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Defense Bill Will Not Include Provision Legalizing Sodomy, Bestiality in Military
CNSNews.com ^ | December 15, 2011 | Pete Winn

Posted on 12/15/2011 6:47:19 AM PST by Zakeet

A House-Senate conference committee has put the military prohibition on sodomy and bestiality back into the final version of the National Defense Authorization Act.

A spokesman for the House Armed Services Committee told CNSNews.com Wednesday that the Obama administration had “made its pitch” on repealing Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice related to sodomy -- but the members of the conference committee “were not persuaded” that the change was needed.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: absolutemorals; bestiality; gay; homosexualagenda; military

No problem ... cause I'll just fix things with another Executive Order!

1 posted on 12/15/2011 6:47:26 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Wow.. some rare good news.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 6:52:41 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: Zakeet

The Democrats will be tossing little hissy fits all day long over the loss of their bestiality privileges.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 6:53:22 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Zakeet

How can you be a queer in the military if sodomy is outlawed? Or, for that matter, if you have to pass a drug test?


4 posted on 12/15/2011 6:53:42 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ScottinVA

Yes and no. Currently, “sodomy” is illegal between married couples in the military, so husband-wife oral sex is a court-martial offense that can lead to dishonorable discharge.


5 posted on 12/15/2011 6:55:44 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Zakeet

The K9 Corp is breathing a sigh of relief...


6 posted on 12/15/2011 6:56:30 AM PST by apillar
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To: muawiyah; JLAGRAYFOX; unkus; Doogle; Foolsgold; freekitty; MamaDearest; Forty-Niner; flat; ...

As per Rush, the Beltway boys in this Regime and this Congress are clueless, due to their arrogance and quest for power, to realize just how incensed We The People are. November 2012 can’t get here quick enough so we can clean the feces out of both Parties. Everyone I talk to wants “all” of them voted out in disgrace. Corrupt, amoral Career politicians need not apply.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 7:15:44 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Zakeet; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE :”Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice says that “(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense. (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.

So Dems and a few RINOs repealed DADT and now a soldier's homosexuality is legally out in the open in the military.(I assume this means the communication of those desires. ) But ‘sex’ between two of the same-sex =sodomy is still against the military justice code? Go figure.....

More ironic, the SCOTUS ruled that homo-sexual sodomy was a US constitutional right that cannot be outlawed by states repealing all those state laws, Thank Justice O Conner for that.

8 posted on 12/15/2011 7:18:18 AM PST by sickoflibs (Man we are screwed!)
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To: Zakeet
It will include holding American Citizens from US soil without trial indefinitely. Passed house last night.Drudge has many articles posted (a little late )
9 posted on 12/15/2011 7:28:59 AM PST by opentalk
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To: DBrow

I encourage you to check up on the meaning of sodomy. The queers like to claim that the Bible refers to oral with a woman as sodomy, but that simply isn’t true. It specifically means anal sex between two men. If the military has expanded the meaning, they’ve done so after believing homosexual propaganda. It would be great for them, the gays, if they could claim that almost anyone (someone who’s wife has given them a bj is also a sodomite, but that’s simply not true). Sorry.


10 posted on 12/15/2011 7:38:54 AM PST by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: Zakeet

But...but...but virtually every Republican Senator endorsed dropping sodomy and bestiality earlier this week. They don´t read what they vote on either?


11 posted on 12/15/2011 7:53:09 AM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: Zakeet

We came very close to being another Sodom and Gomorrah. We’re not out of the woods yet.


12 posted on 12/15/2011 8:08:53 AM PST by Evil Slayer
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To: sickoflibs
So Dems and a few RINOs repealed DADT and now a soldier's homosexuality is legally out in the open in the military.(I assume this means the communication of those desires. ) But ‘sex’ between two of the same-sex =sodomy is still against the military justice code? Go figure.....

I had thought at the time that this would have been a perfect chance to hoist the perverts on their own petard. Remember that DADT was a Clinton dodge to allow homosexuals to serve as long as they remained "in the closet" about their behavior -- as such, I never understood why conservatives fought so hard against its repeal.

The UCMJ wasn't being changed -- which was the fatal flaw from the liberals' perspective. By repealing DADT, they think they've allowed the perverts to serve openly, but technically, any who do "come out" expose themselves to court-martial via Article 125.

It would be a career-ender, but I'd just love to see an officer refer these degenerates to court-martial citing Article 125.

