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Islamic governments push for speech curbs in the US
The Daily Caller ^ | 13 December 2011 | Staff

Posted on 12/13/2011 5:38:45 AM PST by IbJensen

The State Department began a three-day, closed-door meeting Monday to talk about U.S. free speech rules with representatives from numerous Islamic governments that have lobbied for 12 years to end U.S. citizens’ ability to speak freely about Islam’s history and obligations.

Free speech advocates slammed the event as an effort to gradually curb public criticism of Islam, but it was defended by Hannah Rosenthal, who heads the agency’s office to curb anti-Semitism.

The meeting is a great success, she said, because governments in the multinational Organisation for Islamic Cooperation have dropped their demand that criticism of Islamic ideas be treated as illegal defamation. Member countries include Pakistan, Iran, Saudia Arabia and Qatar.

In exchange for dropping the demand, she said, they’re getting “technical assistance [to] build institutions to ensure there will be religious freedom” in their countries, she told The Daily Caller.

“That’s a joke,” said Andrea Lafferty, a conservative activist who was repeatedly denied information about the meeting.

Rosenthal’s claim that the OIC is accepting freedom of speech and religion implies revolutionary changes in Islamic countries, she said. That’s because Islamic texts set myriad laws for behavior, and sharply restrict non-Muslim religions, free speech and women’s rights, said Lafferty, who is president of the Traditional Values Coalition, a conservative advocacy group.

If the OIC countries are giving up on their religious obligation to ban criticism of Islam, she said, “does this mean that Pakistan is no longer going to kill Christians and kill religious minorities? … Are women in Saudi Arabia going to vote, to drive, to live free lives?”

“We hope so,” said Rosenthal, who added that such progress will not occur rapidly.

The more realistic explanation for the three-day event, Lafferty said, is that administration officials, progressives and OIC officials are tacitly cooperating to gradually stigmatize speech that is critical of Islam.

Lafferty pointed to a July statement by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in which she said that free speech will be protected, but the U.S. government will “use some old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming, so that people don’t feel that they have the support to do what we abhor.”

Clinton’s statement was issued at Istanbul, where the United States and the OIC launched the joint project to combat “religious intolerance.”

Prior to the launch, OIC officials spent 12 years lobbying for a U.N. resolution that would declared criticism of religion to be defamation. U.S. officials strongly opposed this measure as a restriction on free speech and a barrier to Internet services.

In March, the OIC dropped the defamation resolution in exchange for passage of a resolution in the Human Rights Committee, dubbed 16/18.

The new resolution was titled “Combating Intolerance, Negative Stereotyping and Stigmatization of, and Discrimination, Incitement to Violence and Violence Against, Persons Based on Religion or Belief.” It urges all governments to counter “Islamophobia,” and declares opposition to “derogatory stereotyping, negative profiling and stigmatization of persons based on their religion or belief.”

However, it also urges states to promote tolerance of all believers, and to promote “a wider knowledge of different religions and beliefs.”

This week’s State Department meeting is intended to begin implementing the 16/18 decision. The meeting is titled “The Istanbul Process for Combating Intolerance and Discrimination based on Religion or Belief.”

Another meeting is slated for February or March, said Rosenthal.

But the OIC’s definition of religious intolerance collides with U.S. notion of free speech and robust debate, said Lafferty.

The meeting won’t curb freedom of speech in the United States, Rosenthal countered, because the U.S. government will protect free speech. “We would protect free speech,” she said.

However, “hateful” and “Islamophobic” speech, said Rosenthal, “needs to be called out.” Asked to define “hate speech,” she said that if critics of Islam’s ideology “are just taking out the hateful parts [of the Quran] or claiming [they’re] all superior to them … that can be very damaging.”

The term “Islamophobia” was developed by U.S.-based advocates to stigmatize critics of Islam. It is mimics the “homophobia” term used by advocates of rights for gays. It is now in common use by progressive’s groups, such as the Center for American Progress.

