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Jobless claims at 3.5 year low (drops to 366K)
Reuters ^

Posted on 12/15/2011 7:19:36 AM PST by sunmars

The number of Americans filing new claims for jobless benefits dropped to a 3-1/2 year low last week and factory activity in New York state scaled a seven-month high in December, more evidence of a pick-up in economic activity.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits dropped 19,000 to a seasonally adjusted 366,000, the Labor Department said on Thursday. That was the lowest level since May 2008, and confounded economist' expectations for a rise to 390,000.

In a separate report, the New York Federal Reserve said its "Empire State" general business conditions index rose to 9.53 - the highest since May - from 0.61 in December.

The index was boosted by a strong rebound in new orders and an improvement in hiring.

"It all speaks to further stabilization and a very positive trend in the U.S. economy. Stability in the U.S. economy is going to be a vital part of stabilizing global GDP. This comes in a very good time," said Peter Kenny, managing director at Knight Capital in Jersey City, New Jersey.

The unexpected drop in claims last week pushed them closer to the 350,000 mark that analysts say signals labor market strength.

It offered further proof of increased momentum in the pace of economic activity, even though retail sales rose modestly in November. This is in sharp contrast to Europe, where the festering debt crisis has already pushed some economies into recession.

The Federal Reserve on Tuesday acknowledged the improvement in the jobs market, but said unemployment remained high. The jobless rate dropped to a 2-1/2 year low of 8.6 percent in November.

The U.S. central bank said the debt crisis gripping Europe was a big risk to the U.S. economy, which it described as "expanding moderately".

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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I call major BS, Goldman sachs already saying "suspiciously large" drop.
1 posted on 12/15/2011 7:19:40 AM PST by sunmars
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To: sunmars

It’s a year until the election. They are cooking the books a little early.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 7:21:58 AM PST by jersey117 (.)
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To: sunmars

Lots of part-time Christmas hires.

There will be a big drop in the January and February numbers.

And, 375,000 is NOT the number who randomly change jobs on average every month.

During the Clinton and Bush excellent years, that number was about 275,000.

So, in reality, jobs are being truly lost in that mix. And, so many actual JOBS have gone away that there are no SLOTS unfilled for economic reasons for workers to return to.

Obama has not just killed employment, he has killed SLOTS due to closed, down-sized, shipped overseas, and bankrupt businesses.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 7:23:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: sunmars

2 words “Christmas Hiring”. Wait until January’s numbers come out. Then “enexpected” will return.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 7:25:35 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: sunmars

2009 Obama: “I’ve got a way to bring these ‘new unemployment claims’ way down by 2011!
Look, if they don’t have a job then they can’t file for unemployment...”

No jobs = no new unemployment claims- it’s genius!


5 posted on 12/15/2011 7:26:06 AM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: US Navy Vet

2 words “Christmas Hiring”. Wait until January’s numbers come out. Then “enexpected” will return.

IF the media bothers to mention it at all. Besides, even in a country this size, you eventually start to run out of people to lay off.


6 posted on 12/15/2011 7:28:03 AM PST by Segovia
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To: sunmars

Wait until February, when 2M temporary Christmas jobs disappear.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 7:29:17 AM PST by pabianice (")
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To: sunmars

Gosh if everyone just gave up trying, there would be no unemployment.

At least that’s the way the Obama regime creates the numbers.

Creates. Not calculates.


8 posted on 12/15/2011 7:31:00 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("FREE TRADERS": Self-loathing Americans)
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To: sunmars

Don’t get too upset with this report people its “jobless claims” aka claims for unemployment benefits. It has no direct relation to real unemployment. Means more people’s benefits expired then people who had jobs lost them and applied to replace the ones dropping off the unemployment benefit roles.

It does not mean more people have jobs, it does not mean the economy is improving. It really is a meaningless statistic.


9 posted on 12/15/2011 7:32:09 AM PST by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: sunmars

The media spin on this is pure garbage. There is a much smaller labor pool to layoff.

