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Google chairman says online piracy bill would 'criminalize' the Internet
The Hill ^ | December 12, 2011 | Gautham Nagesh

Posted on 12/12/2011 4:09:06 PM PST by khnyny

An online piracy bill in the House would "criminalize linking and the fundamental structure of the Internet itself," according to Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt.

Schmidt said the controversial Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) would punish Web firms, including search engines, that link to foreign websites dedicated to online piracy. He said implementing the bill as written would effectively break the Internet.

"By criminalizing links, what these bills do is they force you to take content off the Internet," Schmidt said, calling it a form of censorship.

The search giant has been at the forefront of a tech industry backlash against the legislation from House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas).

"If Congress writes a bad law, we all suffer," Schmidt said.

He compared the proposal to the Web censorship practiced by repressive foreign governments like China and doubled down on that comparison when speaking with reporters after his remarks at the Economic Club of Washington.

"It's not a good thing. I understand the goal of what SOPA and PIPA are trying to do," Schmidt said of the Senate counterpart bill, the Protect IP Act. "Their goal is reasonable, their mechanism is terrible. They should not criminalize the intermediaries. They should go after the people that are violating the law."

Schmidt also criticized SOPA for targeting the Domain Name System, which experts have warned could undermine the security of the Web.

"What they're essentially doing is whacking away at the DNS system and that's a mistake. It's a bad way to go about solving the problem," Schmidt said.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; corruption; google; internet; piracy
Supporters of SOPA, including the movie industry and the House Judiciary Committee, have blasted the OPEN Act, arguing it goes easy on online piracy and would result in a huge cost increase for the ITC.
1 posted on 12/12/2011 4:09:20 PM PST by khnyny
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To: khnyny
"If Congress writes a bad law, we all suffer," Schmidt said.

IF????

2 posted on 12/12/2011 4:11:39 PM PST by DJ Frisat
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To: khnyny

SOPA allows confiscation without due process. Make false infringement allegations and watch your competitor or political adversary’s website get shut down without a hearing.

Lamar Smith should be primaried because of this steaming pile of draconian feces. A perfect example of what’s wrong with the GOP today.


3 posted on 12/12/2011 4:15:57 PM PST by peyton randolph (B. Hussein Obama solved Bush's "problem" of a AAA credit rating)
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To: khnyny

Google supports and LOVES the illegal Halfrican Kenyan Muslim in the White Hut. Think all that verbal fellatio saved you? Think again.


4 posted on 12/12/2011 4:15:57 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: khnyny

He supports the commie in the White House that has been taking down websites by the hundreds without due process though.


5 posted on 12/12/2011 4:19:51 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: peyton randolph

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/198687-internet-piracy-bill-a-free-speech-kill-switch

What began as an attempt to restrain foreign piracy on the Internet has morphed into a domestic “kill switch” on First Amendment freedom in the fastest-growing corner of the marketplace of ideas.

Proposed federal legislation purporting to protect online intellectual property would also impose sweeping new government mandates on internet service providers – a positively Orwellian power grab that would permit the U.S. Justice Department to shut down any internet site it doesn’t like (and cut off its sources of income) on nothing more than a whim.


6 posted on 12/12/2011 4:21:18 PM PST by khnyny (Our government has become Hal in "2001 A Space Odyssey")
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To: peyton randolph
Lamar Smith should be primaried because of this steaming pile of draconian feces. A perfect example of what’s wrong with the GOP today.

Amen and it's an embarrassment that he's from Texas.

Two reasons why politicians love this - lots of companies lobbying them, which means a lot of donations and perks, and it can be easily used to shut down websites critical of them. Under this bill, Free Republic could easily be shut down just by somebody posting a link to another website or a YouTube video and Jim Robinson would have no recourse.
7 posted on 12/12/2011 4:26:29 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: khnyny

According to Chris Dodd, they want the same censorship power as China.


8 posted on 12/12/2011 4:29:42 PM PST by surroundedinCT
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To: surroundedinCT

To clarify, Dodd is for it.


9 posted on 12/12/2011 4:30:51 PM PST by surroundedinCT
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To: khnyny

The last round of Homeland Security and other Alphabet Agencies are moving us toward being forced to accept “The Cloud”. It is again about making money for the big software companies at the expense of the privacy of users and small companies. Maintaining the monopoly.

My local ISP just notified us that our e-mails would be changing into Google Apps on “the Cloud”. They did not give us an “option” and it takes place this month. I am convinced that the cost of compliance with the recent rule making is what is driving this. Engineered by HS and Google.


10 posted on 12/12/2011 4:35:32 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: surroundedinCT
According to Chris Dodd, they want the same censorship power as China.

Not a coincidence that Dodd is a Democrat...
11 posted on 12/12/2011 4:37:08 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
And Lamar Smith makes it hard for someone outside his district (but in Texas) to e-mail him. His website is convoluted crap.

/johnny

12 posted on 12/12/2011 4:38:56 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
But THAT is interesting... Accord to some data I dug up, his faith is listed as "Christian Scientist".

I'm fairly sure that should read Luddite Idiot.