But Islam deserves to be criticized because it denies free speech, freedom of conscience and equality for women and non-Muslims, said Robert Spencer, an expert on Islamic texts and a best-selling author who is widely labeled by Islamists and progressives as “Islamophobic.” Today, he said, “there is no majority-Muslim country that fully protects those rights.”

Rosenthal’s reassurances of continued U.S. free speech are without merit, Lafferty said, partly because U.S. officials are already cooperating with Islamic countries to redefine criticism of Islam as not just ”Islamophobia,” but illegal “incitement to violence.”

In July, for example, Clinton told the international meeting that the 16/18 “resolution calls upon states … to prohibit discrimination, profiling, and hate crimes, but not to criminalize speech unless there is an incitement to imminent violence.”

The 16/18 deal won’t curb free speech, because incitement to violence can only be committed by speakers, not by listeners, responded Rosenthal.

But “here in America,” Lafferty said, “we have the right to speak freely, and we have open debate on variety of issues, but Islamists are claiming those conversations incite violence.”

“The State Department knows what they’re doing is wrong, otherwise they would not have been so evasive,” about the meeting, Lafferty said. The Dec. 12 to 14 meeting was quietly announced on Friday, Dec. 9, but few details were provided. Only two speakers were identified, and the government has not released the text of a speech given by the justice department’s civil-regulations chief, Tom Perez.

The 16/18 deal is tied to Obama’s outreach to Islamic countries and the OIC, which he launched in 2009 by giving a speech in Cairo.

To boost that outreach to the OIC, Obama appointed Rashad Hussain as his OIC ambassador in 2010. Hussein had tried to hide his attendance at a U.S. meeting of Islamic advocacy groups in 2004 where he declared the federal government’s prosecution of a Muslim terror leader was politically motivated, according to a Politico article.

The terror leader was Sami Al Arian, who also is a professor in Florida. He was a leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad group, which has used numerous suicide bombers to murder Israeli civilians in buses, nightclubs, shops and streets.

Obama subsequently kept Hussain as his OIC ambassador.

As part of that outreach to the OIC and to Arab Muslims, the administration has pushed hard to accelerate the elections in Egypt that have since given Islamists up to 65 percent of the vote. It has also dispatched U.S. airpower to kill Moammar Gadhafi, the dictator of Libya, which is now likely to be dominated by an Islamist government.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: islamequalshate; religionofdeath; terrorists
Free speech in the USA is already curtailed due to the ban against speaking negatively about homosexuals and their perversity. It's a very small step, rather than a leap, to have this evil regime that ruins our nation and our lives to add more rules about speaking only nice things about a monstrously evil religion.

Get the pathetic fool out of the White Hut.

Republicrat Party: give us a candidate that will make a LARGE difference!

1 posted on 12/13/2011 5:38:53 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: americanophile

Ping!


2 posted on 12/13/2011 5:45:47 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: IbJensen

You also can’t say anything about being a believer in Jesus Christ or against the policies of the current administration without being stigmatized


3 posted on 12/13/2011 5:46:22 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: IbJensen

"Silence the Infidels" ....

...and no one will ask why this takes place behind closed doors

4 posted on 12/13/2011 5:48:10 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: IbJensen

There is a difference between criticism and hate speech. People relate to what they see, and what we have seen from Islam goes against the grain of humanism, and God.


5 posted on 12/13/2011 5:48:36 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: IbJensen
In exchange for dropping the demand, she said, they’re getting “technical assistance [to] build institutions to ensure there will be religious freedom” in their countries...

Religious freedom in Saudi Arabia? Don't make me laugh. Ms Rosenthal couldn't even get a visa as an evil joooo!

6 posted on 12/13/2011 5:48:40 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: IbJensen

We already have to walk on eggshells for the people who want to control us—now we have to do it for the people who want to kill us.


