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Ron Paul Rising
NYTimes ^ | ROSS DOUTHAT

Posted on 12/14/2011 10:42:04 AM PST by JosephMama

The race for the Republican nomination may be coming down to Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney, but in the contest for the Iowa caucuses, their high-profile battle might still turn out to be a sideshow. The national party has spent the last two weeks resigning itself to a choice between the former speaker and the former Massachusetts governor. But Iowa Republicans may end up choosing between Gingrich and Representative Ron Paul.

In every post-Thanksgiving poll but one, Paul has been neck and neck for second place in Iowa. In most of them, he has lagged well behind the soaring speaker, coming in just below 20 percent while Gingrich hovers around 30. But a new Iowa survey, from Public Policy Polling, shows Gingrich leading Paul by just a single point, 22 percent to 21.

Moreover, the caucuses are not won by opinion polls alone. They’re won by the politician who can pack Iowa’s churches, libraries and community centers at 7 p.m. exactly on a frigid January Tuesday, and whose supporters won’t suddenly decide to back a different candidate during an hour’s worth of jawing, dealing and very public voting.

(Excerpt) Read more at campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; appeaser; commie; douthat; homosexualagenda; iowa; journalist; lron; newt; palin; ronpaul; rossdouthat
I laughed when I pictured Newton wearing a toga.
1 posted on 12/14/2011 10:42:08 AM PST by JosephMama
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To: JosephMama

More proof that the Obama media and polling continue their promotion of the useful idiot Paul. As long as he has value in polluting the GOP primary process with his kook libertarianism, they will pump him up with garbage polls.

When they are done they will roll out his vile loony newsletters to undermine him.


2 posted on 12/14/2011 10:46:53 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: JosephMama
The Paulies must be running low on drugs. Coming out and answering phones and such since they are sober and straight right now.

Won't last.

Thank God...

3 posted on 12/14/2011 10:47:03 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: JosephMama

seriously, if Ron Paul wins Iowa (which I don’t think he will) then Iowa should be stripped of it first in the nation status, because they will have made themselves the laughingstock of the US.


4 posted on 12/14/2011 10:47:19 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: JosephMama

“Just think of what happened after 9/11. Immediately before there was any assessment there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq,” Ron Paul Dec 8, 2011


6 posted on 12/14/2011 10:48:20 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: JosephMama

The Democrats have to do something.


8 posted on 12/14/2011 10:50:01 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: JosephMama

Ron Paul Thorazine Consumption Unfortunately NOT Rising


9 posted on 12/14/2011 10:51:16 AM PST by MindBender26 (Stop bothering me with minor issues. I'm too damn busy trying to save our country from Obamaism)
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To: JosephMama

How does an OWS sympathizer, anti- Semitic, anti defense of America ear mark king of congress have any traction at all.
The man is delusion and his supporters are as well.


10 posted on 12/14/2011 10:53:26 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Proud2BeRight
More proof that the Obama media and polling continue their promotion of the useful idiot Paul.

Journalists (Sarah Palin being a notable exception at the University of Idaho, a school that's probably not run by commies) are liars and will do anything to advance their communist and homosexual agendas. They are taught in J-School to hate America and to place stories to dismantle our legacy of Conservative values.

11 posted on 12/14/2011 10:53:55 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: JosephMama

Well, they are ‘high’


12 posted on 12/14/2011 10:54:56 AM PST by mnehring
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To: JosephMama

Just like a bad moon.


13 posted on 12/14/2011 10:57:27 AM PST by mk2000
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To: re_nortex

I’ve heard Sarah say some very nice things about Ron.

http://www.sarahnet.net/sarahnet-news/5936-video-gov-palins-dec-7-2011-eric-bolling-qfollow-the-moneyq-interview.html


14 posted on 12/14/2011 10:58:38 AM PST by JosephMama (Who to choose, who to choose...)
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To: JosephMama

Paul could only rise in the Dracula sense. Where’s a good stake when you need one? Medium well done please.


15 posted on 12/14/2011 10:58:46 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: JosephMama

I believe the Ron Paul vile, sick, wacky newsletters are informative.
I believe the Ron Paul blaming of the US for 9/11 is informative.
I believe the Ron Paul support of the OWS parasites is informative.
I believe the idiotic Ron Paul comments about Iran and North Korea is informative.
I believe a good look at the bulk of his cult is informative.
I believe Ron Paul frequenting nutcase conspiracy shows is informative.


