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Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income
See BS ^ | 12/15/11

Posted on 12/15/2011 5:33:19 AM PST by markomalley

Squeezed by rising living costs, a record number of Americans — nearly 1 in 2 — have fallen into poverty or are scraping by on earnings that classify them as low income.

The latest census data depict a middle class that's shrinking as unemployment stays high and the government's safety net frays. The new numbers follow years of stagnating wages for the middle class that have hurt millions of workers and families.

"Safety net programs such as food stamps and tax credits kept poverty from rising even higher in 2010, but for many low-income families with work-related and medical expenses, they are considered too 'rich' to qualify," said Sheldon Danziger, a University of Michigan public policy professor who specializes in poverty.

"The reality is that prospects for the poor and the near poor are dismal," he said. "If Congress and the states make further cuts, we can expect the number of poor and low-income families to rise for the next several years."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
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Obama is fuming because his programs are an utter failure. I knew that he was counting on far better numbers. Perhaps 2 in 3 or 3 in 4.
1 posted on 12/15/2011 5:33:21 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Tipping point here we come.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 5:35:54 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: markomalley
"Safety net programs such as food stamps and tax credits kept poverty from rising even higher in 2010, but for many low-income families with work-related and medical expenses, they are considered too 'rich' to qualify,"

The safety nets don't prevent poverty, they simply spread it around and encourage it. Hell, people on welfare live better than I do.
3 posted on 12/15/2011 5:36:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: markomalley

That must be the 50% paying no Federal Income Taxes......

The problem with government “charity” is the motivation to continually expand the dependent class.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 5:37:30 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: cripplecreek

And the vast majority of the folks on the dole are too stupid to realize that they are voting to strangle the economy that has kept them in the style to which they’ve become accustomed.


5 posted on 12/15/2011 5:40:31 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: markomalley; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...

This countries immigration policies both legal and illegal the past 15 years or so have been a disaster. We were told we needed all these immigrants to fill the unfilled jobs of our ‘growing economy’, presumed to keep wage inflation in check. Our trade policies need a close look at also.


6 posted on 12/15/2011 5:41:40 AM PST by sickoflibs (Man we are screwed!)
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To: markomalley

Our “poor” have big screen TVs and smart phones. And most of them are obese.

Most of the world would love to be “poor” in America.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 5:41:42 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: markomalley

More likely this “study” was commissioned by Obama2012 for use in tv commercials to convince the voters we need four more years of the redistribution of wealth. After all, it is all the fault of the rich,and who better to punish the rich than the Democrats?
Just watch.


8 posted on 12/15/2011 5:42:48 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: markomalley

Most of the rising costs of living are caused by government regulation and intervention in the private sector IMO.


9 posted on 12/15/2011 5:44:59 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Travis McGee

Our “poor” have big screen TVs and smart phones. And most of them are obese.

Most of the world would love to be “poor” in America.

***

Totally agree. Where I live, they also carry REALLY nice designer purses, wear designer boots, clothes, drive SUV’s, and seem to shop all day long with about 3 kids each hanging off of them. They also seem to push really nice strollers throughout the mall and usually leave with loads of bags after a day of shopping. As I often find myself dithering over how to spend my last 20 bucks for the month leftover after taxes, I often find myself becoming very envious of them.


10 posted on 12/15/2011 5:46:12 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: G Larry

Obama’s base.


11 posted on 12/15/2011 5:49:49 AM PST by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: sickoflibs
Wage inflation, sounds like a word from the chamber of commerce. If you have a real free market, the wage is set by supply and demand, when you want a third world economy you have unlimited slave like labor. The government does not give a damn about the people, they care about government.
12 posted on 12/15/2011 5:50:32 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: Travis McGee

I had a fellow from Cameroon tell me pretty much the exact same thing.

He was an engineer, living and working in Berlin. Spoke good German, friendly fellow.


13 posted on 12/15/2011 5:50:34 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: markomalley

When you define the dividing line for poor and rich as the middle of the income bell curve, by definition half of the sample will be poor. What a crock.


