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Plastic bag ban could cost consumers (Austin, TX)
kxan.com ^ | Dec. 15, 2011 | Doug Shupe

Posted on 12/15/2011 12:39:05 PM PST by bgill

The idea is to eliminate these types of plastic bags and certain types of paper bags from our landfills. To do that, the city is considering charging customers for these types of bags for three years, then eventually banning them from many stores across the city... The city's draft ordinance includes an education campaign for the public throughout all of next year, For three years after, the proposal includes retailers charge customers without a Lone Star Card, a 25 cent surcharge for each plastic or paper bag.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: foodstamps; government; treehuggers
We taxpayers will be charged 25 cents per bag but foodstamp cardholders will be exempt. So, which is it? Are plastic bags not so bad that special groups can still use them or is that 25 cent penalty doubled for taxpayers so we must pay the fines for welfare recipients whom we're already supporting?
1 posted on 12/15/2011 12:39:17 PM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

I mis paper bags. They are, after all, a green renewable resource.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 12:44:06 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: bgill

We went to the plastic bags in the first place to “save the trees”. The tree-huggers need to make up their minds.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 12:48:23 PM PST by Brownie63
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To: bgill

What about those big 55 gallon, 5 mil thick black garbage bags? There is a lot of plastic in those, and you could make a lot of plastic bags out of a single 20 ounce plastic soda bottle.

Seem’s their drive is a little single-minded and short-sighted.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 12:55:00 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: bgill
Any bets as to how many people are killed by contamination spread from improperly cleaned ‘reusable’ shopping bags? The universal goal of turning us into a 3rd world nation continues... That's all the Greenies want, it's not about the environment, it is about making your lifestyle worse.
5 posted on 12/15/2011 12:56:30 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Hodar
Seem’s their drive is a little singlesimple-minded and short-sighted

There, fixed it for you

Now it perfectly describes the moronic hippies that are the city government of Austin

6 posted on 12/15/2011 12:58:30 PM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Brownie63
We went to the plastic bags in the first place to “save the trees”. The tree-huggers need to make up their minds.

They have made up their minds. It's not about the environment, it's about control. They do this to "remind" you who is in control.

7 posted on 12/15/2011 1:04:19 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: kingu
The universal goal of turning us into a 3rd world nation continues.

We've gone backward to windmills and choo-choos. Maybe basketweaving and homemade pottery will make a comeback too

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On the other hand, Liberals could never do this. Some of their heads are just too pointy.

8 posted on 12/15/2011 1:10:02 PM PST by digger48
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To: bgill

Yeah, but what about all the bread wrappers and other plastic that food is packed in, then put into a plastic garbage bag and put into the trash cans?


9 posted on 12/15/2011 1:21:52 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: bgill

I’m glad I live in Williamson County. We always get plastic because they’re great for reusing as pooper-scooper bags.


10 posted on 12/15/2011 1:23:38 PM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: tx_eggman
Now it perfectly describes the moronic hippies that are the city government of Austin

Austin is the blue blight on political maps, home of lib UT and is home to nearly every hippie in the state. It's most appropriate city motto is "Keep Austin Weird" which is proven by any image search for taxpayer funded Hippie Hollow park or Eeyore's Birthday (warning alert for anyone searching those).

11 posted on 12/15/2011 1:25:52 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: bgill

Yes, we must pay double. We cannot expect the poor people whose only income is in government benefits to have to pay for things like plastic bags from their welfare money.


12 posted on 12/15/2011 1:28:20 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: Brownie63

One super market chain tried a 5 cent surcharge(tax) on plastic bags here ,but stopped ,people just went to another chain that had no tax , me thinks places out side Austin will see more business


13 posted on 12/15/2011 1:35:34 PM PST by molson209
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To: bgill
The idea is to eliminate these types of plastic bags and certain types of paper bags from our landfills. To do that, the city is considering charging customers for these types of bags for three years, then eventually banning them from many stores across the city...

The ban will never happen. Governments don't just let income streams from taxes disappear without a fight. This is just a way for the city to impose a new, permanent tax.

