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Gingrich, Paul Virtually Tied for First Place in Iowa (PPP POLL: Newt-22, Paul-21, Mitt - 16)
The Corner ^ | 12/13/2011 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 12/13/2011 12:13:15 PM PST by TBBT

Results from Democratic firm Public Policy Polling poll of likely GOP caucus goers: Newt Gingrich (22 percent), Ron Paul (21 percent), Mitt Romney (16 percent), Michele Bachmann (11 percent), Rick Perry (9 percent), Rick Santorum (8 percent), Jon Huntsman (5 percent), and Gary Johnson (1 percent). The poll’s margin of error is 4.2 percentage points.

Down in the weeds, PPP notices a couple of factors that might be contributing to these numbers:

He’s [Gingrich] also seen a significant decline in his favorability numbers. Last week he was at +31 (62/31) and he’s now dropped 19 points to +12 (52/40). The attacks on him appear to be taking a heavy toll- his support with Tea Party voters has declined from 35% to 24%. Paul meanwhile has seen a big increase in his popularity from +14 (52/38) to +30 (61/31).

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 999plan; biggovt; cronycapitalism; fairtax; flattax; gingrich; influencepeddler; iowa; poll; pork
Like I said. Keep screwing around with your pursuit of the "perfect" conservative and you are going to wind up with Romney - or worse - Paul.
1 posted on 12/13/2011 12:13:20 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

“Democratic firm Public Policy Polling poll”, this is ALL you need to know about this “poll”!


2 posted on 12/13/2011 12:14:51 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: TBBT

Ron Paul, IIRC, always underperforms his poll numbers.

Probably because a large chunk of his supporters are too high to get up off their mom’s sofa, put down the bong, and go vote.


3 posted on 12/13/2011 12:17:34 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: TBBT

ppp = garbage and any poll that shows Paul at or near the top is most certainly garbage.


4 posted on 12/13/2011 12:17:40 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: TBBT

I will choose Ron Paul over filpfopping-pseudo conservatives Newt and Mitch.


5 posted on 12/13/2011 12:18:44 PM PST by ThinkingBuddha
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To: TBBT

They are going to keep attacking ANY frontrunner until they get Romney. The assault on Newt this week is really unbelievable. He was my third choice, but by God he’s better than Willard.


6 posted on 12/13/2011 12:19:41 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: TexasFreeper2009

We better hope so...


7 posted on 12/13/2011 12:20:06 PM PST by TBBT
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To: ThinkingBuddha
I will choose Ron Paul over filpfopping-pseudo conservatives Newt and Mitch.

Then you're an idiot.
8 posted on 12/13/2011 12:22:06 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

What’s in the memoranda here... Newt folks better band with Myth folks to avoid a paul? Sorry, No dice... let the myth folks come to Newt.


9 posted on 12/13/2011 12:24:13 PM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy our votes")
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To: TBBT

Who would do better against Obama?


10 posted on 12/13/2011 12:25:43 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: TBBT

Ron Paul isn’t a conservative, but he masquerades as one, especially at election time.

In a vacuum of real conservatism, in a market that deeply hungers for it, you’re likely to get the closest facsimile.

Either way, the Republican Party deserves everything it is about ready to get, because it has become unprincipled.

I hope and pray the republic can survive it all.


11 posted on 12/13/2011 12:26:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: TBBT

The conservatives Bachmann and Santorum combined around 19% so conservative wing of GOP still has a real chance.

There is no difference between Newt and Mitt and Paul has zero chance anyway. Maybe better Paul to win IA so ethanol subsidy & Amnesty hack Newt is damaged, then Bachmann or Santorum can sweep the south as the conservative alternative. Mitt can keep NH.

There is clearly a path for a conservative. In anycase, the biggest threat is amnesty. If GOP nominee is openly pushing some form of amnesty, it will be passed. Tea Partie shave no role in those negotiations and leftists courts and future admins will fine-tune it. Besides, local boards in CA would legalize 100M illegals who show some sort of shady evicence of being illegal long enough here.

