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Realtors: We Overcounted Home Sales for Five Years
CNBC ^ | Dec 13 2011 | Reuters

Posted on 12/13/2011 7:22:15 PM PST by WilliamIII

Data on sales of previously owned U.S. homes from 2007 through October this year will be revised down next week because of double counting, indicating a much weaker housing market than previously thought.

The National Association of Realtors said a benchmarking exercise had revealed that some properties were listed more than once, and in some instances, new home sales were also captured.

"All the sales and inventory data that have been reported since January 2007 are being downwardly revised. Sales were weaker than people thought," NAR spokesman Walter Malony told Reuters.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: homesales; housing; realestate; unbelievable; unexpected
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

and on top of this California is going to raising taxes!?. Give me a break liberalism is not only a joke it is pure evil.


21 posted on 12/13/2011 8:08:02 PM PST by GOP Poet (Time for Bambi and his commie crew to go.)
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To: WilliamIII

Here’s a novel idea: forget the benchmarking and just accurately count the actual number of sales.

How friggin’ hard can that be?


22 posted on 12/13/2011 8:09:51 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: WilliamIII

AKA: This is the lie that corrects our previous lie.


23 posted on 12/13/2011 8:10:58 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: American in Israel
The Bible has something to say in principle about this:

Micah 6:11 "Can I justify wicked scales And a bag of deceptive weights?
Micah 6:12 "For the rich men of the city are full of violence, Her residents speak lies, And their tongue is deceitful in their mouth.
Micah 6:13 "So also I will make you sick, striking you down, Desolating you because of your sins.
MIC 6:14 "You will eat, but you will not be satisfied, And your vileness will be in your midst. You will try to remove for safekeeping, But you will not preserve anything, And what you do preserve I will give to the sword.
MIC 6:15 "You will sow but you will not reap. You will tread the olive but will not anoint yourself with oil; And the grapes, but you will not drink wine.

I don't about all of you, but what the Lord says about dishonesty DOES scare me. And, then there's this passage:

Proverbs 20:23 Differing weights are an abomination to the Lord, And a false scale is not good.

I don't have any more comment...the Lord states it pretty clearly.

24 posted on 12/13/2011 8:12:47 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: WilliamIII

Well that sucks. But is the Realtor count the count we actually use? Seems like we’d go by county sales numbers....


25 posted on 12/13/2011 8:15:35 PM PST by moehoward
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To: WilliamIII

Ah, Jan 2007. Unemployment was under 5% and the ‘RATs just took over Congress.


26 posted on 12/13/2011 8:16:41 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: WilliamIII

“......Sales were weaker than people thought,” NAR spokesman Walter Malony told Reuters.”

Ah so...note the old shared blame trick. “....sales were weaker than people thought”

Who kept the records? Was it the people that thought the sales were better!?


27 posted on 12/13/2011 8:19:54 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: WilliamIII

Thats nice.

Hey Though, i just sold my nice, sweet ranch home in an awesome neighborhood!.
I’m Moving into a crappy rental house next month!!
WooHooo.
CHANGE Baby, Change.
Just distributing my wealth is all.
Yea!

i feel good!


30 posted on 12/13/2011 8:37:28 PM PST by mowowie
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To: garbanzo
Wow. Just wow. All the people who traded on the fake numbers just have to eat the loss I guess. I wouldn’t stick one thin dime in this market under any circumstances.

Insiders run it all, it's completely manipulated.

31 posted on 12/13/2011 8:51:00 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: WilliamIII
All the sales and inventory data that have been reported since January 2007 are being downwardly revised. Sales were weaker than people thought," NAR spokesman Walter Malony told Reuters. "We're capturing some new home data that should have been filtered out and we also discovered that some properties were being listed in more than one list."

They captured more data when it entered low orbit and crashed outside Kansas City, where the data was miraculously recovered...

wow

32 posted on 12/13/2011 9:02:02 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: WilliamIII

Realtors caught lying, well that is a new one, normally they lie and never admit it.


33 posted on 12/13/2011 9:13:42 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: garbanzo

“All the people who traded on the fake numbers just have to eat the loss I guess.”

Scary; who believes anything these liars put out there anyway? Here in northern NJ, there is no way anyone could convince me that housing is doing well at all. I could either believe the media, or the forest of “For Sale” signs; even worse, there is now an undercurrent of older homeowners waiting to bail out of the market (and state) for the right price - any slight increase in home prices will dislodge thousands of these homes, flooding the market again. They can’t be picky because the property taxes are draining their retirement funds - they HAVE TO get out.


34 posted on 12/13/2011 9:18:45 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: WilliamIII
First this:

Data on sales of previously owned U.S. homes from 2007 through October this year will be revised down because of double counting, indicating a much weaker housing market than previously thought.

Then this:

The benchmark revisions will be published next Wednesday and will not affect house prices.

Funny stuff.

35 posted on 12/13/2011 9:53:55 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: WilliamIII

Anyone living in Florida knew that the home sales figures were bogus. Property values continue to drop


36 posted on 12/13/2011 10:04:58 PM PST by RealImmigrant (National Security begins at the Border)
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To: moehoward; Proud_USA_Republican; Lorianne; Notary Sojac; FromLori; HarleyD; Sherman Logan; Hildy; ..

Why would anyone make an individual home-buying decision based on aggregate sales numbers from NAR? You’re supposed to analyze comps in the neighborhood where you want to buy.


37 posted on 12/13/2011 10:36:08 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII
Why would anyone make an individual home-buying decision based on aggregate sales numbers from NAR?

You wouldn't, but if you are trying to encourage people on the sidelines to come out in play in a terrible environment, cooking the books to make things look peachy nation wide would be one way to go. I have been involved in Real Estate for years and there is one truism. An agent will always lie or hold back pertinent info if they think they can get away with it to make the sale. No reason to believe that a group run by agents and brokers would be any different.

38 posted on 12/13/2011 10:55:47 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: WilliamIII

It used to be that the realtor would be the one that would choose the appraiser for the buyer. In the case of a listing agent, the real estate agent might recommend that the seller hire an appraiser to determine what their asking price might be. Realtors learn which appraisers tend to low-ball their appraisal, so the word gets around and that appraiser won’t get any business from them any longer. (Realtors are known for having lists of “approved” home inspectors and appraisers.)

Slow sales mean that the seller might have to lower their asking price, which means a smaller commission for the realtor/broker.


39 posted on 12/13/2011 11:08:37 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: American in Israel; All

I don’t understand your “padding the books for Obama” when this started under the Bush Administration. If the Obama people had known about this they could have made a big fuss about it last election, then they could have claimed some improvement if there was any.


40 posted on 12/14/2011 12:11:11 AM PST by gleeaikin
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