Skip to comments.Gingrich, Paul Virtually Tied for First Place in Iowa (PPP POLL: Newt-22, Paul-21, Mitt - 16)
Posted on 12/13/2011 12:13:15 PM PST by TBBT
Results from Democratic firm Public Policy Polling poll of likely GOP caucus goers: Newt Gingrich (22 percent), Ron Paul (21 percent), Mitt Romney (16 percent), Michele Bachmann (11 percent), Rick Perry (9 percent), Rick Santorum (8 percent), Jon Huntsman (5 percent), and Gary Johnson (1 percent). The polls margin of error is 4.2 percentage points.
Down in the weeds, PPP notices a couple of factors that might be contributing to these numbers:
Hes [Gingrich] also seen a significant decline in his favorability numbers. Last week he was at +31 (62/31) and hes now dropped 19 points to +12 (52/40). The attacks on him appear to be taking a heavy toll- his support with Tea Party voters has declined from 35% to 24%. Paul meanwhile has seen a big increase in his popularity from +14 (52/38) to +30 (61/31).
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“Democratic firm Public Policy Polling poll”, this is ALL you need to know about this “poll”!
Ron Paul, IIRC, always underperforms his poll numbers.
Probably because a large chunk of his supporters are too high to get up off their mom’s sofa, put down the bong, and go vote.
ppp = garbage and any poll that shows Paul at or near the top is most certainly garbage.
I will choose Ron Paul over filpfopping-pseudo conservatives Newt and Mitch.
They are going to keep attacking ANY frontrunner until they get Romney. The assault on Newt this week is really unbelievable. He was my third choice, but by God he’s better than Willard.
We better hope so...
What’s in the memoranda here... Newt folks better band with Myth folks to avoid a paul? Sorry, No dice... let the myth folks come to Newt.
Who would do better against Obama?
Ron Paul isn’t a conservative, but he masquerades as one, especially at election time.
In a vacuum of real conservatism, in a market that deeply hungers for it, you’re likely to get the closest facsimile.
Either way, the Republican Party deserves everything it is about ready to get, because it has become unprincipled.
I hope and pray the republic can survive it all.
The conservatives Bachmann and Santorum combined around 19% so conservative wing of GOP still has a real chance.
There is no difference between Newt and Mitt and Paul has zero chance anyway. Maybe better Paul to win IA so ethanol subsidy & Amnesty hack Newt is damaged, then Bachmann or Santorum can sweep the south as the conservative alternative. Mitt can keep NH.
There is clearly a path for a conservative. In anycase, the biggest threat is amnesty. If GOP nominee is openly pushing some form of amnesty, it will be passed. Tea Partie shave no role in those negotiations and leftists courts and future admins will fine-tune it. Besides, local boards in CA would legalize 100M illegals who show some sort of shady evicence of being illegal long enough here.
We can try conservative once. We don’t have to push another compassionate establishment amnesty republican.
You do realize Ron Paul isn’t a conservative either, don’t you?
He’s a Libertarian. Which means about half of his political positions are the exact same as Ralph Naders.
Do you consider Ralph Nader to be a conservative? Neither do I. Why then, support someone like Ron Paul that shares so many political positions with Ralph Nader?
PPP = Republican Obama would most like to face in 2012 poll.
there was always an outside chance that Paul could win Iowa.
But even if he does, it means nothing. Romney will win New Hampshire and Gingrich will win South Carolina, then Gingrich will win Florida and it will be over.
PPP is just trying to get Paul as many victories as they can. The Liberals are already plotting an “Operation Chaos” of their own, and planning to vote for Ron Paul in GOP Primaries.
That makes the election win/win for the Liberals.
Then YOU are flipping crazy.
The fact that so many here don't know what a conservative is gets us to this place. He/she is unelectable, so we must take the lesser of the two evils. hear that often enough and this is where you end up.
Gingrich describes himself, Realpolitik Wilsonian.
1. That’s a straw man.
2. Nobody I know of including myself is looking for the “perfect” conservative.
We do however take issue with those who claim to be or are labelled “Conservative” when clearly they are not.
Paul comes close...
The others do register in one or more areas...
Bottom line, this overall is not a good slate of candidates. THAT is the problem. The Republican establishment is doing everything they can to make it easy for the Democrat Party in the next election.
If the Democrat Party finds a way to eliminate Obama - the election becomes winnable for them.
If we have a “real” conservative as the nominee - we win no matter what the Democrat Pary does.
Remember PaulBots are NATORIOUS “Ballot-Box-Stuffers”!
Not one vote has been cast. Maybe folks should worry about supporting a strong conservative candidate rather than bandwagoning behind whoever is winning this weeks popularity contest.
Then, when an actual nominee seems to be emerging we can decide who to rally behind.
The Democrats love Paul. He is more like them than a conservative!!!
Note: This is the result of weekend polling.
Could this be why Paul is rising in the polls? On air in Iowa.
The IA race is now hand to hand. If you want Newt to win then you all better get you butts off of the net and go to IA...
I have been saying for some time that Ron Paul has an excellent chance of winning in Iowa. It will be his first and last win, it will hurt Newt some but the worst effect will be to encourage this tired old man to run as a third party candidate. He certainly has the ability to pull 5% or more of the GOP vote to himself. That is likely to be the difference between an Obama defeat and an Obama victory.
How many would stay home if Paul got the Nomination? Paul is who he is...not a Conservative but he’s not a Big Gov’t Progressive either. So if it was between Ron Paul or Mitt Romney or having 4 more years of Barry......
Perhaps...but voting for 9/11 truth, Code Pink aligned candidates doesn't make a great deal of sense either.
Yeah this is real conservative isn’t it:
This is what happens when people treat Paul as the “lovable oaf” on the debate stage and don’t give him any serious criticism.
“I will choose Ron Paul over filpfopping-pseudo conservatives Newt and Mitch.”
Started drinking a bit early today eh?
That’s not a response to what I said.
Even Paul is better than the creep we now have as President. If he gained the nomination, I’d vote for him because he couldn’t do any worse.
Of course not, but he's no libertarian, either.
Of course not, but he's no libertarian, either.
I still think Newt will pull it out.
In the IA caucuses it’s not just a matter of going to the polls and casting your vote. You have to devote the evening to the caucus. Reps for the various candidates speak, folks in the caucus speak and/or ask questions before any voting. Fascinating, but it does pretty much take up the voters’ entire evening.
And, IIRC, the caucuses are ‘open’ which presents another challenge with idle Dems thinking they might impact the GOP caucuses results. That’s less likely to happen in smaller towns where they have to live with their neighbors who know their politics.
I will choose Ron Paul over filpfopping-pseudo conservatives Newt and Mitch.Who is "Mitch"?
His conservative credentials are better than Newt or Mitch;