As a matter of scale, 366 is still awful.


10 posted on 12/15/2011 7:32:19 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: jersey117
we all knew that the MSM would be reporting this and how things are turning, things are great etc. They have invested so much to get him elected that there is no way on this earth they will see their investment go to failure. The number as always will be adjusted, the MSM will not report that and it is funny hey how they reported the adjusted numbers under Bush and said Bush was trying to lie and manipulate .
11 posted on 12/15/2011 7:34:02 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIAS LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: sunmars

Jobless claims have dropped because there are so few jobs left to be lost.


12 posted on 12/15/2011 7:39:14 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: sunmars

It will continue to get better (on paper anyway) through next October.

Then, sometime after the election the ‘adjusted up’ numbers will be revealed.

[I think they will manipulate the UE down to around 6.9% by election day. They have already dropped it about 0.5% just in a couple of months, and they have about 10 more months to play with.]


13 posted on 12/15/2011 7:39:14 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: sunmars

Jobs are still lost, but we will not see increase in Unemployment %.

Just yesterday, my company terminated 280 jobs all over US, I think that number will add next week unemployment number or may not. Chances are majority of these people may not go for unemployment line.


14 posted on 12/15/2011 7:46:50 AM PST by jennychase
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To: sunmars
I call major BS, Goldman sachs already saying "suspiciously large" drop.

Yup, and they fail to mention the 3 million who have dropped off the rolls because their benefits have run out.

15 posted on 12/15/2011 7:52:51 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: sunmars

Note the explanation of the Hussein Heads’ “calculations”....

“Employers have been hiring at only a modest pace. But when applications fall below 375,000 — consistently — that usually signals that hiring is strong enough to lower the unemployment rate.”

http://news.yahoo.com/job-market-brightens-unemployment-claims-sink-140349775.html


16 posted on 12/15/2011 7:55:59 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: sunmars
Must be why Zero is surging in the Ras Daily approval poll and the RCP average.
17 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:01 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: sunmars

I bet $10,000 that this number gets quietly revised UPWARD in the coming Weeks.


18 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:15 AM PST by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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To: sunmars

I own a small business, with 16 employees. I used to have 46 employees, the last few years not being pleasant, but we have survived.

The private sector has been under seige with liberal policies hitting us at every turn. I don’t think my story is atypical, we have survived through hard work, the pain of letting people go, and the adoption of technology to enable efficiency.

We are now lean, and profitable.

The private sector is very, very, resilient and powerful. It’s like a weed, even Obama hasn’t killed us completely. We have re-trenched, and we’re seeing increased consumer activity.

The productivity gains were forced on us, but the productivity gains are there, and this is the reason you haven’t seen the inflation we should be seeing as a result of Obama and Fed policies.

I know one thing for sure-the economy will come back long before you read about it having done so. Econometrics is a rear view mirror only.

I want Obama out as much as any of you, but I’m not so sure we shouldn’t be preparing to defend economic growth that may be occurring, IN SPITE OF Obama. To say they are “cooking the books” may or may not be true, but I’m here to tell you I’m hearing things in retail, commercial real estate, and even construction that defy that conclusion. I could be totally wrong, my evidence is admittedly anecdotal, but something is definitely happening where I am.

There is a tremendous amount of pent-up demand accumulated during this the longest recession in recent memory, and at some point, in spite of the poor tax, regulatory, and investment climate, it could cause somewhat of an uptick, not a boom, but an uptick nonetheless.

We pooh-pooh these economic numbers at our peril, IMHO.


19 posted on 12/15/2011 8:07:32 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: sunmars

Temp Christmas season hires will be gone in a few weeks and other than adjusting this week’s number upward, which they always seem to do, the numbers will be bad again.


20 posted on 12/15/2011 8:12:48 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: wayoverontheright
The private sector is very, very, resilient and powerful. It’s like a weed, even Obama hasn’t killed us completely.

It certainly hasn't been for a lack of trying!

