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Defense cuts could cost 1.5 million jobs: lawmaker
Yahoo ^ | 12/13/11 | David Alexander

Posted on 12/14/2011 5:36:17 AM PST by Libloather

Defense cuts could cost 1.5 million jobs: lawmaker
By David Alexander | Reuters – 12 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense cuts that begin in the 2012 budget will ultimately cost up to 800,000 jobs, and additional spending reductions could push that figure to 1.5 million over the next decade, a top Republican lawmaker testified on Tuesday.

Representative Buck McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said his panel estimated the initial $489 billion in defense cuts approved by Congress would cost 100,000 military jobs, mostly Army and Marines, as well as 200,000 civilian defense jobs and 500,000 defense industry positions.

"We're looking at ... between 700,000 and 800,000 jobs," McKeon told the House of Representatives Rules Committee during testimony about the compromise National Defense Authorization Act approved on Monday by House and Senate negotiators.

If a second tranche of about $600 billion in defense cuts takes place under legislation passed in August, he added, "that would take those jobs up to about 1.5 million."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: buckmckeon; cuts; defense; jobs; military
That can't help the unemployment number.
1 posted on 12/14/2011 5:36:22 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

The way this Administration counts they’ll spin as a good thing.


2 posted on 12/14/2011 5:44:05 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: Libloather

Its just the beginning. Over the next few decades, the cost of entitlements will crowd out any meaningful defense spending. Actually, this has been the trend since 1987.


3 posted on 12/14/2011 5:46:14 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Libloather

we need to cut defense along with everything else...if you’ve ever done business with the DOD you know that 30% or more is just waste


4 posted on 12/14/2011 5:47:40 AM PST by SPRINK
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To: maddog55

This is what liberals do best - decimate the military. What is sad is that you see a few of these “pro-gut the military” folks on FR. It’s time for a purge.


5 posted on 12/14/2011 5:48:00 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Libloather

But they’ll receive unemployment compensation so that’s a job stimulus, right?


6 posted on 12/14/2011 5:49:43 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Libloather

Are these actual cuts or just a decrease in the increase?


7 posted on 12/14/2011 5:51:23 AM PST by animal172 (A vote for a donkey is a vote for servitude.)
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To: Libloather

There are probably a lot of bloat in the military departments.

Many positions could probably be eliminated through proper use of technology.


8 posted on 12/14/2011 5:59:15 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Libloather.
Defense cuts that begin in the 2012 budget will ultimately cost up to 800,000 jobs...
Of course, so the proper Demwit response is to double down -- cancel that Keystone pipeline for example.


9 posted on 12/14/2011 6:01:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: ohioman

I work defense and it’s not looking good at all in 2013.


10 posted on 12/14/2011 6:01:38 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: SPRINK
if you’ve ever done business with the DOD you know that 30% or more is just waste

And still probably one of the most efficient uses of our money compared to other government agencies...

11 posted on 12/14/2011 6:02:46 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Libloather
That can't help the unemployment number.

So what, they can join the OWS and protest. The dims love that.

12 posted on 12/14/2011 6:03:45 AM PST by ProudFossil
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To: kosciusko51

Those government agencies will still use the same arguments - if you cut 10,000 jobs in this department, it means that 150,000 people will lose their jobs overall, etc., etc.


13 posted on 12/14/2011 6:05:20 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Libloather

“”2012 budget””

That’s cute - we didn’t even have a FY2010, FY2011 budget - where did the FY2012 budget come from?

We all knew the debt commission didn’t know what they were doing by putting the automatic triggers in there. If anyone in DC is paying attention, they’re going to have to pull some gimmick to forestall those triggers - UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION, of course!


14 posted on 12/14/2011 6:15:15 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: maddog55

You got that right. I guess my point was proven as I have already seen a “let’s gut the military” post on this thread. Can’t these fools see that the military is not the problem. The President is the problem!


15 posted on 12/14/2011 6:19:49 AM PST by ohioman
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To: animal172
Are these actual cuts or just a decrease in the increase?

The latter.

The arguments against military spending are the same as local governments' claiming that ambulances and police will be cut if their budgets are trimmed. There's plenty to cut in the military without affecting combat readiness: we could start by closing our bases in Germany.