/johnny

13 posted on 12/12/2011 4:41:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Texas Fossil
My local ISP just notified us that our e-mails would be changing into Google Apps on “the Cloud”. They did not give us an “option” and it takes place this month. I am convinced that the cost of compliance with the recent rule making is what is driving this. Engineered by HS and Google.

You're ISP is probably just trying to cut corners. They'll be able to get rid of a few servers and lay off a few support folks as a result and save themselves some money.
14 posted on 12/12/2011 4:41:25 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: peyton randolph
If you hear of someone going against him in the primary, let me know. Because I'll send them money.

He's gotta be gone.

/johnny

15 posted on 12/12/2011 4:45:14 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks khnyny.
"By criminalizing links, what these bills do is they force you to take content off the Internet," Schmidt said, calling it a form of censorship.
Gotta protect the limo libs of the entertainment industry -- whlie simultaneously preventing tens of thousands of "shovel ready jobs".


16 posted on 12/12/2011 4:47:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: af_vet_rr

Yes, I am sure you are correct. My ISP is a very well run local Coop phone company. But I think this is more than about man hours, I think it is about required record keeping on e-mails. Compliance with bureaucraps.


17 posted on 12/12/2011 4:52:41 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
Yes, I am sure you are correct. My ISP is a very well run local Coop phone company. But I think this is more than about man hours, I think it is about required record keeping on e-mails. Compliance with bureaucraps.

Don't use your ISP's email then. There are dozens of free email services on the internet. I've never used the email provided by my ISP because I change ISPs every few years.
18 posted on 12/12/2011 5:00:34 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

I used the local telephone company because I like their personnel. I trust their techies. I don’t know a single large internet company that I “trust”.

Is that being paranoid? Not sure, but I have seen enough to be very cautious about the motives of the big providers.

I had e-mails frozen by ATT/Yahoo where they leave my local ISP. They froze all my e-mails with attachments to a @yahoo.com address (my daughter has one). It was because of a screen shot from a Technorati search that displeased the Dem Rats. It was almost a year before it got “fixed”.

I am looking for a replacement e-mail provider. Have been with this company for about 10 years, using the same e-mail address.


19 posted on 12/12/2011 5:22:57 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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I wonder if the Cart & Buggy Manufactures Association lobbied this hard to get the automobile regulated back in the day. Make no bones about it, the old copyright laws are a pre-digital relic.

I violate copyrights monthly, every time I make a video of my kids and put some background music to it. Music I paid $20 for at Wall-Mart.

You violate copyrights by trying to backup your CD or Movie Library amongst many other actions. Sharing isn’t the only thing that is a violation.


20 posted on 12/12/2011 6:24:23 PM PST by RC51
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To: RC51
I wonder if the Cart & Buggy Manufactures Association lobbied this hard to get the automobile regulated back in the day. Make no bones about it, the old copyright laws are a pre-digital relic.

The automobile makers such as General Motors worked hard back in the first half of the 20th century to replace working street trolleys and electric trains with buses that they were manufacturing. Industries will fight dirty to benefit themselves.
21 posted on 12/12/2011 6:57:55 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: RC51

I thought that you could make one archive copy. How can one even backup his OS if not?


22 posted on 12/12/2011 6:59:22 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: khnyny
according to Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt

Anytime "Google" is involved, I'm a little wary...

23 posted on 12/12/2011 7:29:57 PM PST by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: khnyny
Let the RIAA go to a judge, with probable cause, and get a COURT ORDER to take a site off the US DNS registry.

If it keeps coming through on IP addresses ONSHORE, arrest and prosecute the perps. If offshore, make it a diplomatic/international crime issue.

24 posted on 12/12/2011 8:15:03 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: khnyny
This is what we can eventually expect:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/12/chinese-men-detained-internet-rumour

Police in central China have detained two men for spreading a rumour online that thousands of police were called out to guard a wedding, state media reported, as the country increases scrutiny of the internet.

Police have detained the two men "for a total of five days in accordance with relevant laws", Xinhua said.

The detention comes after a stream of warnings in state media that has shown Beijing is nervous about the internet, particularly a booming microblogging site called Weibo, and its potential to undermine censorship.

China has repeatedly criticised microblogs for irresponsibility in spreading what it calls unfounded rumours.

25 posted on 12/12/2011 9:18:59 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: GeronL
I am sure this Schmidt takes orders from the 2 liberals who own Google.
26 posted on 12/12/2011 9:37:47 PM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: Democrat_media

bump


27 posted on 12/13/2011 4:33:43 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: khnyny
Worse, SOPA would prohibit browser companies from incorporating effective anti-fraud measures into their software.

Quick Summation: One criminal technique is to put up fake sites to impersonate banks, etc. In order to direct people to the fake site, they hide the IP address of the real site. Browsers can defeat this trick by continuing to search for another DNS server to find the correct IP address data.

However, under SOPA, it would be illegal to code browsers to do that, because the method could be used to circumvent SOPA's mandated Great Firewall of America.

28 posted on 12/16/2011 6:59:56 AM PST by Burkean Buckleyite
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To: JRandomFreeper
[Lamar Smith's] faith is listed as "Christian Scientist"

His actual faith is in the "Almighty State", as evidenced by his introduction of this Orwellian garbage.

29 posted on 12/16/2011 7:00:09 AM PST by Burkean Buckleyite
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