13 posted on 12/15/2011 8:17:33 AM PST by kevkrom (Separation of Business and State)
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To: kevkrom; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE :”The UCMJ wasn't being changed — which was the fatal flaw from the liberals’ perspective. By repealing DADT, they think they've allowed the perverts to serve openly, but technically, any who do “come out” expose themselves to court-martial via Article 125.

This is the part I am pondering. I assume what this means is they can state their desires but not be caught acting on them. How would this affect them negatively ? How about if they pair up with the same sex, the relationship turns bad (almost enviable) and one decides to get revenge on the other one who is in the military and turns him in for sodomy?

In addition add the potential complication of same-sex marriage in some states that they are sueing for to be recognized by the military.

Once you start defining civil rights protected class's based on personal desires little makes sense anymore.

14 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:18 AM PST by sickoflibs (Man we are screwed!)
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To: DBrow

Well I have NO problem with “sodomy” being illegal. Why anybody in their right mind would think the organ created by God to remove waste from the human body was created for sexual pleasure defies logic.The ban was instituted when our
Congress was yet run by Moral and Religious people who wanted
guidlines to encourage Morality in our Armed Forces.The the prohibition put an end to sodomy? or attempted sodomy? No But neither has it encouraged immorality and the spread of diseases commonly found bothering those who engage in such abnormal behavior.


15 posted on 12/15/2011 8:34:17 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: sickoflibs

Shall be punished— is a subjective clause in that the whole deal relies on inquiry and the unit commander has general control over such. Only rarely is the command to override the authority of the Unit Commander made manifest.


16 posted on 12/15/2011 8:37:35 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: sickoflibs

Is sodomy —or attempted sodomy a civil right? I have read somewhat reasonable reports that suggest sodomy is not a civil right.(at least it was not until the US supreme court tossed
Bowers v. Hardwick in Lawrence v. Texas,2003)


17 posted on 12/15/2011 8:42:50 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: StonyBurk

Assuming sodomy is limited to anal sex only is incorrect. Sodomy also includes oral sex...

Still support it being illegal?


18 posted on 12/15/2011 8:46:30 AM PST by RC51
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To: RC51
Sodomy also includes oral sex.

I do not believe that and challenge you to present something credible in your defense.

19 posted on 12/15/2011 8:53:15 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: StonyBurk
RE :”Is sodomy —or attempted sodomy a civil right? I have read somewhat reasonable reports that suggest sodomy is not a civil right.(at least it was not until the US supreme court tossed Bowers v. Hardwick in Lawrence v. Texas,2003

Read
Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003),[1]

20 posted on 12/15/2011 9:01:36 AM PST by sickoflibs (Man we are screwed!)
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To: youngidiot

I was using the Article 125 definition of ‘sodomy”, that is the definition that will get you imprisoned and discharged. Article 125 has been in place for some time now, before the homosexuals redefined “gay”, for instance.


21 posted on 12/15/2011 9:28:29 AM PST by DBrow
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To: upchuck; All
From a summary of Article 125.Warning, crude language.

“(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient
to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”

Elements.

(1) That the accused engaged in unnatural carnal copulation with a certain other person or with an animal. (Note: Add either or both of the following elements, if applicable)

(2) That the act was done with a child under the age of 16.

(3) That the act was done by force and without the consent of the other person.

Explanation.

It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person’s mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person’s sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.

Lesser included offenses.

(1) With a child under the age of 16.

(2) Forcible sodomy.

(3) Sodomy.

Maximum punishment.

(1) By force and without consent. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for life without eligibility for parole.

(2) With a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 but is under the age of 16 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.

(3) With a child under the age of 12 years at the time of the offense. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for life without eligibility for parole.

(4) Other cases. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.

Next Article> Article 126-Arson >

22 posted on 12/15/2011 9:34:23 AM PST by DBrow
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2820794/posts

Relevant thread.


23 posted on 12/15/2011 9:40:59 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Zakeet

I think this can be called “throwing stupid conservatives a bone”, because with the DADT repeal, this was just so much mustard.

What really matters is that everybody lost with the authorization for the military to detain American citizens (at the demand of the White House) without arrest, indictment or trial.

Does anyone in their right mind believe that unlike all the other Patriot Act anti-Bill-of-Rights laws, that are now used *exclusively* against American citizens for routine purposes, NOT against terrorists, that this will be any different?

The ONLY win in this foul bill was that the law was changed, so that the ultimately corrupt Attorney General Holder would no longer be able to order the military to arrest his political enemies; now Obama has to order the military to do it himself.