14 posted on 12/15/2011 5:50:39 AM PST by oncebitten (Obama: "A Big Ole’ Hunk of Nothing on Two Thick Slices of Nada.”)
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To: LibsRJerks

The sierra is going to hit the fan on the day that their ATM and EBT cards flash zero, and they are told “cash only” at the grocery store and gas station.

That will be the day our cities erupt.


15 posted on 12/15/2011 5:52:04 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: markomalley

Does everyone agree that continuing to let in millions and millions more additional (legal and illegal) poor, unskilled, uneducated, Democrat immigrants from third world countries is going to help?


16 posted on 12/15/2011 5:52:13 AM PST by CGalen
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To: Travis McGee

And most of them are obese.

Funny you should say that the picture on our local paper shows exactly that a black baby over weight being held by a black obese mother. Bet they all have flat screens,cell phones, A/C and a least one car probably newer than mine.


17 posted on 12/15/2011 5:52:44 AM PST by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, the rest of us are paycheck to paycheck. (minus the .32% who are to rich to faIL)


18 posted on 12/15/2011 5:52:52 AM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Truth29
Most of the rising costs of living are caused by government regulation and intervention in the private sector IMO.

Electricity and heating costs are killing me now because they're more than 3 times higher than they were a decade ago and almost all of that cost increase is a result of regulation and taxation.

My electric company recently decided against building a coal fired plant they spent a decade fighting for. In stead they're going to go with a wind farm because they get tax breaks for going green. Meanwhile the reduced reliability of wind power effectively creates an artificial increase in demand which drives prices up.
19 posted on 12/15/2011 5:53:08 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Wiser now
“More likely this “study” was commissioned by Obama2012 for use in tv commercials to convince the voters we need four more years of the redistribution of wealth. After all, it is all the fault of the rich...”

I agree with your premise. Ironically, those of us who are working hard will be the target. I'm not rich, but in the class envy world of the Obamanites I'm sure they would target me. I've just worked 24 hours straight, and have a full day ahead, but that doesn't matter. They'd still say I wasn't contributing enough, somehow.

I believe that the resentment runs so deep in some on the left, that they wouldn't be satisfied with total redistribution of wealth to the point of supposed equality. What some would really like is role reversal, and to take essentially everything from those they resent.

20 posted on 12/15/2011 5:53:45 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: markomalley

This piece is a report from the battlefield. The war on poverty has been lost. All the weapons created and used to fight and win the war have been for naught.

The war is lost

The Generals must be rounded up and eliminated.


21 posted on 12/15/2011 5:54:04 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: markomalley
Safety net programs such as food stamps and tax credits kept poverty from rising even higher in 2010, but for many low-income families with work-related and medical expenses, they are considered too 'rich' to qualify," said Sheldon Danziger, a University of Michigan public policy professor who specializes in poverty

There is so much fundamentally wrong with this I hardly know where to begin. Picking a random part "University of Michigan professor" OK what you have here is a taxpayer funded bureaucrat whose quantity of swill is determined by how much noise he makes. After all even though a public university trough is pretty big, you have an awful lot of hogs (academics) rooting, grunting and shoving to get as much as they can of it. SO he has every incentive to FIND non-existant problems in his field, and then to tout them as loudly as he can.

Safety net programs such as food stamps and tax credits kept poverty from rising even higher in 2010

Actually by taking money away from the private sector and hence away from business and capital formation these programs INCREASED poverty by reducing job availability. The public policy moron assumes that those out of work are incapable of shifting from one form of employment to another and their only recourse is to reach into the pockets of their hardworking fellow citizens. To the extent that the indolent indigent have ABSOLUTELY NO MOTIVE TO LOOK FOR WORK as long as the so-called "safety nets" are funneling money their way he is correct. Why work when you can get paid to do nothing?

low-income families

A couple of things here first who decides what is "low income?" My income is less than the top 1% does that make me low income? How many of these "low income" families have

Finally what gives someone the moral imperative to say OK my life choices were not as good as yours, so I make considerably less money than you, but I'm entitled to exactly the same level of material things as you, so I'm going to use the police power of government to rob you and pay me? Not sure how anyone justifies this.

who specializes in poverty

This is worth about 500 words alone, but what's the point? It's for the children (Do I really need to add the sarcasm tag?)

