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Wolves killed AK teacher; report adds new fuel to NW wolf war
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 13 December, 2011 | Dave Workman

Posted on 12/14/2011 3:54:54 AM PST by marktwain

With confirmation the other day by the Alaska Department of Fish & Game that at least two wolves were responsible for killing a young high school teacher, the debate about wolf management in the Pacific Northwest has erupted anew.

Good news: The argument has spread to Minnesota, where the assertion by a Cal State sociology professor who classified wolf opponents as militia nuts has been rebutted by a Minnesota state senator using reason rather than vitriol in relation to that state’s effort to de-list wolves as an endangered species.

In the mid-1990s, when the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service released 66 wolves in Yellowstone and central Idaho, most of the U.S. celebrated. The magnificent wolf, an icon of wilderness that humans had driven to extinction in the United States, would now reoccupy part of its old range.

But in the region where the wolves were introduced, the move was much more controversial.

Part of the reason was the increase, particularly in Idaho and Montana, in paramilitary militia advocates, with their masculine ideal of man as warrior who should fight the hated federal government, by armed force if necessary.—J. William Gibson, Cal State sociology professor

Here in Washington, hunters on the Hunting-Washington forum have looked at neighboring Idaho in an effort to see what is on the Evergreen State’s horizon, and they don’t like the looming picture. The discussion gets downright alarming here and here, while over on the Northwest Hiker’s forum, one wolf advocate tried to deflect the conversation about the killing of teacher Candice Berner by arguing that hunters kill more people than wolves.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; wa; wolves
There was a reason that we wiped out wolves in most places. They are a competitor for game, and are dangerous.
1 posted on 12/14/2011 3:54:59 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Wolves are a top predator, and will attempt to kill or drive off competing predator species. Or other wolf packs, for that matter.
2 posted on 12/14/2011 4:02:40 AM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: marktwain

We have merely missed the mark on where to repopulate the wolves. Instead of the great NW and Alaska might I suggest Washington, DC.


3 posted on 12/14/2011 4:10:37 AM PST by Machavelli (True God)
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To: Machavelli
We have merely missed the mark on where to repopulate the wolves. Instead of the great NW and Alaska might I suggest Washington, DC.

They'd never survive. LOL

The destruction these animals have brought is incredible, loss of livestock, loss of dogs, and now humans. I can't even imagine what that poor woman went through at the end of her life.

4 posted on 12/14/2011 4:17:40 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: marktwain

When a shark chomps a person, its because “they confused them with a seal”.

When a gator chomps a person, its because “they confused them with a dog”.

Cougar apparently are easily confused concerning deer.

So what did the wolves think the teacher was? A moose calf perhaps?

Carnivores eat other animals, its what they do, and they care not that you are a person.


5 posted on 12/14/2011 4:21:45 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Machavelli

Has anyone read “Wolfen”? WHEW


6 posted on 12/14/2011 5:30:17 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: SampleMan
When a shark chomps a person, its because “they confused them with a seal”.

Most of the time when a shark bites a person, they spit him out and swim away. It does seem likely most of them don't like the way we taste.

7 posted on 12/14/2011 5:40:29 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: McGavin999

An Idaho report I read claimed that one gray wolf will kill up to 40 hoofed animals per year. The wolf only consumes about two dozen of the kills. The rest are just for sport.

Imagine how quickly an unchecked wolf population can decimate herds of elk, deer, and antelope. They’ll also take out young moose.

They drive these animals away from their feeding grounds to places that are not as fecund and also place stress on them which impacts negatively on health and breeding.

The gray wolves are a super predator and need to be kept in check. If they’re not kept in check by legal means, they will meet with all kinds of “accidents”.


8 posted on 12/14/2011 5:58:18 AM PST by randita (If you supported Palin, there's no way you can support Newt. They don't agree on much.)
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To: marktwain
"classified wolf opponents as militia nuts"

I'll tell you who's NUTS: the morons who want to cultivate these dangerous predators anywhere but zoos!

9 posted on 12/14/2011 6:39:06 AM PST by Savage Beast (The Left/Democrat Party = Decadence)
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To: randita

The wife and I were driving through the Idaho wilderness in 2007. There weren’t many places to eat in Elk City, ID. We were at the VFW post there and in conversations with the patrons in the bar, we learned that the outfitters’ were unanimously outraged at the decision, in which they didn’t have a vote. They make their livings taking hunters out in the bush to bag an elk. But the elk herds were being decimated by the recently-reintroduced wolfpacks from Canada.


10 posted on 12/14/2011 6:40:15 AM PST by Ax
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To: randita
I've had wolves in my garbage cans, neighbor had to run out and shoot one that had his dog by the neck. Trouble with wolves is their numbers grow and expand exponentially; then the wolf luvers use the courts and injunctions to stop any control efforts.

Actually, I enjoy hearing the wolves at 4 am ACROSS the river; just not in my backyard.

I've had wolves follow my dogteam on the river trail until they see me then disappear. When wolves & bear start hanging around people; you just shoot all of them and be done with it; then no problems for a couple years.