7 posted on 12/13/2011 5:49:43 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Having A Communist Joke In The White House Takes Graveyard Humor To New Heights.")
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To: IbJensen
Here's our revised First Amendment, courtesy of the Obama Regime...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, but will use some old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming, so that people don’t feel that they have the support to do what we abhor.

8 posted on 12/13/2011 5:49:50 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: IbJensen

Would this also extend to artwork such as “Piss Muhammad”?


9 posted on 12/13/2011 5:50:08 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up)
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To: IbJensen; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Let’s see if I understand this. The R.O.P. that openly calls and campaigns for “Death to the Jews”, “Death to America”, “Death to Christians”, labels the USA the “Great Satan”, defends “Honor Killings” of family members, demands that countries foolish (stupid) enough to let them in, want other people to allow them to dictate what is meant by “Freedom of Speech”.
Do I have it correct?
To make it worse, some idiot in OUR government may actually think this is a good thing?
The USA was a good thing while it lasted, wasn’t it?


10 posted on 12/13/2011 5:51:05 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: IbJensen

As with everything moslem, it’s strictly a one-way street. When the moslems

let their women dress for the 21st century
stop stoning them to death for looking at a man
stop dismembering people for petty crimes
stop murdering others of different faiths just because
give up the whole terror thing
allow churches to be built in Mecca

then I might be a little more inclined to speak favorably of them.


11 posted on 12/13/2011 5:51:35 AM PST by henkster
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To: IbJensen

Sorry you Muzzie scumbags, you and your pedophile goat-humping prophet MoHAMed WILL NEVER SHUT ME UP!!!!!


12 posted on 12/13/2011 5:52:05 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: IbJensen
I guess I'm islamphoboc then

SO WHAT?

If you plan on pushing your agenda on me expect me to do the same.

13 posted on 12/13/2011 5:52:53 AM PST by hans56
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To: IbJensen

” ...the U.S. government will “use some old-fashioned techniques...”

Wanna know what that means?

They tell ALL GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS what their new policy will be!

And those companies publish these little blue Corporate Ethics books (which we received yesterday), outlining in detail, the new “Political Correctness”.


14 posted on 12/13/2011 5:55:05 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: IbJensen

Islam is in desperate need of a Reformation.

And it should have had one on Sept. 12, 2001.

I want to know why one religion has the dispensation alone on the face of the earth to kill those who do not submit to it. Phooey!


15 posted on 12/13/2011 5:56:49 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: henkster
When the moslems

let their women dress for the 21st century
stop stoning them to death for looking at a man
stop dismembering people for petty crimes
stop murdering others of different faiths just because
give up the whole terror thing
allow churches to be built in Mecca

then I might be a little more inclined to speak favorably of them.

Yeah, when Hell freezes over and Satan's offering snow cones.
16 posted on 12/13/2011 6:02:12 AM PST by DTxAg
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To: IbJensen
Lafferty pointed to a July statement by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in which she said that free speech will be protected, but the U.S. government will “use some old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming, so that people don’t feel that they have the support to do what we abhor.”

Since when does Hitlery get to decide what we abhor? She's in for a big surprise when she finds out that we abhor Islam.

17 posted on 12/13/2011 6:03:32 AM PST by liberalh8ter
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To: IbJensen

Like CFL bulbs, Europe led the way on this topic with America following eventually.

How do you like your Euro-peon-ization?


18 posted on 12/13/2011 6:05:04 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: commish
Sorry you Muzzie scumbags, you and your pedophile goat-humping prophet MoHAMed WILL NEVER SHUT ME UP!!!!!

Oh, they never intended to shut you up; they'll leave that to our own "compassion fascists."

19 posted on 12/13/2011 6:07:16 AM PST by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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To: IbJensen
Funny how equating religious Christians with racists for opposing homosexual "marriage," as the regime is actively doing now, isn't "defaming religion".