22 posted on 12/15/2011 5:54:08 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Truth29

Bingo.


23 posted on 12/15/2011 5:55:18 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: markomalley

That headline cannot be true in any real sense. One in two people are not poor or low income in any common sense use of those words. I don’t like the way things are headed either, and the case could be made that we are headed for disaster, but half the population is not poor or low income. Someone sent me an email the other day with photos form the Great Depression. THOSE people were poor and low income. And that was within the memory of some living today.


24 posted on 12/15/2011 5:55:57 AM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Travis McGee

I’ve never seen a starving poor person in my town, and we have hundreds of them tramping around the center of town.

And yes, many have cell phones, and some even have new laptops! You have to see it to really get the full effect.

And dont get me started on relatives that are on welfare but have flatscreen TVs and broadband internet while my TV is straight out of 1994.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 5:57:26 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: markomalley
In order to create more "poor" people, the government has quietly changed the functional definition of poverty:

"About 97.3 million Americans fall into a low-income category, commonly defined as those earning between 100 and 199 percent of the poverty level, based on a new supplemental measure by the Census Bureau that is designed to provide a fuller picture of poverty. Together with the 49.1 million who fall below the poverty line and are counted as poor, they number 146.4 million, or 48 percent of the U.S. population. That's up by 4 million from 2009, the earliest numbers for the newly developed poverty measure."

"The new measure of poverty takes into account medical, commuting and other living costs. Doing that helped push the number of people below 200 percent of the poverty level up from 104 million, or 1 in 3 Americans, that was officially reported in September.

Always look for the hidden agenda, folks.

26 posted on 12/15/2011 6:00:08 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

The Fox Piven plan calls for increasing poverty to the point of system wide collapse to open the way for marxism.


27 posted on 12/15/2011 6:01:54 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
"Ironically, those of us who are working hard will be the target. I'm not rich, but in the class envy world of the Obamanites I'm sure they would target me. I've just worked 24 hours straight, and have a full day ahead, but that doesn't matter. They'd still say I wasn't contributing enough, somehow."

Well, you have the ability and they have the need. Commissar Obama says redistribution is the fair thing to do..."

28 posted on 12/15/2011 6:03:22 AM PST by Truth29
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To: markomalley
"Safety net programs such as food stamps and tax credits kept poverty from rising even higher in 2010

Unlikely. Especially since those who make it their profession to create poverty statistics like to boost those numbers, so welfare and tax credits (applied after the adjusted gross income is calculated on the tax form) are usually ignored. In fact, since those programs generally suppress the value of work (at least on the books), many of them probably increase poverty as counted by the poverty pimps.

29 posted on 12/15/2011 6:04:15 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: Travis McGee
Our “poor” have big screen TVs and smart phones. And most of them are obese.

Most of the world would love to be “poor” in America.

- - - - - - - - -

I've worked in a place where 40 year old men often have never owned a pair of store bought shoes. They made their own sandals from the sidewalls of old tires. a couple lived in caves and others stacked up rocks to make a one room house covered in mud & straw.

In "town" they had a single pump for the village, with open sewers running beside the dirt road.

Most people have no concept of what 3rd world poor is really like. I've tried to share with my kids that vision but honestly, they have no concept.

30 posted on 12/15/2011 6:04:58 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: oncebitten

Exactly. Saved me a comment. Our biggest enemy remains an ignorant or a dependent voter. A test and an income tax bill should be required. Poll tax? Never happen (again).
and the test? It would eliminate a vast majority.


31 posted on 12/15/2011 6:07:48 AM PST by vortec94
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To: markomalley

The deomocratic strategy is brilliant. Destroy the middle class, put 1/2 of the country in poverty and who do they go for help? The democrats, of course, who will rob the successful to pay for their minions of dependents.


32 posted on 12/15/2011 6:08:18 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: markomalley

“The new measure of poverty takes into account medical, commuting and other living costs. “

The government keeps adjusting the threshold to incorporate more and more folks, expanding its sphere of influence.