21 posted on 12/15/2011 8:16:12 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: jersey117

22 posted on 12/15/2011 8:16:49 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: sunmars

Tax Prep companies hiring too - how many of those finding jobs have only part time / seasonal employment? I’ll wait for the adjusted numbers in a week or so.


23 posted on 12/15/2011 8:18:03 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("At a time like this, we can't afford the luxury of thinking!")
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To: wayoverontheright
The private sector is very, very, resilient and powerful. It’s like a weed, even Obama hasn’t killed us completely.

Well, the liberal application of Jobs-B-Gon hasn't helped economic growth.

24 posted on 12/15/2011 8:22:50 AM PST by N. Theknow (Obama - 5 letters; loser - 5 letters; poser - 5 letters; cheat - 5 letters; idiot - 5 letters)
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To: sunmars

The “cook the numbers so the destruction of America can continue,” continues. How ‘bout that HUGH drop in unemployment last month? Yeah, right. Put some potatoes, carrots, celery and beef in with those numbers and we can have lunch.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 8:24:35 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: wayoverontheright

There are several trends I have noticed over the years that signal the real state of the economy.

First, when pizza delivery prices fall, the economy is in bad trouble. Prices in my area (town of 14k population) have dropped about $2.00 over the last 2-3 years.

Second, when old houses in my area have ‘for sale’ signs, that signals a good economy — because people are upgrading to newer homes. Fewer older homes have ‘for sale’ signs currently.

Third, when and increasing number of houses and apartments in my area have ‘for rent’ signs, that signals a decline in the economy. I have noticed a significant increase in the number of ‘for rent’ signs on dwellings, recently.


26 posted on 12/15/2011 8:25:37 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: sunmars

Seasonally unadjusted dropped somehow by a ridiculous 95,506. All those thousands of bankers being laid off this week must not be people - that explains it? And the stunner: those added to extended benefits was a whopping 332K, an unprecedent large number for a weekly change.

A new tactic of hiring in the professional ranks is: less than 6 month contract terms. Someone on unemployment accepts one of these positions and works for 5 to 6 months. Just shy of 6 mos, the contract is up and they are let go again. Not having worked 2 full quarters - in most cases they are not eligible for UE. They end up unemployed, again, and not eligible or counted.


27 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:05 AM PST by RobertClark ("Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: sunmars

Again, what is the participation rate? In the crapper as usual.


28 posted on 12/15/2011 8:33:26 AM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: sunmars

THe thousands of Santas and Toys R Us and mall part-timers will join the ranks of the unemployed on Christmas Day. If that doesn’t show up in the retail numbers for Jan., it will prove the government’s numbers are bogus.


29 posted on 12/15/2011 8:34:51 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: xzins

>>Lots of part-time Christmas hires. There will be a big drop in the January and February numbers.<<

Nope, the numbers are seasonally adjusted. I said months ago that given the massive monetary growth Bernanke has fostered, the economy would be picking up going into 2012. It’s happening, and it’s likely to continue.

We won’t win the next election by concentrating on a failing economy, because it’s improving. A better strategy will be to concentrate on all the regulations Obama and his czars have implemented that have frustrated normal economic growth, because you’re right, the growth we’re seeing is anemic compared to normal recoveries.


30 posted on 12/15/2011 8:49:12 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: sunmars

Most companies will wait until after Christmas to announce impending layoffs. It’s the Grinch/Scrooge meme.

The 3-4 weeks prior to Christmas have historically always been the lowest unemployment claims.


31 posted on 12/15/2011 8:52:19 AM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else.)
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To: RobertClark

>>Seasonally unadjusted dropped somehow by a ridiculous 95,506. <<

As I said in the post above this one a bit, the reported number is seasonally adjusted. Actual employment always rises going into the Christmas season, but most of it is temporary.

It will fall dramatically, after Christmas, on the order of 500-800,000, but those numbers will be adjusted too, and the result might even be a further fall in the total applying for unemployment.