We can try conservative once. We don’t have to push another compassionate establishment amnesty republican.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 12:26:49 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
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To: ThinkingBuddha

You do realize Ron Paul isn’t a conservative either, don’t you?

He’s a Libertarian. Which means about half of his political positions are the exact same as Ralph Naders.

Do you consider Ralph Nader to be a conservative? Neither do I. Why then, support someone like Ron Paul that shares so many political positions with Ralph Nader?


13 posted on 12/13/2011 12:26:58 PM PST by Brookhaven
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To: TBBT

PPP = Republican Obama would most like to face in 2012 poll.


14 posted on 12/13/2011 12:27:04 PM PST by magritte
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To: TBBT

there was always an outside chance that Paul could win Iowa.

But even if he does, it means nothing. Romney will win New Hampshire and Gingrich will win South Carolina, then Gingrich will win Florida and it will be over.


15 posted on 12/13/2011 12:27:38 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: TBBT

PPP is just trying to get Paul as many victories as they can. The Liberals are already plotting an “Operation Chaos” of their own, and planning to vote for Ron Paul in GOP Primaries.

That makes the election win/win for the Liberals.


16 posted on 12/13/2011 12:28:47 PM PST by TitansAFC (Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry are not your enemies, my fellow Freepers!)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

Then YOU are flipping crazy.


17 posted on 12/13/2011 12:31:39 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: TBBT
Keep screwing around with your pursuit of the "perfect" conservative

The fact that so many here don't know what a conservative is gets us to this place. He/she is unelectable, so we must take the lesser of the two evils. hear that often enough and this is where you end up.

Gingrich describes himself, “Realpolitik Wilsonian.”

18 posted on 12/13/2011 12:31:52 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: TBBT
Meanwhile, support for Paul is on the rise, particularly among younger voters and voters who identify themselves as "new.", Among likely caucus-goers under age 45, Paul leads Gingrich 30-16. The numbers are nearly flipped for caucus-goers over age 45. - Business Insider

IOW - Paul's support is coming from the least likely group to actually get off their arse and go vote.
19 posted on 12/13/2011 12:33:37 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

1. That’s a straw man.
2. Nobody I know of including myself is looking for the “perfect” conservative.

We do however take issue with those who claim to be or are labelled “Conservative” when clearly they are not.

Newt ain’t
Romney ain’t
Perry ain’t

Paul comes close...
The others do register in one or more areas...

Bottom line, this overall is not a good slate of candidates. THAT is the problem. The Republican establishment is doing everything they can to make it easy for the Democrat Party in the next election.

If the Democrat Party finds a way to eliminate Obama - the election becomes winnable for them.

If we have a “real” conservative as the nominee - we win no matter what the Democrat Pary does.

=8-)


20 posted on 12/13/2011 12:35:00 PM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: TBBT

Remember PaulBots are NATORIOUS “Ballot-Box-Stuffers”!


21 posted on 12/13/2011 12:37:32 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: TBBT

Not one vote has been cast. Maybe folks should worry about supporting a strong conservative candidate rather than bandwagoning behind whoever is winning this weeks popularity contest.

Then, when an actual nominee seems to be emerging we can decide who to rally behind.


22 posted on 12/13/2011 12:40:23 PM PST by COgamer
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To: TBBT

The Democrats love Paul. He is more like them than a conservative!!!


23 posted on 12/13/2011 12:40:39 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: TBBT
Then you're an idiot.

Name calling is the refuge of people who cant have a discussion, or elaborate their own thoughts.
24 posted on 12/13/2011 12:45:34 PM PST by ThinkingBuddha
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To: TBBT

Note: This is the result of weekend polling.


25 posted on 12/13/2011 12:49:16 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

Could this be why Paul is rising in the polls? On air in Iowa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRdqGKA782A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The IA race is now hand to hand. If you want Newt to win then you all better get you butts off of the net and go to IA...


