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Was Federal Ruling Good for Family Planning Providers? ("uncompromising" Rick Perry)
Texas Tribune ^ | December 14, 2011 | Thanh Tan

Posted on 12/14/2011 4:38:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

The federal government's rejection this week of a state request to exclude certain providers — namely Planned Parenthood — from the Medicaid Women's Health Program came as a victory to some family planning advocates, and a travesty to others.

Sandie Haverlah, an Austin lobbyist for Planned Parenthood, said it's a great outcome because it buys advocates time and forces the state to re-evaluate its stance on trying to force Planned Parenthood out of business. "It means the state is probably considering their position,” she said.

But Fran Hagerty, chief executive of the Women’s Health and Family Planning Association of Texas, characterized the federal decision — which extends the program for three months while state officials decide whether to back down from their request — as “the ugliest possible scenario.” She fears the state will opt to end the Women’s Health Program rather than allow Planned Parenthood to continue to be part of it, and that 130,000 low-income women may end up losing out on cancer screenings and birth control.

Following legislators' direction last session, Texas' Health and Human Services Commission asked the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services for permission to operate the Women's Health Program without including clinics linked to providers that perform abortions. (No abortions are provided with Medicaid dollars, or through the Women's Health Program.) On Monday, the federal agency said no — and that doing so would violate the Social Security Act. Instead, federal officials offered to extend the existing program through March to buy time to negotiate a renewal agreement with the state.

On Tuesday, state health officials said they would consult with Attorney General Greg Abbott to determine how to proceed. But Gov. Rick Perry doesn't appear to be in a compromising mood. In a statement from the campaign trail, he said Texas is "committed to protecting life in Texas, and state law prohibits giving state dollars to abortion providers and affiliates — a fact the Obama Administration ignores."

If state officials decide to forgo the Women's Health Program in protest, Hagerty said major hospitals like the University of Texas Medical Branch and Parkland in Dallas would be able to maintain some semblance of family planning services, “but nothing like what we have now.” If the program does not extend past March, Hagerty said, community clinics would have to dramatically reduce services, lay off employees or shut down completely.

Perry is "blaming the feds and saying that this money was going to go to abortions. That’s a complete lie," Hagerty said. “This is a federal program, and they have any right to say you have to let every qualified provider participate. You can’t pick and choose who you like and don’t like.”

Nearly 130,000 women a year rely on the Women’s Health Program. About 46 percent of those clients go to Planned Parenthood clinics for nonabortion services like breast and cervical cancer exams, STD testing and birth control. In fiscal year 2010, HHSC reported that Planned Parenthood clinics received 44 percent of the program’s total reimbursements, making it the largest provider of Women’s Health Program services.

State Rep. Garnet Coleman, D-Houston, said the future of the program now rests with HHSC — and by default, with Perry, who appointed the agency's commissioner. He said the Legislature’s “draconian” restrictions against Planned Parenthood “have nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with giving women the right to go where they choose for family planning services.”

But abortion opponents are throwing the blame right back at the federal government. “By threatening to cancel the Women's Health Program in Texas, the Obama Administration is showing it would sooner deny tens of millions of dollars of medical services to low-income women rather than allow the State of Texas to cut off tax funding to Planned Parenthood,” Joe Pojman, the executive director of Texas Alliance for Life, wrote in an email.

State Sen. Robert Deuell, R-Greenville, said there is a quick solution to this entire debate. “The problem could be solved tomorrow if Planned Parenthood just renounces abortions and just does family planning and comprehensive care, which they’re capable of," he said. "Then we could provide a lot of family planning, and there wouldn’t be abortions and this problem would go away.”

Hagerty said family planning in Texas is trapped in a culture war, and that it's getting increasingly hard for providers to remain optimistic. “This is a political battle that we’re going to lose," she said. "There’s no winning here."


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KEYWORDS: abortion; federalfunding; life; plannedparenthood; rickperry; texas
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1 posted on 12/14/2011 4:39:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Rick Perry: STRONG -- YouTube [6,458,745 views]
2 posted on 12/14/2011 4:41:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This will bite Obama. What a smug punk. Now he's playing in the big leagues. Perry wont kiss his ass like McCain did.

Obama fears Rick Perry. He hates the guy because Perry dared to challenge him in deed.

Plenty get on radio or TV and challenge him but Perry has done it to his face, in the courts and in public as a sitting governor. Obama is a bully. Perry is the Pale Rider.

3 posted on 12/14/2011 5:04:02 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

You said it normy!!


