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Revealed: huge increase in executive pay for America's top bosses
The Guardian ^ | Wednesday 14 December 2011 13.55 EST | Dominic Rushe in New York

Posted on 12/15/2011 4:48:26 AM PST by TSgt

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To: Jonty30
You must be one of those people that inserts apostrophes at the end of every word that ends with the letter "s" to try to look smarter.

It's not working.

41 posted on 12/15/2011 6:20:29 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

I do what I feel like, when I feel like doing it.

I’m not bound by rules, like you.


42 posted on 12/15/2011 6:40:30 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Happy Rain
If the board of directors think that is what they are worth then it’s nobodies’ damn business!

Ditto with the shareholders.

43 posted on 12/15/2011 6:42:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Williams
The boards are “incestuous” as you put it, because the directors are the biggest stockholders, meaning in essence they own the companies in large part.

Not necessarily true. I can remember owning more stock in a company I worked for than several members of the board....combined. BTW, this was a VERY large Fortune 500 company.

44 posted on 12/15/2011 6:46:58 AM PST by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLC - purveyor of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords. (202) 456-1414)
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To: TSgt
That sounds nice until you consider the incestuous nature of corporate boards.

Capitalism, like any other institution, requires maintenance. If capitalists get lazy and greedy (i.e. the corrupt back-scratching satirized in the "Dilbert" cartoon at the top of the thread), the institution decays and becomes incapable of sustaining itself against attack.

Some "capitalists" are a greater threat to capitalism than the entire OWS clown brigade put together.

45 posted on 12/15/2011 6:47:04 AM PST by Burkean Buckleyite
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

“It’s not working.”

For you either.
The substance of his comments were on target.


46 posted on 12/15/2011 6:47:31 AM PST by BilLies (Obama Allahu Akbar....the facilitator of the modern Caliphate from the Pacific to the Atlantic.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.

Indeed. The one regulation I would impose would be a ban on "golden parachutes", insuring that if the company fails, the executives personally go down with the ship.

47 posted on 12/15/2011 7:06:00 AM PST by Burkean Buckleyite
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To: TSgt

Sadly an indication that the Obama campaign to gin up class warfare in this country may succeed. And our corporate leaders can be counted on to help the effort along with impeccable timing.


48 posted on 12/15/2011 7:29:21 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TSgt

More attempts at class warfare, it is no one’s business how much CEOs make. What ever the make is neither taking money from anyone else or giving it to them. This is BS and goes along with the frickin’ OWS BS, trying to bring down capitalism.


49 posted on 12/15/2011 8:05:05 AM PST by calex59
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To: Jonty30
If it worked, I’d be fine with it too. But it’s not working any longer. Would you really say that American companies are out-performing the rest of the world?

Tell us how CEOs making money is causing the down turn in the economy. Don't you think that Government interference is actually the cause of the bad economy or haven't you been paying attention. The reason capitalism doesn't seem to be working is because this country isn't capitalistic anymore, it is fascism at its finest.

Over regulation, over taxation and stupid rules such at Nafta have brought our country to it's knees, not capitalism.

50 posted on 12/15/2011 8:10:31 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

One thing I do notice, when God was instructing the ancient Israelites was that wealth was not meant to be a permanent institution. At the Jubilee, all debts were cleared and all wealth was supposed to be relinquished. A person was free to create as much wealth as they could, but, if it had been obeyed, there could never be a continual concentration of wealth.

Now personally, I don’t care if somebody drives a fancier car or lives in a bigger home or has a much bigger wallet than I do. But I cannot help but wonder if a society can remain stable, if any small group within it is capable of gathering wealth to the point where they become permanently wealthy and is capable of ensuring that the rest of society is incapable of doing the same thing.


51 posted on 12/15/2011 8:43:32 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Jonty30
Businesses are not capable of keeping people down, on the contrary, they provide jobs and training and help move people up the wealth scale, anyone who can't see that has been blinded by communist propaganda.

You want to look at a permanent wealthy class? Look to your politicians, the same a**hats who decry a CEO for making money use insider trading and other unethical and illegal means to enrich themselves at tax payers expense. They provide nothing in return, they don't create jobs(government jobs don't count as they are dependent on the taxpayer for their paychecks). You are bitching at the wrong bunch of people if you want to end a "permanent wealthy class" in this country.

52 posted on 12/15/2011 9:01:36 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

I know. The effect is the same, regardless of whomever becomes part of the permanent priviliged class.

All my point is that, when that permanent class develops, it eventually destabilizes society. I wasn’t making an entreaty on the evils of wealth.

Wealth, in and of itself, is not an evil thing to have and I am thankful that our society is free to create it.


53 posted on 12/15/2011 9:06:25 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, then he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Roccus

tu salute. In any event, Some of the directors usually are major stockholders or controlled by large groups of stockholders. Ultimately they can’t hold on if they are not backed by a voting majority.

And of course, not every company is publicly owned. Or a family may retain control with a large percent even if they go public. No reason for the government to control what they make, either.


54 posted on 12/15/2011 9:13:27 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Williams
When a large company like that has three, possibly four members on the board (it was a while ago) that hold only 100 shares apiece, something is wrong. I remember talking with co-workers at the time (and we were labor, not management) that even excluding our jobs, each of us had more invested in the company's welfare than the board members.

...and as for that voting majority stuff, anyone who believes in the integrity of those votes is naive.

55 posted on 12/15/2011 4:40:53 PM PST by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLC - purveyor of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords. (202) 456-1414)
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To: Happy Rain

What capitalism? We no longer have a free market. What we have is crony capitalism that has an incestuous relationship with fund managers and mutual funds as well as the retirement funds held by unions and other entities. None of these are controlled by the real owners of those assets. The progressives on Wall Street have separated the owners from the means of production. In classical fascist fashion it’s not ownership that counts but control. Between them and their cronies in government the rest of us are being screwed big time. We haven’t lived in a free market capitalist system for some time now. The entrepreneurial and middle classes are being wiped out by the corp[orate statist collectivist machine...


56 posted on 12/15/2011 6:36:23 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique
Then vote for Rick Santorum.

Democratically elected Republicanism and capitalism are our saving graces and both are proven successfully American.

Have a better idea?

57 posted on 12/16/2011 11:21:25 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Having A Communist Joke In The White House Takes Graveyard Humor To New Heights.")
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