I simply can't imagine that girl not jogging with a pistol on her belt; reality in rural Alaska; sad that her ignorance killed her.

11 posted on 12/14/2011 6:40:52 AM PST by Eska
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; Shannon; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; ...
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12 posted on 12/14/2011 6:41:00 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: marktwain
Maybe these morons would like to bring back the smallpox virus and seed that into "the natural world". I'm sure there's a certain beauty in that too.

Talk about NUTS!

13 posted on 12/14/2011 7:00:48 AM PST by Savage Beast (The Left/Democrat Party = Decadence)
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To: marktwain
...one wolf advocate tried to deflect the conversation about the killing of teacher Candice Berner by arguing that hunters kill more people than wolves.

And more people have died in Ted Kennedy's (D-HELL) car than in all the nuclear accidents in the U.S. to date. So what?

14 posted on 12/14/2011 7:01:24 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Machavelli
We have merely missed the mark on where to repopulate the wolves. Instead of the great NW and Alaska might I suggest Washington, DC.

Good start. Rock Creek Park would be a good location. So would the be the Hollywood Hills, New York's Central Park, San Francisco's Presidio, Cape Cod, and Martha's Vineyard.

15 posted on 12/14/2011 7:02:22 AM PST by Wallace T. (Shoot, shovel, and shut up)
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To: Sherman Logan
Most of the time when a shark bites a person, they spit him out and swim away. It does seem likely most of them don't like the way we taste.

Where do you come by that information?

Sharks generally don't come back over and over to the same target. They take a large bite and swim away.

To the extent that sharks have troubles with people, its because most shark attacks are by smaller sharks that simply fail to severe bone or tear lose what they have bitten.

Larger Makos and Bulls have no issue killing people, and it is hard to imagine that a Great White that cuts large seals in half would spit us out.

Given the number of tires and license plates that come out of shark stomachs, I don't think our taste is an issue.

16 posted on 12/14/2011 7:16:30 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2875

A debatable issue, no doubt. But it is notable that many, probably most, shark attack victims are recovered relatively intact, though they often die from their wounds. People are seldom actually eaten.

Some scientists believe sharks have adapted to hunting humans as prey recently on the Mexican coast after consuming many hundreds of bodies dumped offshore by the cartels.


17 posted on 12/14/2011 7:34:53 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
But it is notable that many, probably most, shark attack victims are recovered relatively intact, though they often die from their wounds.

True of all shark attack victims, not just humans. Many seals wash up with one big bite taken out. Again, I think that humans are hit be smaller sharks in the U.S. because those are the sharks in the surf areas where humans are. Thus, they literally bite off more than they can chew.

The South Pacific is different. Big chunks are often taken off of people there.

18 posted on 12/14/2011 8:14:09 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: JimRed
And more people have died in Ted Kennedy's (D-HELL) car than in all the nuclear accidents in the U.S. to date.

Not actually true.

Three men were killed in an accident at the National Reactor Testing Station located about 40 miles west of Idaho Falls, ID on January 3, 1961 when the SL-1 experimental low power reactor exploded, releasing about 1,100 curies of fission products into the atmosphere.

This accident caused a change in the design of all subsequent reactors so that the removal of any single control rod could not cause the reactor to go critical.

It's an interesting incident. Check out SL-1 at Wikipedia.

19 posted on 12/14/2011 8:54:17 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: randita
Imagine how quickly an unchecked wolf population can decimate herds of elk, deer, and antelope.

Indeed

"It was recently reported that the IDF&G will get aggressive in managing the wolf population in that state’s Lolo region, where the elk herd has been decimated, primarily by wolf predation, from a high of 16,000 in the 1980s to about 2,000 elk today."

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20 posted on 12/14/2011 9:15:56 AM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: randita
There was a picture posted on this site not too long ago of what a pack of wolves did to a couple of hunting dogs. It was well beyond horrendous. I know a lot of dog people who cheered on the reintroduction of the wolves. I warned them then, but they are just beginning to find out the consequences now.

Farmers need to load up on Livestock Guardian Dogs and I don't mean only one or two per farm, I'm talking 6 to 8 dogs in order to keep the packs away from their livestock. These are vicious preditors.

21 posted on 12/14/2011 12:20:27 PM PST by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: rmh47
Three men were killed in an accident at the National Reactor Testing Station...

You're correct; I'll have to reword that to all the active nuclear power plant accidents.

22 posted on 12/15/2011 10:02:12 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: marktwain

shoot, shovel and shut up


23 posted on 12/15/2011 10:06:22 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: JimRed

LOL! I haven’t seen that new designation about Ted K.(D-Hell) I love it!


24 posted on 12/15/2011 10:14:42 AM PST by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: Citizen Soldier

Re: Ted K (D-HELL)- I can’t claim credit as I saw it used by another FReeper, to whom I’d give credit if I had any memory cells left!


25 posted on 12/15/2011 10:18:29 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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