4 posted on 12/14/2011 5:15:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Words fail me as I attempt to convey how little I care whether any legislation is good for “family planning providers.”

Well, actually, there are a lot of words I’d like to use, but I’m a lady and I won’t.


5 posted on 12/14/2011 5:37:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (Just let the people vote.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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6 posted on 12/14/2011 5:45:59 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This man is the strongest governor I have ever seen. He stands up for what he and his people believe in and won’t.....WILL NOT.....be pushed.


7 posted on 12/14/2011 5:57:18 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I for one don’t want Rick Perry anywhere near a stronger leadership position in this country. One of the greatest dangers to this country is the encroachment of Islam into our society. Rick Perry helped implement Arabic studies (please don’t call it Islam because it’s too obvious) into the schools in Texas. Now the parents find it’s being forced on them and need to fight to keep it out.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/07/mandatory-arabic-classes-coming-to-mansfield/


8 posted on 12/14/2011 6:08:14 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
Rick Perry helped implement Arabic studies (please don’t call it Islam because it’s too obvious) into the schools in Texas.

So, it's somehow a bad thing for Americans to be able to comprehend Arabic websites or hear first-hand what the "Palestinian" leaders say in-house?

Heaven help him if he tried to mandate Spanish.

9 posted on 12/14/2011 6:16:18 AM PST by Tribune7 (Say No To O)
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To: CynicalBear
YOU ARE A LIAR.

RE: Robert Spencer [communist], Justin Elliott (Salon) and Pamela Geller attacks on Rick Perry:

Dec 4, 2011 American Thinker (David Stein) response to hit piece on Rick Perry: Rick Perry and Sharia, and Robert Spencer “Robert Spencer posted an attack against me on this site regarding a series of articles I wrote last summer debunking the meme that Governor Rick Perry foisted "pro-Sharia" classroom materials on children in Texas schools. Although I hadn't planned to revisit the Perry/Sharia debate, the sheer nastiness of Spencer's attack has, in the words of Michael Corleone, "pulled me back in."

As I'm a guest here on AT, I can't be as verbose as I am on my own site. What I'll do, though, is provide a brief overview of this manufactured controversy.”…..

David Stein: Debunking the Rick Perry “Pro-Shraria” School Curriculum Myth

Amil Imani Governor Perry's Islam Connection ………”No matter how I tried, I couldn't reach the conclusion that this inclusion promotes Islam or is pro-Sharia. It seems that the mere fact that Islam is included in the curriculum represents supporting it. And with regard to the concern that the education curriculum Perry promoted is pro-Arab and against Israel, the evidence is exactly the opposite. …”

10 posted on 12/14/2011 6:16:54 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CynicalBear

FALSE

Your article is from Feb of this year.

Perry had nothing to do with that - in fact - Obama had everything to do with that since it was Federal Money.

“The Foreign Language Assistance Program (FLAP) grant was awarded to Mansfield ISD last summer by the U.S. Department of Education.” (NOTICE - Grant from US Dept of Education)

“The FLAP grant was awarded to only five school districts across the country, including Mansfield” (only one school district in TX applied for it but when parents found out about it - it was stopped in it’s tracks)

IT NEVER HAPPENED AND PERRY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Get your facts straight before you spit sheet like that out.

Did you even read your article?

Perry would never do anything stupid like that.


11 posted on 12/14/2011 6:19:49 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Tribune7

I would hope that most are not stupid enough to think that Arabic studies are not the camels nose under the tent. I don’t care if it’s directly teaching Sharia or not. Desensitization and the attempt to normalize the Muslim culture in schools is the first step. Perry DID work to help get this into the schools and to call me a liar indicates a desperation that I hit too close to home. People can look at the evidence and decide for themselves.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/07/mandatory-arabic-classes-coming-to-mansfield/


12 posted on 12/14/2011 6:26:33 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Go peddle your lies somewhere else. You’re disgraceful.


13 posted on 12/14/2011 6:27:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: TexMom7; Cincinatus' Wife; Tribune7

Take it up with those who report.

Rick Perry’s dangerous Muslim compromise;
http://www.prophezine.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=391:rick-perrys-dangerous-muslim-compromise&catid=41:top-headlines

Mawlana Hazar Imam signs agreement between the Ismaili Imamat and the State of Texas

http://www.theismaili.org/cms/900/Mawlana-Hazar-Imam-signs-agreement-between-the-Ismaili-Imamat-and-the-State-of-Texas

It’s been talked about here before.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2742014/posts

From the Aga Kahn development network.