32 posted on 12/15/2011 8:56:55 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: sunmars

Deja vu all over again. We did this drill two weeks ago. The orignal rosy report was was revised upward the next week. This has been the persistent pattern ever since the Marxist Onada and his commie buddies usurped the WH.


33 posted on 12/15/2011 8:58:50 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: wayoverontheright

>>The private sector is very, very, resilient and powerful. It’s like a weed, even Obama hasn’t killed us completely. We have re-trenched, and we’re seeing increased consumer activity.
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There is a tremendous amount of pent-up demand accumulated during this the longest recession in recent memory, and at some point, in spite of the poor tax, regulatory, and investment climate, it could cause somewhat of an uptick, not a boom, but an uptick nonetheless.

We pooh-pooh these economic numbers at our peril, IMHO.<<

Great comments, especially the part comparing the private sector to a weed.

I believe you’re correct in warning that we need to prepare for stronger economic numbers in 2012, but my reasoning is top-down; the Fed has expanded the money supply at an absolutely unprecedented rate and in the past that has always driven an upturn in economic activity. That uptick started a few months ago, and from your description of your own situation, is building steam.

The next administration will have a devil of a time unwinding the mess Bernanke has created at the Fed, and it might not be pretty, but if they take the shackles off of private enterprise we could see nearly double-digit real growth for a couple of years. Obama’s administration has frustrated economic growth far more than most people realize.

It would be interesting to learn just how many other owners of businesses see the same sort of pent up demand that you’re seeing.

And another thing, Bernanke’s policies are almost certainly going to cause a spike, perhaps a massive spike, in inflation over the next few years. If that happens, the housing market will cease being a weight on the economy.


34 posted on 12/15/2011 9:07:44 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: sunmars

Another factor is that we are at the end of the quarter for unemployment filing.

How it works...

If you file in Oct-Nov-Dec they will calculate your unemployment benefit based on your earnings from Oct ‘10-Sept ‘11.

But if wait until Jan to file, it will be a new quarter and they will calculate based on Jan-Dec. Meaning if you got a raise/new job in mid year etc you would get a larger benefit.

My wife for example was just laid off and we are waiting 3 weeks to file in Jan as opposed to filing now. Her salary was greater from Jan-Dec vs Oct-Sep.


35 posted on 12/15/2011 9:11:43 AM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else.)
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To: nhwingut

>>Another factor is that we are at the end of the quarter for unemployment filing.<<

The numbers are seasonally adjusted. That means that patterns that recur every year like clockwork get seasonally adjusted out. The phenomenon you describe, if it actually does affect behavior, is one of those that would be adjusted for.

We need to come to grips with the possibility that the economy is improving and that we will not have the economy of the past 3 years to campaign on. That will make it tougher, but anticipating it will help. Ignoring it or denying it will just cause us to go into the campaign with blinders on and we’ll look like fools trying to deny the obvious (by that time, if growth continues, as it is likely to do.)


36 posted on 12/15/2011 9:25:56 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: nhwingut

Good point. Of course, there must be some people whose Oct. 2010-Sept. 2011 income was higher and thus would prefer to file before Dec. 31.


37 posted on 12/15/2011 9:27:31 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: sunmars

For the vast majority of workers, either the benefits have already run out - and they have nowhere to turn - or in sheer desperation they’re taking on substandard, burger-flipping tasks.

So-called “new applications” doesn’t tell much of a tale about what’s happening nation-wide.


38 posted on 12/15/2011 9:42:38 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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First of all, these are “applications” for UNemployment insurance, not for employment. Secondly, it is a national number, so it does in fact tell us what is happening “nation-wide.”

I’ll keep saying it: we need to come to grips with the possibility that Obama is going to go into the 2012 election with an expanding economy at his back. Failing to consider that is going to get the GOP candidate blind-sided if it does indeed happen.


39 posted on 12/15/2011 9:59:43 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: sunmars

I eagerly await the front page headlines when this number is “unexpectedly” revised upward over 400k.


