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Meet the North Dakota family of anti-government separatists busted by cops
Daily Mail via Drudge ^ | 12/13/2011 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 12/13/2011 11:36:00 AM PST by rightly_dividing

Full title:Meet the North Dakota family of anti-government separatists busted by cops using a Predator drone... after 'stealing six cows'

Meet the Brossarts, a North Dakota family deemed so dangerous that the local sheriff needed unleashed an unmanned Predator drone to help bring them in.

The Brossart's alleged crime? They wouldn't give back three cows and their calves that wandered onto their 3,000-acre farm this summer.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: brossart; domesticsurveillance; ihatecows; nd; northdakota; predatordrone
Did anybody else see this? I searched it and didn't see it on FR.
1 posted on 12/13/2011 11:36:06 AM PST by rightly_dividing
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To: rightly_dividing

Rustling and thievery doesn’t make em some kind of heros to me. You don’t get to just claim ownership of a few thousand dollars worth of cattle belonging to someone else, which stray onto your land. And kudos to the duputies who didn’t feel the pressing need to shoot it out with em when they showed up armed to try to keep their ill gotten gains.

They found a way to catch them unarmed later.


2 posted on 12/13/2011 11:46:15 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Historically we used to do a lot worse to cattle thieves in this country


3 posted on 12/13/2011 11:51:24 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rightly_dividing

guess they are members of the “Finders Keepers Party of America” the FKPOA.


4 posted on 12/13/2011 12:04:35 PM PST by DManA
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To: rightly_dividing

Hang em’ high.


5 posted on 12/13/2011 12:05:35 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: DManA

Of course, all of us, the Tea Party, and anyone that doesn’t want the government controlling every aspect of our lives

will be lumped in with these people.


6 posted on 12/13/2011 12:08:45 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: rightly_dividing

Old hippies


7 posted on 12/13/2011 12:10:21 PM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: rightly_dividing

I am not sure how much of this is true. I think the government protests too loudly.


8 posted on 12/13/2011 12:30:37 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Hang em’ high.

Not as easy as it sounds - there's no trees in NoDak.

9 posted on 12/13/2011 1:20:06 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

A freind of mine once told me come on out to ND and stand around we need the wind break.


10 posted on 12/13/2011 1:27:38 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: Chickensoup
I am not sure how much of this is true. I think the government protests too loudly.

We have not heard the full of this here in North Dakota either. At no point has anyone heard that the sheriff had a warrant to enter the property nor have we learned that the cattle were actually recovered from the ranch. I, too, will resort to arms to prevent government agents entering my property without permission or a warrant. Just because some neighbor who may not keep up his fences claims I have his stray cattle is not grounds for a warrant. If I do have his cattle as a result of them wandering through down fences that are responsability of the neighbor, he is liable for damages.

11 posted on 12/13/2011 1:46:20 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

If you look up local coverage, yes there was a warrant and yes the cows were recovered from the Brossart farm and they’ve been charged with theft and defying an estray order.

Interestingly, the name of the owner of the cattle seems to be kept out of the media. I do wonder if Brossart refused to return the cattle when asked by the owner and then the sheriff became involved.

Seems as if this family is not a good neighbor.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 3:09:12 PM PST by Valpal1 (Worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he does not want because you think it good for him.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Non-rhetorical question from city boy: what damage can a cow do this time of year? Aren’t all the crops harvested? Cow poop is good for the land.


13 posted on 12/13/2011 4:39:18 PM PST by DManA
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To: rightly_dividing
When the cattle wandered onto the Brossarts' land, Sheriff Kelly Janke, who patrols a county of just 3,000 people, rounded up some sheriff's deputies and arrested Mr Brossart for failing to report the stray livestock.

As it stands that statement opens up a lot of questions.

14 posted on 12/13/2011 4:49:24 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: rightly_dividing

Posse Comitatus Act?