Which I do not find particularly reassuring.

So, what Americans are Obama’s political enemies, that he can now order the military to “detain”? Victims who will have no recourse in the federal courts for relief?

Rush Limaugh? The Koch brothers? Sarah Palin?

See, that’s the problem with having RINOs like McCain and Graham in the senate. They don’t seem to grasp the whole Bill-of-Rights thing, and are just fine with agreeing with liberals that it is just a scrap of paper.


24 posted on 12/15/2011 9:43:02 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: sickoflibs
I assume what this means is they can state their desires but not be caught acting on them. How would this affect them negatively ?

just means that 'enforcement' will now be on trial, as anybody that uses the UCMJ will be required to show cause in PC terms, and risk getting a scarlett letter in their own personnel file as being intolerant and biased...

sure, the sickest of the pervs can still be weeded out by law, but the practical effect is an open door to the closet, and the 'in yer face' homoagenda towards the avg soldier, who reasonably believed he was entering an organization where he could be free from certain societal issues, and allowed to do his job in peace, so to speak...

25 posted on 12/15/2011 10:11:01 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: youngidiot
I encourage you to read Article 125 of the UCMJ. The specific meaning of sodomy according to the UCMJ is any contact of the genitals with the mouth or anus.

Thus any soldier giving or receiving oral sex with his wife would be guilty of a Court martial offense worthy of a dishonorable discharge.

Now how many here think a soldier returning from deployment getting a blowjob from his wife should be cortmartialed?

26 posted on 12/15/2011 10:16:19 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: RC51

Sorry, I am wrong.


27 posted on 12/15/2011 10:20:14 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: allmendream; DBrow

Well that’s absurd. Another victory for the left.


28 posted on 12/15/2011 10:23:43 AM PST by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: DBrow

From “The Stars and Stripes”...

Even if Article 125 is removed, the UCMJ contains provisions under which troops can be punished. Article 134, for example, forbids “all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces” and “all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.” Breasseale said that would cover any and all animal abuse.

In fact, past instances of bestiality in the military have been prosecuted under that statute, instead of Article 125. The legal record dates back to 1957, when Pvt. Ricardo Sanchez was convicted of “an indecent act with an animal” under Article 134, even without specific wording prohibiting sex with animals.

In addition, before the potential language changes reached Congress, the Joint Service Committee on Military Justice drafted a list of punitive offenses under the UCMJ which specifically includes animal abuse. That is set to be included in the Manual for Courts-Martial, and will give clear guidance on what to do in such cases.

Breasseale said the change pending before Congress is truly just a legal clean-up effort, and will in no way endanger animals.

“It is difficult to envision a situation where a servicemember engages in sexual conduct with an animal that would not be conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline or service-discrediting,” he said.


29 posted on 12/15/2011 10:25:29 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: RC51

Yes —I do. while I served on active duty 69-77—Exclusion was
the policy and the law. In 69 I was drugged, raped and sodomized by a hyphenated American until the drugs he had added to whiskey began to wear off. I bled from my anus for 8 days I did NOT dare tell anyone the truth —even LIED to Army surgeons who repaired the damage he had done. simply because attempted sodomy —or sodomy are penalized under the UCMJ does not mean the unit commander will elect to proceed with inquiry. No inquiry—no penalty. The entire oral sex thing between a man and a woman appears a red herring.i.e. without merit.


30 posted on 12/15/2011 10:54:28 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: allmendream

Interesting, thanks. I think the House took out the repeal of Article 125, so both articles will be in force.


31 posted on 12/15/2011 12:11:07 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I served alongside Gays. They were good soldiers, and team players. Straight soldiers who decided one guy was Gay made fun of him, yet had gone to him to get patches and rank insignia sewn on.

Anti-Sodomy law in the military was established to stop the possibility of what would happen while on guard or on the battlefield.

Gays don’t engage in drugs anymore than straights.


32 posted on 12/15/2011 5:56:28 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Zakeet
No problem ... cause I'll just fix things with another Executive Order!

Did this happen?

33 posted on 01/16/2012 8:12:00 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: marbren
Did this happen?

Not that I know of ... yet.

With Obozo, however, all kinds of usurpation and evil are possible.

34 posted on 01/16/2012 9:20:22 AM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: Zakeet

The senate approved it 93-7 correct?


35 posted on 01/16/2012 10:08:00 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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