16 posted on 12/14/2011 10:59:35 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: TexasFreeper2009
If Ron Paul wins Iowa (which I don’t think he will) then Iowa should be stripped of it first in the nation status, because they will have made themselves the laughingstock of the US.

I think that both Iowa and New Hampshire should have been stripped of their leadoff positions long ago. In particular, Iowa has a pernicious record of progressive populism dating back decades. This is the state that brought us Henry Wallace, a commie and Hussein Obama, yet another commie.

Personally, I advocate that Tennessee and then Oklahoma ought to displace Iowa and New Hampshire. Both states have a track record of sanity and Conservatism. And they are small enough so that an inordinate amount of money need not be spent to reach the voters. I think that the people of both Tennessee and Oklahoma are much more in touch with authentic American values than either of the two present states leading off the primaries.

17 posted on 12/14/2011 11:02:10 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: JosephMama


At a moment in time, even a drip can look like it's going up.

Drip, drip, drip...

18 posted on 12/14/2011 11:03:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Trust me, although I do have some praise for the man, he is by no means my first choice....he’s already gone.

I’m just so frustrated with Newt and Mitt.

So many great repubs out there, but they seem to be afraid of the media. Or they’re just biding their time for the 2016 election.

I cannot handle another 4 more years of what’s going on in this country.


19 posted on 12/14/2011 11:04:09 AM PST by JosephMama (Who to choose, who to choose...)
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To: re_nortex

I totally agree. I hate the primary process all together. My vote in GA is totally irrelevant even in the nomination process.

What are the cons to having all the primaries on one day? Then having run offs between the top 2 or 3...


20 posted on 12/14/2011 11:06:56 AM PST by JosephMama (Who to choose, who to choose...)
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To: JosephMama
I’ve heard Sarah say some very nice things about Ron.

That's just the always kind-hearted Sarah Palin being gracious and choosing her words carefully. Here in the venue of Free Republic, we can embrace the words of our leader:

"Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07.

21 posted on 12/14/2011 11:07:58 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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22 posted on 12/14/2011 11:09:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: re_nortex

I could live with either of those states leading things off, but I suspect many would object to another southern state being frontloaded.

Maybe another midwest state ... like... wyoming, nebraska, or kansas?


23 posted on 12/14/2011 11:09:55 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: JosephMama
Any Ron Paul thread posted is required to have this link attached:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2818292/posts

24 posted on 12/14/2011 11:10:16 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: re_nortex
"Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07. I agree with his sentiment. I am not anti war. But I don't want a war, especially after one like Iraq. If war is necessary then let's do it. But war mongering, in my opinion, is not the best course of action. I wish we could assist the Iranian people in a "Arab Spring" style revolution. We could provide NATO air support as we did in Libya, and let the Iranians die in the fight for their freedom.
25 posted on 12/14/2011 11:13:13 AM PST by JosephMama (Who to choose, who to choose...)
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To: Proud2BeRight

You forgot Ron Paul supports legalizing drugs and prostitution.
This alone marks him off my books.


26 posted on 12/14/2011 11:13:38 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: JosephMama
What are the cons to having all the primaries on one day? Then having run offs between the top 2 or 3...

From my perspective, a single "Super Primary" has the drawback of candidates focusing attention solely on the three large states of California, Texas and New York. It takes a massive amount of dollars to make the media buys in big markets. It also dilutes retail politics at the person-to-person level.

The present system has worked reasonably well up until the time that Iowa and New Hampshire moved to the left. The more I mull this over, launching the Republican Primary in Tennessee and Oklahoma (as I advocated a few posts back) looks like a reasonable solution. Oklahoma is a clear choice because not one county went for Obama in 2008. Although Tennessee did give us the despicable Al Gore, the fact that he was soundly rejected in 2000 shows that folks in the Volunteer State are right-thinking.