The US State of Texas and the Ismaili Imamat sign a landmark cooperation agreement

http://www.akdn.org/Content/863

Looks to me like Perry has a rather cozy relationship with them. Another cozy with Muslims is not someone I want in the WH.


14 posted on 12/14/2011 6:56:07 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; Jim Robinson

Be sure to add these links to sites spreading crap like Perry’s daughter Sydney is married to a high ranking Imam and other such rot.

http://salon.glenrose.net/default.asp?view=plink&id=14123

http://www.tribtalk.com/showthread.php?p=497186

You are peddling lies and misinformation.


15 posted on 12/14/2011 7:07:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
>>Go peddle your lies somewhere else. You’re disgraceful.<<

I’ll post Perry’s own words at every opportunity and we will see who is disgraceful. If he is naïve enough to not see the danger that Muslims pose to this nation his words and actions should be shown to all who vote.

16 posted on 12/14/2011 7:08:54 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Jim Robinson

>>You are peddling lies and misinformation.<<

The Aga Kahn development network reported what happened and what was said.

The US State of Texas and the Ismaili Imamat sign a landmark cooperation agreement

http://www.akdn.org/Content/863

Was that a lie and misinformation?


17 posted on 12/14/2011 7:15:45 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

You are posting it to imply Gov. Perry is pro-Islam. That is your lie and that is your purpose.

I ask the readers to this thread to read my links.

CB — You are here posting with the primary goal of countering effective dissemination of information about Rick Perry’s campaign and to leave a false impression.


18 posted on 12/14/2011 7:26:03 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CynicalBear
Check this out
19 posted on 12/14/2011 7:27:57 AM PST by Tribune7 (Say No To O)
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To: CynicalBear; Jim Robinson
....If he is naïve enough to not see the danger that Muslims pose to this nation his words and actions should be shown to all who vote. ...

Gov. Rick Perry knows the dangers! He doesn't need some anonymous poster like you to tell him either. But that isn't your purpose for posting.


Ft. Hood shooting memorial

“You can’t tell me that America is not exceptional. You can't tell me that because I've seen it”

"Rick Perry has always remained faithful." -- First Lieutenant Daniel P. Moran

[6:45] Medal recipients tell of their sacrifice and the sacrifice of their fellow heroes -- and why they support Rick Perry.

Hannity’s 3rd Freedom Concert - Perry on America heroes! 7 minute video

Nov. 11, 2011 VIDEO: Rick Perry interview Nov 11, 2011 in Columbia 25 minute video – starting around 4:00 – 12:00 Perry speaks at length about Iran, allies and national defense.

Rick Perry, Corps of Cadets 1969 TX A&M


Rick Perry served in the U.S. Air Force after graduating from Texas A&M

C-130 Rick Perry: He flew the world before politics …….

Perry could count on one hand the number of trips he had taken out of his home state by the time he graduated from Texas A&M University, but everything changed when he joined the Air Force.

Flying C-130s, Perry lived in Germany and Saudi Arabia. He flew in Central and South America, North Africa and all over Europe.

"I saw all of these different types of governments and I made the connections to how the people acted and looked, and it became abundantly clear to me that, at that particular point in time, that America was this very unique place and that our form of democracy was very rare," Perry said. " ... That was the greatest gift I received from my years of being in the military, and they really shaped my outlook on the rest of my life."

.....Upon graduation, he was commissioned in the United States Air Force, completed pilot training and flew C-130 tactical airlift in the United States, the Middle East, and Europe until 1977. He left the Air Force with the rank of captain, returned to Texas and went into business farming cotton with his father.

Perry Awarding Iraqi Service Medals

Texas Marines

Gov. Rick Perry participates in ceremonies at Camp Mabry to redesignate the 49th Armored Division as the 36th Infantry Division. The former 49th Armored Division, which consists of approximately 12,000 soldiers, makes up almost two-thirds of the Texas National Guard. The division's redesignation as the 36th Infantry Division is part of the Texas Army National Guard's transition from a heavy armored force to a more versatile infantry force.

Texas Gov. Perry receives a warm greeting from Ghazni Provincial Governor Dr. Usman Usmani at the flight line minutes after landing at Forward Operating Base Ghazni by UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter. Perry led a delegation of four other governors

Lt. Col. Thomas J. Kleis (R) briefs Texas Gov. Rick Perry (C) as Command Sgt. Maj. Peter P.A. Collins (L) listens on the intelligence gathering successes the 636th Military Intelligence Battalion has achieved during their last six months of duty

Texas Gov. Rick Perry stands with Texas service members from the 636th Military Intelligence Battalion, 71st Battlefield Surveillance Brigade and the 136th Military Police Battalion on July 20th under the Texas flag he presented to the 636th.


