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A Rick Perry comeback? It all rides on Iowa now.
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | 12/15/2011 | Amanda Paulson

Posted on 12/15/2011 8:09:38 AM PST by wolfman23601

At this stage, that seems unlikely. But Politico is reporting that internal polls from both Mr. Perry and Mitt Romney find significant slippage in Newt Gingrich's Iowa standing. And Perry is one of the beneficiaries. "I believe [Ron] Paul can trip up Newt here, and that's great news for Romney because Newt is done if that happens," one Iowa caucus-watcher told Politico. "Watch Rick Perry. He's going for a top-three finish, and that could be to Romney's expense." How well do you know Rick Perry? Take our quiz Perry's strategy amounts to betting everything on Iowa, where he's making a major push, despite being stuck in the low double digits in the polls. His controversial antigay-rights ad – which went viral, mostly for negative reasons – actually seems to be helping him there. As is Mr. Paul's all-out assault on Mr. Gingrich. (And just in case you're not paying enough attention, Perry is one of those arguing he's due for a bounce. His campaign just released an ad titled, yes, "Momentum," that weaves together debate clips, quotes from pundits, and a clip of wild horses galloping to argue that's just what his campaign has.) On Wednesday, Perry launched an Iowa bus tour in Council Bluffs, labeling himself "a conservative fighter" as he prepared to swing through more than 40 cities in two weeks. It's hard to imagine Perry's bus tour doing more than giving him a modest rise in the polls, but that may be all that's needed to shake up an already shaken Republican primary race.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: amnesty; gingrich; iowa; newt; openborders; peeweehermancomeback; perry; rickperry; romney; ronpaul
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1 posted on 12/15/2011 8:09:46 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

Frankly Iowa doesn’t matter that much. I would be happy with a 2nd or 3rd place. Iowa doesn’t have a record of picking winners.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 8:15:25 AM PST by marty60
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To: wolfman23601

I am an Iowa Republican activist and have my ear to the ground and have not a clue what is happening. Who knows? It’s like Christmas, we’ll have to wait to see what we get.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 8:18:27 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I heard Neal Boortz say this morning Newt is getting blitzed by attack ads there by both Romney and Ron Paul and of course, Romney has big money and Newt does not. Perry could get a bump as many people are giving him a second look.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 8:20:37 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: wolfman23601

Many of us would like to see Perry be a viable candidate. he probabaly has a better background than any of the others.


5 posted on 12/15/2011 8:23:13 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: wolfman23601

Many of us would like to see Perry be a viable candidate. he probabaly has a better background than any of the others.


6 posted on 12/15/2011 8:23:29 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: wolfman23601

If Romney wins Iowa the crypto-Rombots who bide their time on this site discrediting conservatives will issue a great noise about their candidate’s alleged “inevitability.” I do not look forward to that.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 8:25:17 AM PST by Timaeus (I will vote for any GOP nominee but Willard Mitt Romney)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I think everyone nationwide is not thrilled with the GOP pickings. It’s like they support one in rotation then throw them aside.


8 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:59 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: wolfman23601

the poll to watch is in SC not Iowa or NH


9 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:51 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: BunnySlippers

Exactly...they are running from candidate to candidate in a desperate attempt to find the one that will defeat the Obamunist...


10 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:55 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This thread is calling you, enjoy!


11 posted on 12/15/2011 8:33:45 AM PST by sickoflibs (Man we are screwed!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“he probabaly has a better background than any of the others”

That is the point. He is the best candidate. He would make the best president. Cain did a lot of damage to Perry early on by publically denouncing just about everything about Perry. I was infuriated because I never believed Cain’s candidacy was legitimate. Then with the debates, Perry’s real message was drummed out by the media. The other thing I noticed was the unbelieveable attacks on him by nitwits like the great American (puke) Billy Cunningham. What? Why? Why so early on in the race?
I’m hoping for a third place finish in Iowa to jumpstart everything....with dignity.


12 posted on 12/15/2011 8:38:13 AM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: sickoflibs
Thanks!

Rick Perry's morning ad: Problem/Solution [:30]

13 posted on 12/15/2011 8:38:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wolfman23601; shield

I suspected that it might come down to Romney vs. Perry. The Cain rise and fall didn’t surprise me, but I was surprised at the rise of Newt support. My expectation is that Newt will fall as well. He doesn’t have the money or the ground game and the long knives on both sides of the aisle are in the process of slice and dice.

