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Lockheed Martin Rolls Out Final F-22 Raptor
PRNewswire at Yahoo ^ | 12/13/11 | Lockheed Martin

Posted on 12/13/2011 11:28:39 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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That's All, Folks!

F-35 or Bust, Baby!!

1 posted on 12/13/2011 11:28:43 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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http://www.f22-raptor.com/


2 posted on 12/13/2011 11:29:47 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

That’s going to be a terrible waste to shut down that production line.Its not like the Air Force doesn’t need that Aircraft.

Obama is a damn fool.


3 posted on 12/13/2011 11:32:25 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Keep the construction line in place, and the phone numbers of all the folks you lay off. January 2013 is rapidly approaching, and we need more of this aircraft.

The F35 may pan out. At the present, I’m not convinced of it.

We need a new aircraft, and the F22 is the go to unit.


4 posted on 12/13/2011 11:35:27 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: puppypusher

Obama certainly is a fool. Though, Obama wasn’t the one responsible for the horrific cuts in production. This was done by our former President and our wonderful Congress, RINO ball-less legislators included. He WOULD have cut them, but he didn’t have to - it was done for him.


5 posted on 12/13/2011 11:35:36 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: puppypusher

Certainly Australia, Japan, and South Korea should have been allowed to buy them and keep the line open.

But of course as the last bird rolls out most of the line has already been shut for months, is probably already half dissembled, and even if it wasn’t supplier lead times would mean years before new ones could be produced.


6 posted on 12/13/2011 11:36:33 AM PST by The Free Engineer
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To: NormsRevenge

Last week I visited the museum of aviation in Warner Robins GA. They have an SR 71. Fantastic visit. http://www.museumofaviation.org/


7 posted on 12/13/2011 11:36:42 AM PST by Track9
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To: NormsRevenge

Has obama FED-EX’d it to the chicoms yet?

LLS


8 posted on 12/13/2011 11:44:56 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: NormsRevenge
From your link...... The F-22 represents the high end of a tactical fighter mix that advocates say is critical to defend worldwide U.S. interests over coming decades alongside the F-35, a less capable, less costly, Lockheed stealth fighter now in early production.

And we pay these guys big bucks for ?????????

9 posted on 12/13/2011 11:46:59 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: DoughtyOne
Keep the construction line in place, and the phone numbers of all the folks you lay off. January 2013 is rapidly approaching, and we need more of this aircraft.

The sad reality is this happens all the time to DoD contractors. You need to keep earning a pay check to keep your household going. The layoffs come, the staff finds new employment elsewhere. When the dimwits discover they shouldn't have laid off the staff, it's too late. The "corporate memory" and subject matter experts are gone. Trying to rebuild requires recruiting, getting clearances updated and retraining the staff to get back to where you were when the layoffs hit. It's a massive loss of time, money and ability to act in a timely fashion. On rare occasions you are successful in "clawing back" the original staff to stand the project up again.

10 posted on 12/13/2011 11:48:14 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: NormsRevenge
I hate to see F-22 production stop. It seems to me that he F-22 would be a useful complement to the F-35, establishing air superiority for the F-35 to do its thing. And unit costs appear to be similar if you compare equal production runs. The Japanese are looking to replace their aging F-15s and F-16s, but have balked at buying the F-35. Maybe we can keep the F-22 line running by selling it to them.
11 posted on 12/13/2011 11:48:36 AM PST by riverdawg
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Lockheed, also, had the Marine 1 contract pulled. Dems are notorious for eliminating defense budgets. Where do they think wealth comes from? It comes from developing the high tech and producing it. They cut it all and wonder where all the money went. Then we start from scratch again. This president didn’t stop there though, he went after NASA as well. Busy boy our ‘bams.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 11:54:34 AM PST by tioga ( Holder lost the guns, Corzine lost the money, Obama lost the jobs....a dem trifecta.)
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didn’t mcpain play a pivotal role in getting this thing shut down???


13 posted on 12/13/2011 11:56:22 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Myrddin

I agree that those negative pressures do exist, and would undoubtedly cause hick-ups. None the less, you hope to get back enough of the original knowledge base so others can be brought up to speed quickly and the project completed.

I don’t view your comments as adversarial. I appreciate you bringing up this aspect of the effort.

It sure burns my ass to see the Republican Congress not protect this assembly line.

We must have a follow on to the current fleet of aircraft. Drones are nice, but there will be a need for manned aircraft too.


14 posted on 12/13/2011 12:05:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: joe fonebone

Well he certainly had his mouth wagging negatively about it.

This guy has f-d us more times than our worst foreign enemies.


15 posted on 12/13/2011 12:08:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: tioga

The Navy kept adding requirements to the helos to the point that it was just too damn heavy to fly.


16 posted on 12/13/2011 12:10:54 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Robe

F22 is the new F15, F35 is the new F16/F117.

Different roles with complementary capabilities, not the same missions though.


17 posted on 12/13/2011 12:12:37 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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As a former Naval Aviator.. I find single engine aircraft difficult to make the ship in an engine out situation.


18 posted on 12/13/2011 12:20:37 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe

snicker...I hear ya, but it’s not unprecedented.


19 posted on 12/13/2011 12:28:23 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Robe
The F-18 the engines are clustered together. As a former helicopter pilot, an engine failure involving twins in clustered nacelles like seen in the F-18 often results in one engine taking out the other during a malfunction.

Looking at aircraft like the F-14 or even the the A-10 the engine nacelles are separate, by some distance, I always assumed this was done to protect one turbine from the other.

I guess my question is, does having a twin engine aircraft like the F-18 negate the advantage of have twin turbines by housing them so close together?

20 posted on 12/13/2011 12:53:56 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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