26 posted on 12/13/2011 12:49:19 PM PST by Fred (On Newt Gingrich - He is a sociopath, but he is our sociopath)
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To: TBBT

I have been saying for some time that Ron Paul has an excellent chance of winning in Iowa. It will be his first and last win, it will hurt Newt some but the worst effect will be to encourage this tired old man to run as a third party candidate. He certainly has the ability to pull 5% or more of the GOP vote to himself. That is likely to be the difference between an Obama defeat and an Obama victory.


27 posted on 12/13/2011 12:51:13 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: TBBT

How many would stay home if Paul got the Nomination? Paul is who he is...not a Conservative but he’s not a Big Gov’t Progressive either. So if it was between Ron Paul or Mitt Romney or having 4 more years of Barry......


28 posted on 12/13/2011 12:52:00 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: Brookhaven
You do realize Ron Paul isn’t a conservative either, don’t you?

His conservative credentials are better than Newt or Mitch; just compare their records.

Lets be realistic, true conservatives like Bachmann or Rick don't have a chance due to the establishment. In a contest between Newt, Mitch and Ron, Ron has the most conservative record.
29 posted on 12/13/2011 12:52:59 PM PST by ThinkingBuddha
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To: ThinkingBuddha
Name calling is the refuge of people who cant have a discussion, or elaborate their own thoughts.

Perhaps...but voting for 9/11 truth, Code Pink aligned candidates doesn't make a great deal of sense either.

30 posted on 12/13/2011 12:58:25 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: ThinkingBuddha

Yeah this is real conservative isn’t it:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=1495202


31 posted on 12/13/2011 1:05:44 PM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: TBBT

This is what happens when people treat Paul as the “lovable oaf” on the debate stage and don’t give him any serious criticism.


32 posted on 12/13/2011 1:11:10 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Heartless.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Perhaps...but voting for 9/11 truth, Code Pink aligned candidates doesn't make a great deal of sense either.

Ron Pual never said 911 was an inside job. Having troops around the world especially in the middle-east was one of the many contributing factors for 911.

I kow Islam is a vile religion, with along history of expantionist violence, but having military presence in their lands only play to their strengths not ours.
33 posted on 12/13/2011 1:17:02 PM PST by ThinkingBuddha
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To: ThinkingBuddha

“I will choose Ron Paul over filpfopping-pseudo conservatives Newt and Mitch.”

Started drinking a bit early today eh?


34 posted on 12/13/2011 1:22:20 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: ThinkingBuddha

That’s not a response to what I said.


35 posted on 12/13/2011 1:37:33 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: TBBT

Even Paul is better than the creep we now have as President. If he gained the nomination, I’d vote for him because he couldn’t do any worse.


36 posted on 12/13/2011 1:55:00 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Brookhaven
Do you consider Ralph Nader to be a conservative?

Of course not, but he's no libertarian, either.

37 posted on 12/13/2011 2:59:44 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Brookhaven
Do you consider Ralph Nader to be a conservative?

Of course not, but he's no libertarian, either.

38 posted on 12/13/2011 2:59:59 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: RockinRight

I still think Newt will pull it out.


39 posted on 12/13/2011 3:11:32 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TBBT

In the IA caucuses it’s not just a matter of going to the polls and casting your vote. You have to devote the evening to the caucus. Reps for the various candidates speak, folks in the caucus speak and/or ask questions before any voting. Fascinating, but it does pretty much take up the voters’ entire evening.

And, IIRC, the caucuses are ‘open’ which presents another challenge with idle Dems thinking they might impact the GOP caucuses results. That’s less likely to happen in smaller towns where they have to live with their neighbors who know their politics.


40 posted on 12/13/2011 3:41:50 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: ThinkingBuddha
I will choose Ron Paul over filpfopping-pseudo conservatives Newt and Mitch.

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His conservative credentials are better than Newt or Mitch;

Who is "Mitch"?
41 posted on 12/13/2011 11:49:25 PM PST by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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Thanks TBBT.
42 posted on 12/14/2011 6:23:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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