Posted on 12/13/2011 7:56:38 AM PST by lbryce
That is precisely my point about CONTEXT. But if it fits one’s agenda, then “taken out of context” will fool some. This used to be call propaganda.
Reagan laid the foundation for conservatives to follow. So far no one has stepped up to grab the mantle of leadership. We just need to find the right candidate to sell it to the masses as Reagan did so well. Reagan may not be leading the charge but his voice can still be heard from beyond the grave. Conservatives can ignore Reagan at their own peril.
Hey Newt, FDR’s administration was chock full of communists and apparently he didn’t care about it.
http://biggovernment.com/asnyder/2010/05/22/whittaker-chambers-the-new-deal-as-revolution/
BS. FDR's Ponzi scheme, SS, allowed people to get far more out of the program than they ever put in. And FDR with his Freedom from Want provided the predicate for the welfare state. His various Big Government programs gave more and more power to the federal government.
The Wagner Act to promote labor unions, the Works Progress Administration (WPA) relief program, the Social Security Act, and new programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. The final major items of New Deal legislation were the creation of the United States Housing Authority and Farm Security Administration, both in 1937, then the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, which set maximum hours and minimum wages for most categories of workers and the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1938.
Several New Deal programs remain active, with some still operating under the original names, including the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), the Federal Crop Insurance Corporation (FCIC), the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), and the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). The largest programs still in existence today are the Social Security System and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).
Originally FDR wanted to include health insurance in the SS bill, but decided not to because it might jeopardize passage. The Wagner Bill evolved and shifted from a proposal for federal grants-in- aid to a proposal for national health insurance. First introduced in 1943, it became the very famous Wagner-Murray- Dingell Bill. The bill called for compulsory national health insurance and a payroll tax. Although the Wagner-Murray-Dingell Bill generated extensive national debates, with the intensified opposition, the bill never passed by Congress despite its reintroduction every session for 14 years! Had it passed, the Act would have established compulsory national health insurance funded by payroll taxes.
LBJ just built on the FDR legacy with his New Society. He was bent on accomplishing the FDR agenda. LBJ was able to get things like Medicare and Medicaid passed due to his overwhelming majority in Congress and Rep complicity. Both Medicare and Medicaid were seen as just the first step towards an eventual single payer system. Between Medicare and Medicaid, the government is covering about 50% of the national health care expenditures. Obamacare covers the rest. And as Obama has said himself, Obamacare is just the first step towards a single payer universal care system Although Teddy Roosevelt favored a health insurance scheme, it was under FDR that this all took root.
FDR was probably the best wartime president we have had. He was able to mobilize the entire country in the war effort. If Bush had done the same thing after 9/11 there would be no terrorists threatening us today. But Bush told every American to just go about their business and pretend that we aren't at war. As a result we are still spinning our wheels in Iraq and Afghanistan.
LOL. To compare our effort in WWII when we had 16 million under arms with a total population of 132 million with the the small "wars" in Afghanistan and Iraq is laughable. Our actual national survival was at stake in WWII. Hell, Korea and Vietnam make Afghanistan and Iraq pale in comparison.
I would hope that Gingrich has learned from history that if you are going to get involved in a war, that you had better not only enlist the support of the American people, but also enlist their HELP.
HELP? Give me a break. We have a volunteer military today. It is relatively small given our population of 311 million. Do you want to institute the Draft?
I watched the MTP interview with Newt when he criticized the Ryan plan. I also watched his “debate” with John Kerry about global warming. This has nothing to do with CONTEXT, but with someone who is constantly changing his position on the issues.
Actually the Soviet Union collapsed during G Bush the Senior’s presidency. That Bush also won a bigger war in Iraq than Reagan ever conducted. Just reality.
And what actions, precisely, did Bush take to make it happen?? None. The ACTIONS were taken by Reagan. The timing is inconsequential.
"That Bush also won a bigger war in Iraq than Reagan ever conducted.
Crap. Bush I screwed up the Iraq war so badly we are still suffering the negative consequences. Those consequences are the interminable "Gulf War II". Bush I "should" have run all the way to Baghdad and hung Saddam Hussein from the nearest post, and then gotten the hell out. Instead, he saw some "bad pictures" on TV, lost his balls, and ran home.
"Just reality.
Just stupidity.
Quite honestly Reagan helped give the USSR a push, it also self destructed. That happened under Bush and you have no idea, obviously, how well he managed that. Including insisting on the reunification of Germany, supporting Yeltsin against a commie coup, etc. Nor did he screw up the Iraq war. But whatever dream on.
That’s nice you were able to watch those, but unless the rest of us are able to see it for ourselves or read the entire transcript, our understanding is out of context, by definition.
