Posted on 12/15/2011 1:35:20 PM PST by Kaslin
Okay, what’s the correlation? What’s the equivalent public sector job? Just wondering.
Also: The article breaks down the cost per pupil. How much of that money is for administration costs? If teachers make so much money what is the school principal making? Toll booth operators in NJ are making $100,000. And school janitors in NYC are making more than teachers. Why single out teachers? Again, just wondering.
And they’re doing such a “great” job too. In Los Angeles, the drop-out rate for hispanic high scrool students is 50 percent.
I think the teacher jobs ARE public sector jobs. ??
The equivalent private sector job for a teacher in a public school would be a teacher in a private or parochial school. You know, those schools which have to actually convince their customers to pay tuition when they are already paying property taxes for a free public education.
Yeah, but it’s for the children that they make that much! They work so much harder than the rest of us for 9 months out of the year to equal our 12 month totals don’t you know?
Okay, I see the relevance there. What I’m saying is that there are other government jobs that pay way more than teachers such as those toll booth people who make upwards of $100,000 a year and school janitors in NYC who make around $80,000
What I’m looking at is how unfairly teachers are maligned. Again I posted about toll booth operators making upwards of $100K per year and school janitors in NYC making almost twice what teachers are paid. How’d you like to be a teacher in a violent school district making $60k a year. Think it’s worth it? Just saying.http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48128
http://www.thecitizennews.com/node/5446
I don't know of many public school teachers making $116k annually, which is $56/hr full time.
Figured against 8 months, that equates to about $78k, still very high for a nationwide average.
Salary.com shows mid career teachers at about $48k annual locally.
Most teachers would be very surprised to find out they are making that much money, even when benefits are included. Most Administrators would be frothing mad over the pay cut. Public school administrators are among the most overrated and overpaid people in the world, and that’s the ones who perform necessary jobs. A great many could be cut without any deleterious consequences to their school districts.
When I was growing up, my parents both worked as faculty members for a small state university. Their work included research, writing, advising and, in my father's case, oversight of the livestock on the state experimental farm.
He worked 12 months of the year, mother worked 10. Neither ever made what the unionized school teachers in the local school district made in nine months even though they had longer working hours and a higher educational attainment.
I'm not whining. That's just an observation. And the gap has only grown worse in the quarter century since they retired.
No, it's not. They have every opportunity to go do some other work during that three month period.
I once dated a guy who was a school teacher. He slowly became very disillusioned with it. Through him I found out all about what it means to be a teacher esp. in NYC where gangs rule the schools.
Not at $56/hr. They might be overpaid, but an annual number would be more believable; too many variables in a "per hour" number.
And he claims that this disparity -- which he doesn't show in the first place -- is "unsustainable". Which only shows how challenged Rush is in terms of integrity, intelligence, and basic mathematics.
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Sorry, I understand and agree with LEGITIMATE arguments that public employees, generally, often make more money than they should; but this is NOT a legitimate argument.
Plus, I'm very annoyed and disappointed (disgusted) with Rush lately; only in part due to his propensity toward this kind of LIE via statistics.
I’ve noticed lately whenever there’s a thing about the cost of running a public school it’s the teachers salaries that always comes up; on how much they make for only a six hour day and work only ten months a year. Until people find out exactly how their salaries are paid out and the time they put in (upper grades homework correction, etc) and putting up with the snowflake’s parents during teachers conferences (after school BTW - own time) teachers are going to be the whipping boy for government excess - not politicians, not roads and grounds, not any other government employee.
$58K per year for 9 months work does, indeed convert to an annualized salary of $77.3K or almost exactly what you calculated.
I'm giving teachers the benefit of the doubt here. Even though the shorter work weeks, longer school vacations during the year and other perks does, indeed, translate to closer to eight months of work, better teachers put in time off the clock equivalent to at least one extra month. By no means all of them, of course, but a significant number.
Bottom line is while what Rush is saying isn't popular, it is true.
Same too of office staff. I don’t know where their pay is but I’d bet it would be up there as well. It’s always the teachers who get the brunt of public outrage at their salaries and how they’re paid (six hour days, ten months of work) - it’s always an eye opener when people find out the amount of time they put in without pay (evenings, etc) and that they don’t get a years pay for ten months work - a fallacy that’s been promoted over the years.
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