20 posted on 12/14/2011 7:32:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
>> CB — You are here posting with the primary goal of countering effective dissemination of information about Rick Perry’s campaign and to leave a false impression.<<

I post the facts give my opinion and let the reader decide.

21 posted on 12/14/2011 7:37:57 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Yes!

Let them.


22 posted on 12/14/2011 7:43:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I lived for 32 years in Iowa and I can assure you that I will do my utmost to give all those I know there all the information to make their own decisions.


23 posted on 12/14/2011 7:59:31 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Who is your candidate?

Ron Paul?


24 posted on 12/14/2011 8:03:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Absolutely not. At this point I have no candidate. All the really good ones seem to have died young. Not that I really expected a really good candidate could be elected in today’s America. I’ll speak out when I see risks and let the process play out. Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry however are all dangerous from my perspective


25 posted on 12/14/2011 8:17:36 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Get off it.

You can’t peddle that stuff here because the people here know the truth about Perry.

Telling a lie over and over again doesn’t make it true.


26 posted on 12/14/2011 8:22:32 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: CynicalBear

You know how much respect I have for people like you who delight in impugning other candidates but claim you have no candidate.

Is there a number less than zero?


27 posted on 12/14/2011 8:25:11 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: CynicalBear; Tribune7
Pure disinformation, CB. IF you are against Perry fine, but do not post information that has been disproved long ago. Find some verifiable, credible facts not this garbage.
28 posted on 12/14/2011 8:26:49 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: altura
>> Telling a lie over and over again doesn’t make it true.<<

What was the lie I told? If you point it out I will investigate and post the results.

29 posted on 12/14/2011 8:28:18 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I think you have a stealth candidate you are ashamed to name.

Bet anything it’s Ron Paul.

Have the courage of your convictions. Admit it.


30 posted on 12/14/2011 8:29:05 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: shield

>>Find some verifiable, credible facts not this garbage.<<

Is the information on this site in error?

http://www.akdn.org/Content/863

What information from the following is in error?

http://www.theismaili.org/cms/900/Mawlana-Hazar-Imam-signs-agreement-between-the-Ismaili-Imamat-and-the-State-of-Texas

Are there provable errors in the following account?

http://www.prophezine.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=391:rick-perrys-dangerous-muslim-compromise&catid=41:top-headlines

Is the following not a quote from Perry?

“It is a great honor to be in the presence of the Imam of 16 million Muslims around the world, a global humanitarian leader, a man of peace with a pluralistic vision for people around the world, His Highness, the Aga Khan, the 49th Hereditary Imam of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims. Your Highness, on behalf of 23 million Texans, and over 600,000 thousand Muslims living in Texas, I extend our heartfelt appreciation for your 50 years of great international leadership. We are delighted to welcome you to the Lone Star State and participate in the celebration of your Golden Jubilee. I am also grateful to the many federal, state and local leaders in attendance tonight. By their presence, these special guests convey the profound respect that exists in the Western World for His Highness’ work and leadership.”


31 posted on 12/14/2011 8:36:06 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: altura
>>Have the courage of your convictions. Admit it.<<

You’re right, it’s Sarah Pallin.

32 posted on 12/14/2011 8:38:11 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
This has all been debunked before.

But if you insist:

http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/1945

Salon.com recently pulled a neat little trick, one that is currently paying great dividends The liberal mega-site recently ran a piece that essentially accuses Governor Rick Perry of being a “pro-Sharia candidate” (complete with a ridiculously crude photoshopped image of Perry standing next to a Muslim crescent).

Of course, the title of the piece, “Rick Perry: The Pro-Sharia Candidate?” ends with a question mark. Ha ha! It’s not an accusation – it’s just a question! Aren’t we clever, Salon.com.

And where does Ms. Geller link to back up her claim? Salon! Okay, do you see the humor here? Pamela Geller is relying on SALON!

Salon – one of the most Islam-friendly, Muslim-huggin’, “Ground Zero Mosque”-embracing sites on the ‘net – a site that DETESTS Pamela Geller and rips her at every opportunity – has now become Ms. Geller’s source for the “truth” about Rick Perry.