The simple fact is that plastic bags make life easier for consumers and are re-usable. That's enough for environmentalists to oppose them - any small features of modern life which improve sanitation or convenience for ordinary people are automatically targets for the environmental hairshirt lunatics and politicians looking for innovative ways to tax.
14 posted on 12/15/2011 1:54:34 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: bgill

Why can’t the evironweenies put a little mental energy into finding a use for all of that plastic going into the landfills? I could use a cheaper plastic decking material than what we have now.


15 posted on 12/15/2011 1:58:44 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: kingu
Any bets as to how many people are killed by contamination spread from improperly cleaned ‘reusable’ shopping bags?

I can't wait for that study!

16 posted on 12/15/2011 2:11:39 PM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: jonrick46

While most liberal newspapers are pushing this crap, they ignore their own practice of putting delivered newspapers in plastic bags when it rains.


17 posted on 12/15/2011 2:22:40 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: bgill

Using plastic bags saves trees.


18 posted on 12/15/2011 2:28:44 PM PST by Signalman
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To: bgill
 
 
 
This is nothing but an extortion stunt - I seem to recall in the distant past that the ingredient composition of the "plastic" hard to be worked out in order to get past tree-hugger objections in the first dang place. The things are engineered to break down and decompose into nothingness by design. I dimly remember the bags being heralded in the media as the "environmentally friendly" solution to paper bags - an intrepid researcher could no doubt dig up the AP news articles touting that. Somebody around there needs to dig up the bag engineering specs, old news articles about them along with a Information Quality Act (aka the Data Quality Act) request and watch their underhanded tax scheme fall apart.
 
 
 

19 posted on 12/15/2011 2:33:10 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Seems like there is absolutely very little you can buy any more that doesn’t have some kind of a plastic wrapping, plastic inside or both. Bought a toilet seat the other day - it is plastic laminated and even the screws are now plastic. Local store had attempted to stack those crappy new flimsy water bottles - must have been 10 feet high - that was before it gave way and water bottles were everywhere. Store manager was calling them way far worse than crappy and flimsy!


20 posted on 12/15/2011 2:44:43 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: bgill

India has the ultimate idea in recycling. They make bags out of children’s used school papers. You buy a pound of sugar and then can read a kid’s spelling lesson on the side of the package. The liberals wouldn’t go for this because adults would actually find out what the kids are learning! :-)


21 posted on 12/15/2011 2:50:53 PM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: bgill

While I have seen “green” reusable bags made out of recycled materials, most are pretty flimsy and will soon end up in landfills anyway. Some heavier bags, particularly those that are insulated, may not be recyclable at all and may be made of plastics from oil. What ever happened to those biodegradable bags made from corn starch? When I was a kid, the local grocery store packed your groceries in re-used boxes.


22 posted on 12/15/2011 3:05:01 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: aimhigh

My company puts more plastic wrap and equipment packaging in one day in dumpsters than an entire city tosses in the way of plastic shopping bags in the garbage. If the plastic is so terrible, come with a way to make something good from it. I bet it would make a good fuel for generating electricity.


23 posted on 12/15/2011 5:15:22 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: GunRunner
I’m glad I live in Williamson County.

I used to live in Anderson Mill - like five houses from the Travis county line. The reason we moved was because of drug use at the elementary school when our daughter was getting ready to start school. If you are listening to KLBJ in Austin, they also want people to quit putting food leftovers into the garbage disposals too.

24 posted on 12/16/2011 5:19:23 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: bgill

In my neck of the woods, this type of plan goes into effect Jan. 1, though it’s only 5 cents per bag.

They have the never to call it a “fee” and deny it’s a tax, when it’s about the clearest example of an excise tax as you’ll ever see.


25 posted on 12/16/2011 5:25:24 AM PST by kevkrom (Separation of Business and State)
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To: Signalman
Using plastic bags saves trees

In Maine, unless somebody kept it cleared, we'd have a tree every square foot. Come take some of them please.

26 posted on 12/16/2011 5:32:44 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: jonrick46
I bet it would make a good fuel for generating electricity.

Same with tires, to make both clean heat and power.

See: Gasification

27 posted on 12/16/2011 5:41:46 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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