16 posted on 12/14/2011 6:22:54 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: SPRINK
.if you’ve ever done business with the DOD you know that 30% or more is just waste

I would lean on the "or more" side of that statement.

I had a seven figure DOD project where my part was on time and way under budget and actually suitable for the task - so I was punished. Another office blew through their budget, so mine was plump fruit for the picking and if I wanted to keep my gig I would have to move. I declined the "favor".

Doing KT with the new party who were no where near as capable of doing the job, I overheard a conversation from the office manager that they were getting more business. Within days, calls were being put out to "spread the wealth around", and people who heard on the street that a contract was coming were dropping in to see if they could get in on the money.

In short, much DOD work is nothing but a jobs program. If an actual product comes forth from the effort then that is a bonus.

17 posted on 12/14/2011 6:26:02 AM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: SPRINK

Cutting defense is not the same thing as eliminating waste.

There’s a lot of waste that can be cut without affecting jobs. Prime example is in the logistics chain.. the $800 toilet seats may have gone away but there’s thousands of parts that have replaced them.


18 posted on 12/14/2011 6:28:57 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: af_vet_rr

>>And still probably one of the most efficient uses of our money compared to other government agencies...

Wonder what you are basing that on?...the military is good at going to far off places and killing people, no doubt about it, but they are also notorious for wasting very large sums of money...can’t quite understand how anyone believes there are not very substantial savings to be had EVERYWHERE in government, and that includes the military.

We are not taking about rationing bullets here, or cutting soldiers meals to once a day, but for every guy with a gun in their hand, there are probably 5 or more bureaucrats getting paid 3X as much for shuffling paper.


19 posted on 12/14/2011 6:39:02 AM PST by qwerty1234
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To: qwerty1234; af_vet_rr

I think you meant to reply to me. I am not saying that the DoD is efficient, just more efficient than other agencies. Also, at least the DoD existence is justified under the Constitution. We would be better served if the unconstitutional agencies were eliminated first.


20 posted on 12/14/2011 6:53:04 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Libloather

And Obamacare will cost three or four times that many. Yet they are somehow going to get that number under 8% by October.


21 posted on 12/14/2011 7:03:07 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: qwerty1234
Wonder what you are basing that on?...the military is good at going to far off places and killing people, no doubt about it, but they are also notorious for wasting very large sums of money...can’t quite understand how anyone believes there are not very substantial savings to be had EVERYWHERE in government, and that includes the military. We are not taking about rationing bullets here, or cutting soldiers meals to once a day, but for every guy with a gun in their hand, there are probably 5 or more bureaucrats getting paid 3X as much for shuffling paper. Many of those bureaucrats shuffling paper are trying to get the lowest possible cost for parts and support, and exerting fiduciary oversight to prevent fraud and abuse. You can't have it both ways: oversight and responsible spending costs money in its own right. TC
22 posted on 12/14/2011 7:17:56 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: qwerty1234
Wonder what you are basing that on?...the military is good at going to far off places and killing people, no doubt about it, but they are also notorious for wasting very large sums of money...can’t quite understand how anyone believes there are not very substantial savings to be had EVERYWHERE in government, and that includes the military.

We are not taking about rationing bullets here, or cutting soldiers meals to once a day, but for every guy with a gun in their hand, there are probably 5 or more bureaucrats getting paid 3X as much for shuffling paper.


You meant to reply to somebody else, because I agree with you that a lot of money is wasted when it comes to the military, especially when it comes to civilian contractors. I retired from the military, but I also worked as a contractor through a couple of companies, and I saw plenty of waste on both sides.

A big problem is the larger defense contractors spend a lot of money on lobbying the critters in Congress and a lot of waste and inefficiency is created when they spread jobs around. When you have a large system like a fighter where manufacturing is scattered across the country to basically bribe the Congress critters, a lot of money is wasted. When you have somebody who sits on their ass doing piddly work in a well-protected base or in a "green" zone, and they are making 4-5 times the amount that the guys in uniform that are protecting them are making, there's a problem.

When we started really pushing to reduce the size of the military and push a lot of jobs off on civilians, a lot of people claimed it would save a lot of money, but I'm not seeing it. It's pretty clear now that the defense industry saw that as a chance to line their pockets.
23 posted on 12/14/2011 12:21:23 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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