IMO, here are the choices conservatives have at this point.

1. Keep backing Newt even though or denying that he’s going to go down in flames.
2. Back Paul, Bachmann, or Santorum who don’t have a chance at all.
3. Unite behind Perry who is the only one with the machine and money to challenge Romney.
4. Stay home and assure that Romney will carry the day.

That’s pretty much it. Pick your poison. For the record, I think that both Romney and Perry would beat Obama. It’s just a choice of whom conservatives would rather see as president.


14 posted on 12/15/2011 8:39:07 AM PST by randita (If you supported Palin, there's no way you can support Newt. They don't agree on much.)
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To: wolfman23601

I’d like Perry to attack farm subsidies and ethanol mandates and let Iowa go hang. No candidate needs Iowa’s delegates or Iowa’s votes to win.


15 posted on 12/15/2011 8:39:49 AM PST by Tax-chick (Just let the people vote.)
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To: BunnySlippers
Nothing wrong with Newt or Rick. Still like Rick the best.

The others are second rates "I'll tell you want you want to hear" so I can get your vote".

Keep knocking OUR candidates...Obama is counting on it. His fans have Michael Jackson syndrome....getting any of them to switch will take a miracle.

16 posted on 12/15/2011 8:40:38 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Tax-chick

If NH was a race, I’d agree, but noone has ever won the nomination without either Iowa or NH. Barring a major scandal or unforced error, Romney has a lock on NH.


17 posted on 12/15/2011 8:43:52 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601; All
If anyone is thinking about Gov. Perry as their candidate, please watch this.

These men and are amazing.

____________________________________________________

“You can’t tell me that America is not exceptional. You can't tell me that because I've seen it”

"Rick Perry has always remained faithful." -- First Lieutenant Daniel P. Moran

[6:45] Medal recipients tell of their sacrifice and the sacrifice of their fellow heroes -- and why they support Rick Perry.

18 posted on 12/15/2011 8:44:06 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Tax-chick
I’d like Perry to attack farm subsidies and ethanol mandates and let Iowa go hang. No candidate needs Iowa’s delegates or Iowa’s votes to win.

He didn't "attack" but he told them the truth when he was asked. [parapharsed] -- No subsides for ethanol, oil or gas, etc. CUT regulations on the other end and let the markets decide. If states want to help fund these enterprises that's their decision but the feds need to stay out of it.

Presidential Candidate [Perry] Holds Agriculture Conference Call [30 minutes]

19 posted on 12/15/2011 8:48:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wolfman23601

No Republican is going to beat Zero by playing to a recipient constituency (Iowa) or to social liberals (New Hampshire). Why vote Democrat-lite when you can just vote Democrat?

If there’s going to be any hope for a recovery, a Republican candidate has got to break out of the loser rut and present a real alternative. Based on Rick Perry’s willingness to get drones like the educationalistical establishment mad at him, I have some hope that he could win the Failure to Cringe award, and the Presidency.


20 posted on 12/15/2011 8:49:32 AM PST by Tax-chick (Just let the people vote.)
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To: randita

But....the Independents don’t want to see another republican from Texas. What can we do???


21 posted on 12/15/2011 8:51:53 AM PST by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He didn't "attack" but he told them the truth when he was asked.

Good. "Attack" isn't necessary: "fail to support" is sufficient. (If an oil-state Governor got caught promoting food-to-fuel subsidies or mandates, I'd have to say he was too dumb to breathe ;-).

22 posted on 12/15/2011 8:52:42 AM PST by Tax-chick (Just let the people vote.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
RE :”Thanks!
Rick Perry's morning ad

Pretty tame ad.

If I was running against Newt and Romney and wanted to make a commercial that represents them (negatively) within the 5 or so seconds window per candidate I would pick :
Romney='Romney-care' and
Newt='Climate Change is real' with Pelosi.
I think those would hurt them more.