I was just saying Breitbart put together a montage of out of context snippets and passed it on as conservative gospel.
Even our side is being bombarded with sound byte propaganda intent on swaying our view of one candidate or another.
Here are some I've located:
From Physicians for a national health insurance program:
From: New Deal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Origins · The First Hundred Days · Tax increases · Reform The final major items of New Deal legislation were ... the United States Housing Authority and Farm ... Security Administration, both in 1937, then the Fair ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal
This is stupid! No, FDR was not the greatest but possibly one of the worst.
Sources for what? FDR was President from 1933 to 1945. His administration supported/sponsored the legislation I listed. If you want to learn more about it, google it.
Those are quotes, kabar, that I’ve underlined.
Where did you get them from? How much of this is you and how much is copy/pasted? Please put quotes around partial and full quotations from your sources and give the sources.
"By 1943 the tide of battle had turned in favor of the Allies, and postwar reconstruction problems began to receive increasing attention. President Roosevelt, in his state of the Union message that year, for the first time called for a social insurance system that would extend "from the cradle to the grave." His plea followed closely the publication by the British of the famed "Beveridge Report." This report, advocating a comprehensive social welfare system for postwar Britain, caused considerable excitement in the United Skates and spurred the Roosevelt administration to release a similar high-level report by the National Resources Planning Board. Shortly afterward, Sir
William Beveridge, chairman of the commission that had drafted the British report, came to the United States for a lecture tour, and his tour stimulated further public discussion of health insurance and other social security issues.
President Roosevelt evidently felt the time was not yet appropriate for a Presidential endorsement, but he was amenable to Senator Wagner's introducing a bill for broad improvements and additions to the Social Security Act, including health insurance measures. Accordingly, the Social Security Board drafted a bill which was introduced on June 3,1943, by Senator Wagner and Senator James Murray of Montana (S. 1161)and Representative John Dingell of Michigan (H.R. 2861) (2) As its drafters and sponsors had expected, the Wagner-Murray-Dingell bill signaled the beginning of the political debate that would come to a climax in the postwar years.
In the ensuing months, the battle lines began to form. Organized labor, the National Farmers Union, and several other organizations declared their support; the AMA-linked "National Physicians' Committee for the Extension of Medical Service" began organizing against it. (The AMA opened a Washington office in September 1944 "to keep in close contact with political developments on the national scene.") The physicians were joined by a revitalized Insurance Economics Society of America (one of the organizations that had been in the forefront of the opposition to Government health insurance in the early 1900's), the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers' Association, and other groups.
Without official Presidential support (and pressure), and with the war still far from being won, the first Wagner-Murray-Dingell bill died in committee. There were times during the war years when the President indicated interest in advancing health proposals. But each time he postponed a commitment. Then, during the election campaign of 1944, he began to move toward an endorsement. He urged an "Economic Bill of Rights" for the American people, including "the right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health" and "the right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment." Following his reelection (and with the end of the war in sight), Mr. Roosevelt began setting the stage for personal sponsorship of the proposal. In his budget message of January 1945, he called for an "extended social security, including medical care." And in his 1945 state of the Union message, he promised : "I shall communicate further with the Congress on these subjects at a later date."
Presumably, Mr. Roosevelt intended to press ahead with the health insurance issue as soon as the war was over; a special Presidential message on health matters had been drafted by the Social Security Board several months earlier and merely awaited the President's pleasure. But the President would never deliver the message; he died in April 1945.
His successor's views on health insurance were not known in advance, but it soon became apparent that the new President, Harry S. Truman, would support the proposal enthusiastically and make it a key item in what he later labeled the "Fair Deal" program. On November 19, 1945, after the Japanese surrender, Mr. Truman sent a revised health message to Congress along with a re-drafted Wagner-Murray-Dingell bill. Thus, for the first time, the Congress had before it an official administration proposal for a general program of Government health insurance (sponsors called it National Health Insurance).
Years later, President Truman wrote: "I have had some bitter disappointments as President, but the one that has troubled me most, in a personal way, has been the failure to defeat the organized opposition to a National compulsory health insurance program. But this opposition has only delayed and cannot stop the adoption of an indispensable Federal health insurance plan."
It matters because I’m trying to sort out your words versus their words to see what you’re saying versus what they’re saying.
What exactly is your point on FDR beyond what you stated in your posts #64 and #49? I disagree with your opinion that FDR was "great" for the reasons mentioned. FDR has sown the seeds that will eventually lead to the destruction of this country. We are seeing its effects today as the US has become the world's largest debtor nation and borrows 42 cents of every dollar spent. The entitlement programs will eventually consume the entire budget if they are not changed. They are unsustainable. We should all rue the legacy of FDR.
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