In the Obamanation, Muslims get one set of rules, and Christians get a dhimmi set.

20 posted on 12/13/2011 6:13:40 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: IbJensen

obama is a traitorous swine. Perez is worse than a viper. Clintoon is a power seeking opportunist who would sell her mother down the river to gain power. What a great batch of “leaders”.


21 posted on 12/13/2011 6:21:28 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: IbJensen
Free speech advocates slammed the event as an effort to gradually curb public criticism of Islam, but it was defended by Hannah Rosenthal, who heads the agency’s office to curb anti-Semitism.

When Ms. Rosenthal and a group of her Jewish friends and family can freely book a tour to Mecca and Medina, and visit a synagogue while in Saudi Arabia, then there might be some basis for discussion. Otherwise, she's just engaging in the self-destructive behavior that is all too common among the self-righteous left.

22 posted on 12/13/2011 6:33:11 AM PST by Will88
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To: hans56
I guess I'm islamphoboc then

Don't let them label you that way, I certainly don't. a "phobia" is an irrational fear. First off, I don't FEAR islam. I have a very healthy distrust of it and those who claim to practice it. Secondly, that distrust is in no way irrational. It's from a long history or watching islamists throughout the history of my life.

Nope, nobody is allowed to label me as "islamaphobic."

Mark

23 posted on 12/13/2011 6:33:32 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: IbJensen
"....but it was defended by Hannah Rosenthal, who heads the agency’s office to curb anti-Semitism."

Just so we all understand the nature of our enemy; here is a Jewish woman on the side of Islamists that want to eradicate the Jewish race.

Liberalism has replaced self-preservation for these folks, they are like cultists.

Of course they HATE the US because they HATE themselves! and who better to teach them HATE than a religion which has been perfecting it for 1,300 years.

HATE is their drug; their GOD. They want to destroy everything.

24 posted on 12/13/2011 6:36:29 AM PST by Pietro
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To: IbJensen

Islam is the mortal enemy of Western Civilization, and has been for nearly fourteen centuries. It is their intention to conquer the West. There will never be a peaceful coexistance with them.


25 posted on 12/13/2011 6:38:36 AM PST by VR-21 (Thela Hun Ginjeet)
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To: Campion
Funny how equating religious Christians with racists for opposing homosexual "marriage," as the regime is actively doing now, isn't "defaming religion".

In the Obamanation, Muslims get one set of rules, and Christians get a dhimmi set.

Great points... Funny how religious Christians (and Jews) who oppose homosexual marriage are deemed "haters," while muslims, who just stone homosexuals to death (a particularly brutal way to kill someone, btw), need to be protected against mean speech, or even anyone who speaks the truth about islam.

Mark

26 posted on 12/13/2011 6:39:22 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: IbJensen

Proper State Dept position would be: NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION.


27 posted on 12/13/2011 7:00:38 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Merry Christmas to all)
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To: MarkL

Islam is not a religion,
It is a ideology based on world domination masquerading as a religion.
No other religion requires total submission or death.
Islam does.!
ISLAM IS TERRORISM BY IT’S VERY NAT

.................While I can still say it !!!!


28 posted on 12/13/2011 7:18:42 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe

ooppsies.............correction

Islam is not a religion,
It is a ideology based on world domination masquerading as a religion.
No other religion requires total submission or death.
Islam does.!
ISLAM IS TERRORISM BY IT’S VERY NATURE


29 posted on 12/13/2011 7:21:48 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: IbJensen

Political correctness running amok some more ! The ironic thing, the homosexuals ought to pay attention that the democrats will eventually sell out to the islamic folks and the gays will be first to be done away with ! This is with the disclaimer that I don’t condone what their lifestyle (deathstle) is all about !


30 posted on 12/13/2011 8:24:42 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: henkster

But don’t stop stoning the homosexuals.