23 posted on 12/15/2011 8:53:45 AM PST by sickoflibs (Man we are screwed!)
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To: wolfman23601
THE COMEBACK KID
24 posted on 12/15/2011 8:54:43 AM PST by Signalman
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To: wolfman23601

I’d love to have Rick Perry be the candidate. My one request, if he wins the nomination. During the debates with Obama, he gets up on stage and then tags Gingrich in to debate Obama. Frankly, I’m a little worried about him debating Obama. Not that Obama is any great shakes at debating, its just that Perry is not that good at all. I will be really watching his performance tonight.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 9:03:14 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: sickoflibs
Carbon Copies ______Romney-Obama: "That plant kills people!" [:59]

Politically Correct [:30]

26 posted on 12/15/2011 9:03:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: FryingPan101
>>>>>[Perry] is the best candidate. He would make the best president.

I agree, Perry has the best conservative record and is the best man for the job of potus. His candidacy suffered serious problems from a late entry to being unprepared for the heat and exposure of the debates. An early over reliance on his Texas political campaign staff didn't help matters. Perry deserves a second look see from primary voters. Unlike the empty suit, Herman Cain, Gov Perry still has a chance, a long shot albeit, to make a decent showing in the Iowa and I wish him well.

27 posted on 12/15/2011 9:10:12 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

It couldn’t possibly be any worse than GWB’s first debate with Kerry. As long as he doesn’t agree to any Lincoln/Douglas debates with Zero, I think he can get through 3 MSM debates and survive.


28 posted on 12/15/2011 9:11:14 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I will be really watching his performance tonight.

There's another debate tonight? I don't remember there being this many debates for Pubbie Primary Contenders in the past.

29 posted on 12/15/2011 9:15:27 AM PST by sockmonkey (He's not perfect, but Perry is no wussy boy)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I like the Carbon Copies one.

I saw the Politically Correct one the other day and wasnt impressed by it.


30 posted on 12/15/2011 9:23:39 AM PST by sickoflibs (Man we are screwed!)
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To: sockmonkey
"There's another debate tonight? I don't remember there being this many debates for Pubbie Primary Contenders in the past."

It's the Foxnews Iowa debate tonight. I agree that there has not been this many debates in the past that I can remember either. However, I like it. I like to see as many debates as I can. Whoever our nominee is can only benefit from continued debating. It sharpens their skills and informs us the voters a lot more.
31 posted on 12/15/2011 9:26:00 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: wolfman23601

Let’s see, left wing communist progressive politico says that if Newt doesn’t win Iowa and Ron Paul does, then Newt is through and Perry make become the front runner. So tell me, how does New losing Iowa make him a loser and Perry losing Iowa make him a winner. If Newt loses one state that is not going to hurt him at all, except for that state.


32 posted on 12/15/2011 9:28:05 AM PST by calex59
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To: sickoflibs
I like the Carbon Copies one.

I hadn't seen that one before. Just watched it. It's really good.

33 posted on 12/15/2011 9:30:38 AM PST by sockmonkey (He's not perfect, but Perry is no wussy boy)
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To: wolfman23601
"It couldn’t possibly be any worse than GWB’s first debate with Kerry."

IMO there's a big difference between a sitting President having a poor performance and the challenger having a poor performance. Unfortunately the sitting President will always get more leeway because in people's mind he's already doing the job so he's qualified. For the challenger, people don't know if he can do that job. I'm not saying that I think that way. This is what the majority of independents think like.

Incidentally contrast that with Bush's first go round debating Algore. He was competent, nothing more. But he looked so much better than Gore who was stiff and rigid. And then Algore committed that huge gaffe during one debate where he went over and stood right next to Bush as Bush was getting ready to answer. Almost in his personal space. Then Bush turned to look at him and said something like "Do you want something". Algore just looked like the bully in middle school at that moment. Debates matter, especially for the challenger to the President.
34 posted on 12/15/2011 9:31:15 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Reagan Man

” I wish him well”

That warms my heart.


35 posted on 12/15/2011 9:33:49 AM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Rick Perry’s morning ad: Problem/Solution [:30]”

You’re here!


36 posted on 12/15/2011 9:36:15 AM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: wolfman23601
Perry could get a bump as many people are giving him a second

I, like many other republicans, gave Perry a real hard look. He stared back like a deer in the headlights. He won't be getting a second look from me. The dems would love nothing more than to rerun against Bush. Perry seems like a super nice guy and all around good and moral man. However, he will get slaughtered in the general.

37 posted on 12/15/2011 9:36:25 AM PST by douginthearmy (Still undecided.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

>>I am an Iowa Republican activist and have my ear to the ground and have not a clue what is happening.<<

So, what do you think of the following line in the article:

“It’s hard to imagine Perry’s bus tour doing more than giving him a modest rise in the polls...”