27 posted on 12/14/2011 11:15:26 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex
Tennessee and then Oklahoma ought to displace Iowa and New Hampshire. Both states have a track record of sanity and Conservatism.
Conservatism is exactly what the RNC and the GOP Elites do NOT want. It will never happen.
28 posted on 12/14/2011 11:15:46 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: JosephMama

My first choice and second choice are gone too. I will never vote for Ron Paul. He is NOT GOP. He is NOT conservative. He is NOT Tea Party. He is a libertarian, and a kook one at that. A back to back of nation destroyers, Obama then Paul would do the final destruction of the nation.


29 posted on 12/14/2011 11:16:50 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: re_nortex

I kind of like NH having a big say in the process since they’re surrounded by blue states. Ya need to know your enemy.

But Iowa just seems sorta pointless. Especially with the caucus style format. Everyone in your neighborhood knows how you voted. Too commie for me...


30 posted on 12/14/2011 11:18:29 AM PST by JosephMama (Who to choose, who to choose...)
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To: patriot08

You forgot Ron Paul supports legalizing drugs and prostitution.
This alone marks him off my books.
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You just don’t want us to have any fun.

(Chuckle, chuckle.)


31 posted on 12/14/2011 11:18:29 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Proud2BeRight

But Newt is a Bush clone! He’ll never get elected.

I’m afraid what I see happening is 0 getting reelected.

The pubs will take the Senate. That way come 2016 it will be a landslide election for the red states.


32 posted on 12/14/2011 11:21:04 AM PST by JosephMama (Who to choose, who to choose...)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I could live with either of those states leading things off, but I suspect many would object to another southern state being frontloaded.

I see you point but a case could be made that Oklahoma is a Midwestern state. Heck, it's got a suburb of OKC named Midwest City! :-)

Although I still like Tennessee and then Oklahoma, if I ran things, I'd be willing to alter it to Tennessee and Kansas. There's regional balance there and a good mixture of country, suburban and city voters.

33 posted on 12/14/2011 11:21:07 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: patriot08

If he flipped his position on dope smoking, a lot of his support would bail.


34 posted on 12/14/2011 11:21:07 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

Not a big RP person, but I’d hardly say the media’s treatment of Ron Paul has been anything approaching promotion. If the media promoted his economic (well, everything besides his wacky foriegn policy) views, that would be a better day for America, indeed.


35 posted on 12/14/2011 11:21:46 AM PST by dontgivein
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To: JosephMama

In 1996, Speaker Gingrich supported a Democrat-turned-Republican in the Republican House primary won by Ron Paul, who then defeated Democrat opposition in 1996-2010. The two are not friendly.


36 posted on 12/14/2011 11:26:49 AM PST by Theodore R. (I'll still vote for Santorum if he is on the March 6 ballot.)
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To: dontgivein

The media puking out liberal-based garbage polls as if they are fact “promotes” Ron Paul. The average person who pays attention to the liberal media these days don’t read anything further than the NY Times “Ron Paul Rising” headline.


37 posted on 12/14/2011 11:27:41 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: TexasFreeper2009

seriously, if Ron Paul wins Iowa (which I don’t think he will) then Iowa should be stripped of it first in the nation status, because they will have made themselves the laughingstock of the US.

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With modern communications, I question the whole concept of staggered primaries. Even if there are good reasons for the staggered dates, the states should be rotated. Loaded dice, working as intended.


38 posted on 12/14/2011 11:30:40 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: ejonesie22

“Won’t last”

Yeah, but up to now, we’d been promised that it wouldn’t start.

It has started.


39 posted on 12/14/2011 11:30:49 AM PST by Piasa Bird (ron paul)
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To: JosephMama

Iowa caucuses are coming. Beware of paulbot n00bs posting crap Ross Douthat articles from the Slimes.


40 posted on 12/14/2011 11:41:38 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Beware of paulbot n00bs posting crap...

Jim has done an exemplary job of zotting several over the past weekend, some even from the classes of '98 and '99.

41 posted on 12/14/2011 11:50:00 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland; humblegunner
Any Ron Paul thread posted is required to have this link attached:

And 'gunner's graphic ....


42 posted on 12/14/2011 11:53:18 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Piasa Bird

We better hope it ends just as fast then...


