began... newt was there... he was among the first to sign on to it... I am just saying.” LLS

That is true!

32 posted on 12/12/2011 11:59:23 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Osage Orange
Yep... I was listening live to Rush interview him in February 2009 when he said it... and Rush kicked his arse... and newt spun and then tried to “explain what he really meant”. That is newt... always crapping in the Conservative's mess kit and dumping sand on it and telling us that it is powdered sugar.

LLS

33 posted on 12/12/2011 12:07:18 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Westbrook

you daily kos guys are right.

Better to stick with Obama .


34 posted on 12/12/2011 12:59:39 PM PST by NoLibZone (Occupy- Proof we are right - They beg for retrun of morality that the left removed from society.)
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To: NoLibZone

> you daily kos guys are right.
>
> Better to stick with Obama

Yes, of course, we’re daily Kos because we don’t trust backstabbing gungrabbers.

That’s rich.

Enjoy your fantasy.

Newt’s about as conservative as George Bush the first.


35 posted on 12/12/2011 1:27:51 PM PST by Westbrook
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To: marty60
And do you wish to sit in judgment?

Do you know for sure the details of this relationship and if their was no fault on the wife's side, at all?

I do recall that King David had more than a few black marks in his record, yet God said he was “after His own heart”.

I do know that St. Paul was a tax collector and loyal Roman persecutor of Christians until his Road to Damascus conversion.

I do know that St. Jerome, who was essential to the translation of the Bible, struggled with many personal moral issues.

I know that Gingrich has faults. I also know that he would make a much better President than Obama.

36 posted on 12/12/2011 1:32:23 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: hosepipe

There is no such thing as a Catholic “WASP”

try again.


37 posted on 12/12/2011 1:34:40 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

[ There is no such thing as a Catholic “WASP” try again. ]

Obviously you have no idea of what “catholic” means.. Pity..
Both roman orthodox and protestants are “catholic” -OR-
Catholic does not mean catholic..


38 posted on 12/12/2011 2:20:11 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Kansas58

Give it a rest. This is about electing a man or woman to Lead this Nation.

We have LOST all sense of morality. Nothing is sacred any more. Marriage, children our fellow Americans and certainly the loss of respect for our constitution.

Newt is just another prostitute politician that will sell his soul for a vote. Newt learned from BJ. Keep your mouth shut about your morals of a feral cat and the idiot electorate will vote for you every time.


39 posted on 12/12/2011 2:47:02 PM PST by marty60
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To: hosepipe
You are being pedantic.

The term “WASP” means WHITE ANGLO SAXON PROTESTANT and the description would mean nothing if it did not indicate a distinction between Roman Catholic and Protestant.

You made a stupid mistake.

We all do it, at times.

Now be big enough to admit it, ok?

40 posted on 12/12/2011 3:39:36 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: marty60

Your house is on fire.
As the firemen come to put it out, do you ask:

“HAVE YOU KEPT ALL OF THE COMMANDMENTS?” Before you let them enter your home, to help you?

Yes, the situation we are in is VERY serious.

So serious that your personal faults and judmentalism must be exposed.

You are showing all of us YOUR faults.


41 posted on 12/12/2011 3:42:28 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Do you realize your posts make absolutely no sense?


42 posted on 12/12/2011 3:58:18 PM PST by marty60
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To: marty60

When I start using a yard stick to measure the temperature, I will start using you, to determine what makes sense.


43 posted on 12/12/2011 4:03:33 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Westbrook
Just curious, who exactly is Dudley Brown, who and what is the National Association for Gun Rights and more specifically, how long have they been in existence?

And last but not least, how much $$$ is he asking you to contribute to HIS cause?

So many questions, so little time........

44 posted on 12/12/2011 4:32:37 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: Kansas58

[ The term “WASP” means WHITE ANGLO SAXON PROTESTANT and the description would mean nothing if it did not indicate a distinction between Roman Catholic and Protestant. ]

Your protest is logged.. and is being graded..

I don’t protest your protest.. neither are protestants protesting anything.. that I can determine..

Protestant as a religious term may be an Oxymoron...
Catholic as a term just means “universal”...
The Roman Orthodox invented the term.. as a protest against others that ignored them..

So.... really its the roman orthodox that are protesting..
The Roman Orthodox protesting is really a Haiku sort of thing..
The truth has indeed got its twists and turns..


45 posted on 12/12/2011 4:59:10 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Despite all that.....

We apparently have two choices......

A glove or a salamander.

Which are you taking?

46 posted on 12/12/2011 5:18:18 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Osage Orange
I will choose in the privacy of the ballot box... while we still have a private ballot box... I will not vote for romney or newt however. Read Reagan's 1975 CPAC speech before you blame Conservatives that do not vote... I will vote... but it will only be for Conservative candidates. Reagan did not compel us to support the party regardless... he explained that the party is at fault when they blur the lines between dims and republicans so badly that there does not appear to be much difference between them... that we must FLY BOLD COLORS OF CONSERVATISM and EXPLAIN OUR IDEOLOGY TO AMERICANS THAT NEED EDUCATING. newt can't do it and the present republican party leadership refuses or is incapable of doing it as they are progressive to their core.

LLS

47 posted on 12/13/2011 4:48:08 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: nickcarraway

Well, if Bill Clinton could be the first Black president, Santorum can easily be “waspy”. ;-P


48 posted on 12/13/2011 5:56:08 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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