15 posted on 12/13/2011 6:52:25 PM PST by Robert Lomax
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To: TigersEye

Not in cattle country it doesn’t. Many western states still have open range designated areas. No rancher can keep up 100’s of miles of fencing, 100% of the time. Cattle push old fenceposts over using them for scratching posts. And in treeless NoDak, every fencepost is a scratching post.

The laws in these states have long required ranchers to report stray cattle to the sheriff’s department so their brand can be identified and their owner notified. Not to mention that the owner might have notified the sheriff regarding missing cattle and their suspected whereabouts.

The Brossarts appear to have been engaging in a little opportunistic cattle rustling. Just hang on to the 3 cows until they’ve weaned the calves then mingle the calves with your own and brand them. You are now 3 calves richer and their mothers can be turned out on the side of the road to wander off again.


16 posted on 12/14/2011 10:51:50 AM PST by Valpal1 (Worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he does not want because you think it good for him.)
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To: Valpal1
The Brossarts appear to have been engaging in a little opportunistic cattle rustling.

That's what I mean. That is an assumption not supported by anything in the article which brings up several questions.

Was there any contact with the Brossart's before arresting them for not reporting the strays? (nothing in the article) Is there a reasonable expectation that they would notice six cows on 3,000 acres? (nothing in the article) Is it usual to make an arrest for non-reportage of trespassing livestock? (nothing in the article) Has there ever been a previous incident wherein the Brossarts didn't report strays on their property and tried to keep them as their own? (nothing in the article)

Everything you said is all well and good but based on the article all of those questions are relevant and unanswered. I was born and raised in Colorado so trying to edumacate me on the etiquette and realities of ranch country isn't necessary.

17 posted on 12/14/2011 2:38:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Perhaps you shouldn’t trust the reportage of a British tabloid to be the last word on what is happening in in NoDak.

Some simple googling will turn up local news reports.

http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/10488/


18 posted on 12/14/2011 3:26:09 PM PST by Valpal1 (Worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he does not want because you think it good for him.)
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To: TigersEye

The real question is why the media left out all those important aspects. Perhaps they have an agenda of their own?


19 posted on 12/14/2011 3:35:47 PM PST by Valpal1 (Worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he does not want because you think it good for him.)
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To: Valpal1
Perhaps you shouldn’t trust the reportage of a British tabloid to be the last word on what is happening in in NoDak.

I wasn't. That was what was presented and that was what was under discussion. If you wanted to introduce additional information you could have done so before. But it's ridiculous to expect anyone to do a top to bottom investigation of a story before commenting on an article in a discussion forum.

20 posted on 12/14/2011 4:16:38 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Valpal1
The real question is why the media left out all those important aspects. Perhaps they have an agenda of their own?

Maybe they do. That's why I asked some pertinent questions.

21 posted on 12/14/2011 4:18:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
But it's ridiculous to expect anyone to do a top to bottom investigation of a story before commenting on an article in a discussion forum.

LOL, half the posters on this forum have their own agenda, too, many of them quite tin foil.

So yeah, I often research before posting.

22 posted on 12/14/2011 8:30:05 PM PST by Valpal1 (Worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he does not want because you think it good for him.)
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To: Valpal1
So yeah, I often research before posting.

You like to keep shifting the subject a lot too.

23 posted on 12/14/2011 8:39:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Also, how would anyone answer your questions using only the original first poorly written article?


24 posted on 12/14/2011 8:43:44 PM PST by Valpal1 (Worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he does not want because you think it good for him.)
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To: Valpal1

Did I say that anyone should or could answer them with just this article? No, I said that one statement in the article opened up a lot of questions. Basically I was pointing out the weaknesses of the article. For some reason you took exception to that.


25 posted on 12/14/2011 8:49:17 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

I just did not understand it. It seemed you were questioning the actions of the sheriff, not the article itself.


26 posted on 12/14/2011 10:48:16 PM PST by Valpal1 (Worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he does not want because you think it good for him.)
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To: Valpal1

Sorry for the confusion. I did quote a line from the article not a quote from the sheriff.


27 posted on 12/14/2011 10:59:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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