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Alana Goodman of the Jewish magazine Commentary reported that she received an email from an associate of Frank Gaffney saying they have no problem with the progressive Ismaili sect, who are a persecuted minority in Saudi Arabia and that Perry’s meeting with the Aga Khan would actually make him unpopular in that Mideast country.

The Aga Khan IV has received countless awards from countries around the world, including many from the US for his philanthropy and contributions to architecture.

His step-mother was the actress Rita Hayworth whose daughter (the Aga Khan’s half sister), Yasmin, has raised more than $42 million for the Alzheimer’s Association (Rita died from the disease).

He is recently divorced from his wife, Princess Inaara Aga Khan (born Gabriele Homey) who in 2007, travelled to ISRAEL at the invitation of Shimon Peres, to support peace-building projects among Israeli and Palestinian children and meeting with regional leaders to promote tolerance as the foundation for peace in the Middle East.

In 2005, the UN and Aga Khan hospital in Nairobi hosted an emergency drill in collaboration with the ISRAELI EMBASSY.

Aga Khan family are doing good deeds throughout the world and are moderate Muslims who promote peace with ISRAEL.

Perry is very pro Israel.

He gave one speech and according to Geller he’s a PAL??? {Rita Hayworth’s step son}.

He said a speech at “Americans for Tax Reform” and Norquist just happen to be there - so that makes him his PAL???

Plus her article sounds like an ad for her new book.

More vomit and more garbage being spilled regarding Perry.

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Was Reagan a Conservative Nightmare????

http://simerg.com/special-series-his-highness-the-aga-khan-iv/literary-reading-part-ii-worldwide-honours-for-prince-karim-aga-khan-underline-impact-of-ismaili-imamats-contribution-to-humanity-2/

November 20, 1985: The late US President Ronald Reagan meeting with Soviet General Secretary Gorbachev at His Highness the Aga Khan’s mansion, Maison de Saussure, during the Geneva Summit.

President Reagan and Former First Lady Nancy Reagan had stayed at La Maison de Saussure, an 18th Century chateau a few miles north of Geneva and the Geneva home of Prince Karim Aga Khan.

President Ronald Reagan of the USA and his wife Nancy Reagan took over the Aga Khan’s 18th century Maison de Saussure in a village near Geneva as a base for the summit with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

President Reagan proclaimed at the end of that summit that he and Gorbachev had found a key to super-power peace (1985-11)

33 posted on 12/14/2011 9:02:11 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: CynicalBear
Sarah Palin ENDORSED Rick Perry for Governor.
34 posted on 12/14/2011 9:09:33 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: TexMom7
I’ve seen and read all of those dancing around the edges articles and apologetics but have noticed that not one addresses the issue of the insidious creeping Sharia that ALL Muslims have as their goal. Europe played that same game over the decades until today they have all but lost the battle.

Scripture tells us that even wishing them “God speed” makes us partakers.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Those who would pander to the Muslims in this country have gone well beyond that and Perry is one of them. As a Christian I will stand firm on the words of scripture. I will speak out about the dangers to America by the willing and complicit attitudes of those who don’t stand firm against the growing danger to this country by Muslims of any stripe.

35 posted on 12/14/2011 9:23:16 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: TexMom7
>> Sarah Palin ENDORSED Rick Perry for Governor.<<

I have forgiven her that indiscretion. I do believe at that point it was the lesser of two evils but hadn’t at that point really looked at Perry’s history. I have however let her know that backing someone who is light on defense against the creeping Muslim problems would be problematic for future support.

36 posted on 12/14/2011 9:31:49 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: TexMom7
Sarah Palin ENDORSED Rick Perry for Governor.

Rick Perry ENDORSED Rudy Giuliani for President the last time around over much more conservative candidates. Perry was telling America that Giuliani was the best and most conservative choice. Should we support Rudy Giuliani?
37 posted on 12/14/2011 12:38:27 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: CynicalBear

You’re a LIAR!


38 posted on 12/14/2011 12:39:26 PM PST by Katarina (Rick Perry the Best man for President ! NEVER Romney! Thank God for FR.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Awesome post CW!!!!!


39 posted on 12/14/2011 12:41:42 PM PST by Katarina (Rick Perry the Best man for President ! NEVER Romney! Thank God for FR.)
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To: TexMom7

Great post andn information. Thank yo uso mcuh. I am so sick of the lies from the rinos here at FR.