31 posted on 12/13/2011 9:12:10 AM PST by IbJensen (Demint for President, Paul for Treasury Secretary, Apaio For AG)
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To: Jaidyn

> There is a difference between criticism and hate speech.

No there is not.

The only difference is that “hate speech” involves a thought crime. I don’t think we want to go down that road.

Let people say what they’re going to say.

It’s their actions that are actionable.


32 posted on 12/13/2011 9:35:40 AM PST by Westbrook
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To: IbJensen

“The State Department began a three-day, closed-door meeting Monday to talk about U.S. free speech rules with representatives from numerous Islamic governments”

This in and of itself is an unconstitutional act. The State Dept has no power or authority to enter into any type of discussion that limits the 1st Ammendment. Whoever authorized these meetings should be fired stat.


33 posted on 12/13/2011 9:37:13 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: exit82

> Islam is in desperate need of a Reformation.

They have had a reformation, that is, a reckoning of how far they have strayed from the teachings of the pedophile polygamist pirate slave-trader murdering rapist tyrant Mahomet.

> And it should have had one on Sept. 12, 2001.

The action on Sept 11, 2001, highly celebrated in Islamic circles by the way, was the outworking of their reformation.


34 posted on 12/13/2011 9:39:04 AM PST by Westbrook
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To: IbJensen

Gut instinct tells me Herman Cain knows a lot about this. Remember, he said he’d not have Muslims in his administration, were he to be elected. He walked that statement back a bit, then, went on to challenge Blacks living on the Dem Plantation.


35 posted on 12/13/2011 9:40:53 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: IbJensen

Silence! I silence you without killing you! I silence your mouth!


36 posted on 12/13/2011 9:43:16 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: americanophile; Islaminaction; Kolokotronis; annalex; MahatmaGandu; NYer; La Lydia; AnalogReigns; ..
ISLAMIZATION PING LIST

"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets,
the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers."

Infidels: freepmail me if you want on or off this list.


37 posted on 12/13/2011 11:13:18 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: IbJensen

The truth is islam’s Achilles Heel.

Filthy koranimals.


38 posted on 12/13/2011 11:58:31 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: IbJensen

Short/swedet!......& concise.


39 posted on 12/13/2011 12:32:25 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: IbJensen

Short/swedet!......& concise.


40 posted on 12/13/2011 12:32:25 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: Westbrook
There is a difference between criticism and hate speech. No there is not. The only difference is that “hate speech” involves a thought crime. I don’t think we want to go down that road.

I was referring in the context of the article. Muslims are against criticism by Americans, while at the same time spew their hatred. Muslims in the article, want to curb criticism, and call it hate.

41 posted on 12/13/2011 1:44:40 PM PST by Jaidyn
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To: IbJensen
State Department began a three-day, closed-door meeting Monday to talk about U.S. free speech rules with representatives from numerous Islamic governments that have lobbied for 12 years to end U.S. citizens’ ability to speak freely about Islam’s history and obligations.

Someone tell me why a 3-day meeting behind closed doors is being given to Islam to hear their complaints.....whe they can stop hating and trying to make our country into an Islmaic desseert....then maybe...but not now..actually not never. I want them all to go home...all of them.

42 posted on 12/13/2011 2:16:39 PM PST by caww
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To: exit82

There is no possibility for Islam to reform...none. It’s not a religion it’s a ideology of hate and death....that has not nor will it change...it doesn’t want to and won’t.


43 posted on 12/13/2011 2:22:02 PM PST by caww
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To: liberalh8ter

Along with EPA we need to get rid of the state dept...simple.


44 posted on 12/13/2011 2:23:36 PM PST by caww
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To: Will88

Will...it isn’t about religion that they are here. They won’t and never will assimulate because their purpose here is the Islamification of our country...and that politically. The fact they even set at our Presidents table while our soldiers die fighting them makes all the statment I want to hear.


45 posted on 12/13/2011 2:26:51 PM PST by caww
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