40 posted on 12/15/2011 10:12:09 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Obama 2012: Dozens of MSNBC viewers can't be wrong!)
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To: Norseman

If Obama goes into the 2012 election with an expanding economy, it will be despite all his VERY significant efforts to destroy the economy, not because of anything he did to help.

It’s important that the electorate know that - not that most Americans have a clue.


41 posted on 12/15/2011 10:16:42 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: sunmars

obama is going to run for re-election on peace and prosperity.

Unemployment is way down below 9% and it steadily goes lower nearly each month, todays jobless claims are the lowest since bush was president, interest rates on loans are the lowest on record, obama won the war in Iraq and brought the troops home, obama got osama bin laden, and obama got health coverage for all Americans, obama has a wonderful family, obama has over a billion dollars in his re-election campaign fund.

What are the republicans going to counter with?


42 posted on 12/15/2011 10:29:14 AM PST by CGalen
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To: sunmars

” economist’ expectations for a rise to 390,000 “

Folks, do a search on this and see if anyone stated the above.

Instead, look here instead for the “390,000” number http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/259597/20111201/instant-view-jobless-claims-rise-above-400-000.htm

Mysteriously “390,000” pops up in another context.


43 posted on 12/15/2011 10:32:47 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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To: sunmars
It is a very very very long way until next November; and the current regime led by the stain will make the most of this time.

You can bet the Alinski "bible" on it. Axlerod is already writing new war plans.

Of course, the rinos - as usual - are asleep at the switch.

44 posted on 12/15/2011 10:33:05 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (N/A)
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To: wayoverontheright
We have re-trenched, and we’re seeing increased consumer activity.

This is good news. I hope it's a sign of things to come. I also see some construction work starting up again in my neighborhood, where the homes are 70 years old. I think things have been put off for a couple of years and people are now finding the resources to get these jobs done.

45 posted on 12/15/2011 10:58:43 AM PST by old and tired
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To: Mechanicos

“Don’t get too upset with this report people its “jobless claims” aka claims for unemployment benefits. It has no direct relation to real unemployment.”

That’s right; it is a very misleading headline (deliberately). No worries; the un- and under-employed know what’s real & what isn’t - they live it every day. On top of that are those looking to switch jobs that can’t; this is also a large number as companies turn up the pressure on employees in terms of hours and stagnant pay. IF Obama runs in 2012, he won’t even carry Illinois.


46 posted on 12/15/2011 11:08:19 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: CGalen

“What are the republicans going to counter with?”

The old tried & true, “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” Even the ObamaCare is intangible lip service.

Game, set, match.


47 posted on 12/15/2011 11:10:40 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: jersey117

I also expect the per gallon price for gasoline to “unexpectedly” drop to around $2.00 in the early fall, just in time for the sElection.


48 posted on 12/15/2011 11:10:40 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: xzins
Obama has not just killed employment, he has killed SLOTS due to closed, downsized, shipped overseas, and bankrupt businesses.

With higher taxes, more regulations, manufactured crises, Cloward-Piven strategy and a general anti-business, anti-capitalist stance, Obama ought to be tried for treason. Trying to destroy our economy that six generations have built. Grrrr.

We have Obama, the czars, Ayers, Van Jones, Corzine, Holder, Trumpka, Unions, SEIU, DSA, CPUSA, ACORN, (renamed), the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Congressional Black Caucus - they're all socialists/communists at heart. When is America going to wake up? Throw them all out on November 6, 2012!

As an aside, how come - from Rasmussen - 76-80% (varies on the day - today it's "19% think America is heading in the right direction") of Americans think we're "going in the wrong direction", yet Obama is ahead of Newt by 10 points? Can someone explain how that works?

49 posted on 12/15/2011 11:13:40 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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An unknown - how many people, small businesses, entrepreneurs have Gone Galt or just not hiring, just waiting until Obama is gone? How do you "poll" that one?
50 posted on 12/15/2011 11:18:54 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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