40 posted on 12/14/2011 12:43:39 PM PST by Katarina (Rick Perry the Best man for President ! NEVER Romney! Thank God for FR.)
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To: CynicalBear
Let's look at what one of the top conservatives in the country, Dr. Jack Wheeler says about your garbage:

Salon, put up this hilarious hit-piece Wednesday (8/09), Rick Perry: The Pro-Sharia Candidate? The kid who wrote it, Justin Elliott, is wonderfully ignorant of what he's blathering about.

His accusation is that Perry is buds with the Aga Khan. Somehow, that means he will promote the imposition of radical Moslem sharia law upon America if president. The Aga Khan is indeed, as Elliott says, the spiritual leader of a form of Islam called Ismailism, and is revered by the some 20 million Ismailis round the world.

We talked about the Ismailis in The Pamir Knot (September 2010). We learned that they "believe in a mystical, peaceful form of Islam that is the antithesis of hate, violence, and Sharia imperialism that infuses mainstream Sunni or Shia Islam."

Further:

"There are no mosques in the Pamirs, because Ismailis have no mosques. They pray privately - men and women together. Ismaili men are extremely respectful of women. The thought of treating women as an inferior form of humanity as does mainstream Islam is as disgusting to Ismaili men as it is to us. No Ismaili man would even think of demanding his wife wear a veil or cover her face in public...

"Up in these lost mountains on the roof of the world, there is a form of Islam that should be a model for Moslems all over the world, a moral contrast to the medieval evil of Wahhabi Islam of the Saudis, the Deobandi Islam of the Taliban, or the Khomeini Islam of the Mullahs of Iran."

Which is why the Islamist missionaries of sharia hate Ismailis more than us infidels. So good for Perry being friends with Ismailis. To claim this makes him "pro-sharia" is a twisted joke.

But maybe Elliott wants the joke to be on us. Maybe he does know the difference between Ismailis and Wahhabis, and is counting on conservatives being ignorant enough not to know. His goal is to smear Perry, and is hoping conservative ignorance will achieve it.

Let's not let this lib smear artist get away with it.

41 posted on 12/14/2011 1:31:29 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Katarina

Wouldl that be “getting personal”?

Rick Perry’s dangerous Muslim compromise; http://www.prophezine.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=391:rick-perrys-dangerous-muslim-compromise&catid=41:top-headlines

Mawlana Hazar Imam signs agreement between the Ismaili Imamat and the State of Texas

http://www.theismaili.org/cms/900/Mawlana-Hazar-Imam-signs-agreement-between-the-Ismaili-Imamat-and-the-State-of-Texas

It’s been talked about here before.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2742014/posts

From the Aga Kahn development network.

The US State of Texas and the Ismaili Imamat sign a landmark cooperation agreement

http://www.akdn.org/Content/863


42 posted on 12/14/2011 2:16:18 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: shield

Yep, they are the good Muslims. Right? They don’t use the Kora …..wait…..what?


43 posted on 12/14/2011 2:18:33 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
So in other words Rick Perry is:

Soft on immigration
Soft on border security
Soft on corruption
Soft on islamofacism

So when will Texas children be forced to bow towards Mecca five times a day?

44 posted on 12/14/2011 2:38:58 PM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: CynicalBear

You know what, I have met a lot of nice moslems and they’d give me the shirt off their back. I will pray for them, they are lost but being down on all moslems cuz of a few radical moslems doesn’t make sense.


45 posted on 12/14/2011 2:45:41 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield
They all use the Koran.

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

They are also told to lie to you to promote the conquering of Christians and Jews.

Qur’an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur’an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

Qur’an (9:3) - “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. Qur’an (2:225) - “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”

Qur’an (66:2) - “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

46 posted on 12/14/2011 3:00:13 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Wow. You take that pretty literal don’t you.

How do you feel about Matthew 5:44?


47 posted on 12/14/2011 3:32:02 PM PST by TexMom7
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To: CynicalBear

Have you ever studied the bible the Jehovah Witnesses use? OR the book of Mormon? Have you ever studied the Torah or the Talmud? All of these books are weird in their teaching...why not also focus on those books? Why are you singling out one group of people who many are extremely moderate and are ashamed of the radicals who are moselems.


48 posted on 12/14/2011 3:34:25 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: TexMom7
>>How do you feel about Matthew 5:44?<<

You absolutely pray that they will turn from their error. You however give them no quarter or wish them God’s speed.

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house,

49 posted on 12/14/2011 4:22:51 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: montyspython
So when will Texas children be forced to bow towards Mecca five times a day?

Hyperbolic drama-queen nonsense.

50 posted on 12/14/2011 4:22:59 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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