Accurate assessment? Or are Iowans likely to react well to a strong effort on Perry’s part?


38 posted on 12/15/2011 9:38:28 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: FryingPan101

LOL!!

It took me a minute.


39 posted on 12/15/2011 9:39:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: douginthearmy

Now you’ve done it, the Perrydrones will get really really angry and start calling you names now.


40 posted on 12/15/2011 9:39:53 AM PST by montyspython ((Romney-Perry-Obama ... No Way))
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To: Norseman
I have no idea and I'm a Perry supporter.

Among my best friends, we're all over the place. We're Perry, Santorum and Newt. Unless something unforseen comes along, I don't see any of us changing.

The attacks on Newt are intense. The good news is that if Paul is rising to the top, he now can get his anal exam, too.

41 posted on 12/15/2011 9:45:00 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: douginthearmy
However, he will get slaughtered in the general.

How the heck do you know this? You don't. We have all these experts all pretending they KNOW what is going to happen--they don't. None of us do. I'd like to think that any one of our people would destroy Obama.

42 posted on 12/15/2011 9:47:49 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Tax-chick
I’d like Perry to attack farm subsidies and ethanol mandates and let Iowa go hang.

Perry has done that.

43 posted on 12/15/2011 9:51:26 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
"The good news is that if Paul is rising to the top, he now can get his anal exam, too."

When we one is a perpetual ass, anal exams are constant, open and notorious. Paul has a perpetual latex glove dangling from his colon, he doesn't hide his goofiness and doesn't need to rise to the top to expose his innards.

44 posted on 12/15/2011 9:55:54 AM PST by montyspython ((Romney-Perry-Obama ... No Way))
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To: douginthearmy

>>Perry seems like a super nice guy and all around good and moral man. However, he will get slaughtered in the general.<<

Because?


45 posted on 12/15/2011 9:56:17 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s a rather courageous thing for a presidential candidate to say. Corn subsidies have always been something of a third rail when it comes to getting those western votes.


46 posted on 12/15/2011 10:00:55 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: Norseman

Because he will look like a bumbling imbecile when Obama debates him, 30 second brain farts are going to make a lasting negative impression.


47 posted on 12/15/2011 10:02:36 AM PST by montyspython ((Romney-Perry-Obama ... No Way))
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To: wolfman23601

ROLOL, what kind of brain fart will perry have in the next debate. You could start a game board on when it will happen.


48 posted on 12/15/2011 10:04:40 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

>>Among my best friends, we’re all over the place. We’re Perry, Santorum and Newt. Unless something unforseen comes along, I don’t see any of us changing.<<

How about if they meet Perry on his bus tour and actually are personally impressed by him.

I campaigned as a Republican when Clinton was running for election. He got off a bus, met one of my Republican campaign workers, and that was it. She stopped helping out in her area, and could even have voted for him in the end. From what I hear, Perry is an extremely effective retail politician.

Also, I think the fact that the story of his recovering from back surgery during the early debates is cropping up only now will help him quite a bit. It gives him some cover for his performance at the time, and it speaks well of him that he didn’t use it as an excuse at the time, but just accepted the outcome and then worked on his weakness. The better he does in upcoming debates, the more people will forgive his earlier performance.


49 posted on 12/15/2011 10:05:38 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: montyspython

>>Because he will look like a bumbling imbecile when Obama debates him, 30 second brain farts are going to make a lasting negative impression.<<

I love the way we’re trying to choose a nominee based on how they debate. The purpose of a political debate is to learn where candidates stand on the issues, not how they articulate those issues.

Granted, a flub can set you back...a lot...but if we run a conservative versus Obama, the next election isn’t going to be determined by the classiest debater; it’s going to be determined by whether this country still has more conservative-leaning voters than liberal-leaning ones. My money is on the former, by the way.

Obama could obfuscate in 2008; today we know his positions, regardless of what he says in debate.

And for those who think Gingrich will bury Obama in a debate, if that were actually true, what makes you think Obama would ever consent to debating him? Instead, he’ll just pick him apart by comparing his present vs. past positions, letting the MSM do most of his work for him.

Neither Romney nor Gingrich are conservative at the root. Nominating either is likely to prove to be a mistake because we might not win even if we do win, and furthermore, we might not win at all.


50 posted on 12/15/2011 10:15:46 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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