43 posted on 12/14/2011 11:53:31 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: JosephMama; Absolutely Nobama; Dr. Sivana; Allegra; lormand; mnehring; fieldmarshaldj
Iran already had its "Arab Spring" style revolution in the late 1970's overthrowing the pro-American Shah in favor of the Islamonazis under the Ayatollah Khomeini. That "Arab Spring style revolution resulted in what we now see in Teheran as well as this year's results in Cairo (ousting the pro-American Mubarak) and in Libya, ousting Qaddafi and installing what promises to be another Shia "law" nightmare.

Ron Paul sees no problem with any of this. He sees no problem if those radical regimes acquire nuclear weapons or biological weapons or other exotic weapons. After all, that's their decision according to the crackpot "non-interventionist" Dr. Demento. If we would just be nice to them, realize how very lovable the Islamonazis truly are and sell them whatever they want to buy (nuclear boomer subs, ICBMs, efficient modern breeder reactors, centrifuges, uranium, plutonium, or whatever) they will certainly love us!!!

Until they annihilate us and our Israeli and British allies, that is.

Providing NATO support just means having to consult and satisfy a wide variety of allies (some of whom may as well be playing for the other team), leading to strategic leaks to the enemy and limitation of goals as in Gulf War I. Enough! Unilateral action is the only way we should go to war from now on. If other nations want to join in, it must be on our terms. We executed Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for less back when America had a backbone. Granted that the Rosenbergs served far more capable masters.

The idea that the Iranian people will revolt and overthrow Ahmadinijad and the mullahs is a nice bedtime story but don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen. And it won't happen with Zippy the Pinhead being granted "letters of marque and reprisal" by a President Demento either, not even if he grants them blunderbusses as weapons and rowboats for transAtlantic travel and bicycles built for two for troop transport on land.

44 posted on 12/14/2011 1:37:01 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: ejonesie22

My fiancee’ just got a really nasty negative ad from Ron Paul regarding Newt. He sent back an unrepeatable answer to them. We also just found out Paul is advertising his spew on a neo nazi hate site stormfront.org. Real good Ron you crazy bedbug.


45 posted on 12/14/2011 2:01:56 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: JosephMama

Just a Few Examples of Ron Paul's Record

Foreign Policy

Ron Paul Says We Just Need A Few Submarines to Defend America

Ron Paul Goes Full Metal Truther
"And it’s… just think of what happened after 9/11. Immediately, before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq. So the war drums beat…" - Ron Paul

Associations

The Ron Paul Campaign and it's Neo-Nazi Supporters

Just a few examples from the article...

Paul campaign Solicitation on Neo-Nazi Hate Site

Domestic Policy

Ron Paul loves Pork Spending

REP. PAUL: I vote against it, so I don't endorse the system.
MR. RUSSERT: But when it passes overwhelmingly, you take the money back home.
REP. PAUL: I don't take it. That's the system.

46 posted on 12/14/2011 2:07:40 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: JosephMama
A couple of blocks from Zuccotti Park, October 2011:


47 posted on 12/14/2011 2:42:36 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Proud2BeRight
they will pump him up with garbage polls

I think you credit the polls with too much power and I don't think they're garbage. Something's happening in Iowa. I don't necessarily agree with it, but pretending it's a liberal media conspiracy will blow up in our faces in a couple days if Paul does as well as all the polls indicate.

Something is shifting.

48 posted on 12/14/2011 3:58:38 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: BfloGuy
I saw how Obama undermined each of his State Senate Democrat primary rivals in Illinois. I saw how Obama and the Illinois media undermined Jack Ryan to win the US Senate seat in Illinois. I saw how the Obama lapdog media won the 2008 election. I saw how the media undermined Sarah Palin, and Herman Cain (one accuser just happened to live in Axelrod’s building). I am now watching Gingrich and even RINO Romney get their detailed public colonoscopies.

When I see left-wing polls advertised by the likes of NY Times giving that nutcase Paul those kinds of numbers, I smell a rat.

49 posted on 12/14/2011 6:14:23 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: TexasFreeper2009
seriously, if Ron Paul wins Iowa (which I don’t think he will) then Iowa should be stripped of it first in the nation status, because they will have made themselves the laughingstock of the US.

They should have had their status stripped 4 years ago for starting Obama on his road to the White House.

50 posted on 12/15/2011 5:14:21 PM PST by Yankee (Welcome to Obama's Fourth Reich.)
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