33 posted on 12/15/2011 6:10:10 AM PST by Makana
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To: brytlea
Depression era poverty but I doubt these people simply sat on their butts and accepted it. My great grandmother managed to hold on to her home and keep the 5 kids together after her husband ran off. She took in laundry and rented rooms, her sons did work on local farms and did odd jobs etc.

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34 posted on 12/15/2011 6:10:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: markomalley

As I heard or read somewhere, either here or at church, globally speaking, if you flush your toilet with drinking water, you aren’t poor.


35 posted on 12/15/2011 6:11:55 AM PST by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: thackney

I so agree. I wish every “poor” American could spend time in a 3rd world shantytown slum with no running water or underground sewage pipes.

It would learn ‘em fast. They would kiss the ground when they landed back in LAX or JFK.


36 posted on 12/15/2011 6:13:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: tnlibertarian

Great point, I’ll remember that one and cite it often!


37 posted on 12/15/2011 6:14:13 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: markomalley

I guess most of us on this forum now are members of the unwashed 50%. Pretty soon, the Marxists will just assign everyone of us a member of the bottom 50% to clothe, feed, take shopping, pay for college, fetch lottery tickets and ripple. They can call it the Siamese Plan. “Hey Comrade, I just got home from the factory. Are you ready to go to Best Buy for the new router and iPad? Then we can swing by Taco Bell and share a burrito grande.”


38 posted on 12/15/2011 6:16:49 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: markomalley
"Obama... was counting on far better numbers. Perhaps 2 in 3 or 3 in 4."

Thirty something years of open borders' importation of third world poverty (tens of millions of illegals and even more of their offspring) has got us to 1 in 2 today.

But, fear not Obama! The continuation of the open-borders/path-to-citizenship/humane/not-heartless/amnesty bullshit of the democrats, and too many republicans & "conservatives," - even here on FR - will get us to the "2 in 3 or 3 in 4" soon enough.

That's when the leftwing will reach the demographic condition of pre-Castro Cuba, pre-Chavez Venezuela, etc., and America will be their prize.

39 posted on 12/15/2011 6:18:26 AM PST by drpix
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To: markomalley
If that's true, then the government "redistributing" what the non-poor people have will just make everybody poor.

Then again, equal-outcome is the goal, and that means smashing everybody down to the lowest common denominator.

40 posted on 12/15/2011 6:22:22 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: markomalley

Precisely what the muslim marxist wants.

Mission accomplished, for the most part, indeed:

http://www.lp.org/blogs/wayne-allyn-root/obama-mission-accomplished

Watch the stock market over the 3-4 months, it’s about to get a lot worse.


41 posted on 12/15/2011 6:47:08 AM PST by waus (FUBO UFCMF, Just in case I stuttered, FUBO)
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To: markomalley

This is pure bovine excrement.


42 posted on 12/15/2011 6:48:15 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: from occupied ga

Nicely done, spot on.


43 posted on 12/15/2011 6:50:22 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee

Exactly.

They are obese because the cheap foods that they eat are intentionally and specifically designed to make people fat.

It’s an evil relationship between the food companies and the “health” care industry.


44 posted on 12/15/2011 6:51:18 AM PST by waus (FUBO UFCMF, Just in case I stuttered, FUBO)
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To: markomalley

Half the people are below average? GOSH, what a surprise!


45 posted on 12/15/2011 6:54:58 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: markomalley

The word “poor” has lost all meaning here.

The vast majority of all the people who ever walked the face of the earth would be flabbergasted by all the wealth that the American “poor” have.


46 posted on 12/15/2011 7:04:34 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: markomalley

We’re all filthy rich by global and historical standards, but somehow a large portion of this nation has been convinced that they are “poor.”

Aw, the power of negative thinking! (Or victim mentality.)


47 posted on 12/15/2011 7:13:03 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: FreedomPoster

thanx.


48 posted on 12/15/2011 7:13:14 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Half the people are below the mean.


49 posted on 12/15/2011 7:16:34 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: markomalley

It’s easy when you can set the bar for what constitutes “low income” anyplace you want it to be.

Along with OWS and “We Are The 99%”, part of the campaign to convince 50.1% of the electorate that they are victims.


50 posted on 12/15/2011 7:25:40 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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