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Fast and Furious Scandal Gives Rise to Gun Regulation Debate (All part of the Communist plan)
Fox News ^ | 12/15/2011 | William Lajeunesse & Laura Prabucki

Posted on 12/15/2011 3:46:03 PM PST by tobyhill

As a candidate, Barack Obama once endorsed a ban on handguns and favored restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms. So when gun owners heard of Operation Fast and Furious, many feared the worst.

Now, newly revealed emails suggest that if the gun-running operation didn't start out with that intent, as administration officials insist, the program certainly led to discussions on new gun regulations.

"There's a lot of talk that President Obama stated that he is working for gun control with alternative methods," said Arizona gun dealer Jeff Serdy. "I hope this isn't one of them."

Serdy and others suspect the Obama administration used the gun-running operation to support regulations Congress would not even consider, namely, a rule requiring gun stores in the Southwest to report anyone who tries to buy multiple "long guns," or rifles, in a one-week period.

"If the American people learn that the motivations for all of this was to make a case to deprive them of their Second Amendment rights or to make a case to further the (Justice) department's ability to further regulate gun rights within the United States, that would make them very angry," said Arizona Republican Rep. Trent Franks.

Holder insists that's not accurate.

"Clearly, an attempt to use Fast and Furious as a way to bolster the request for that long-gun regulation would have been foolhardy," he told the House Judiciary Committee last week.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arizona; atf; banglist; california; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; mexico; newmexico; obama; texas

1 posted on 12/15/2011 3:46:06 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Time to stock up on guns (and ammo) NOW!

If the Muslim is elected for a second term, his attacks on private sales will be ruthless.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 3:59:50 PM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

3 posted on 12/15/2011 4:03:44 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: panaxanax

If anybody has learned ANYTHING from all this, THAT would be one of the most important. Give yourself a Merry Christmas present for the New Year. Or several. I wish I could afford one for each of the eight days of Chanuka.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 4:10:57 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: tobyhill

I do not trust this bisexual muslim machine-gun smuggler.


5 posted on 12/15/2011 4:16:15 PM PST by gaijin
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To: tobyhill
do I really have to say it???

6 posted on 12/15/2011 4:56:34 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: tobyhill

Fast and Furious IS a gun control effort. The whole thing started when the hildabeast began flapping her jowls about the percentage of weapons,in Mexico that originated in the USA. From there; she, maobama and holder decided to make good on her bogus claim. They launched F&F


7 posted on 12/15/2011 5:05:39 PM PST by Bowtie52
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To: tobyhill
Now, newly revealed emails suggest that if the gun-running operation didn't start out with that intent, as administration officials insist, the program certainly led to discussions on new gun regulations.

Suggest it? Don't the e-mails literally say it?

On July 14, 2010, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Assistant Director Mark Chait asked then-ATF Phoenix Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell "if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long-gun multiple sales."

On Jan. 4, 2011, Newell apparently saw the opportunity to publicly push for the new gun regulation. The Fast and Furious news conference provides "another time to address multiple sale on long guns issue," he wrote Chait.

A day after that news conference, Chait replied in an email: "Bill -- well done yesterday ... in light of our request for demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case."

The 0baMao administration has already imposed new regulations, without the authority to do so, based on F&F guns.

ATF's 'fast and furious' pushes DOJ to skirt Congress to crack down on gun sales

As witnessed last week, the Department of Justice issued some harsh medicine for firearm dealers in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. These dealers will soon be required to report multiple sales of long guns.

(snip)

Last week, the Justice Department announced it will move forward with a new reporting system despite its lack of authority to create legislation without Congress.

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The NRA also points out that the ill-conceived and ill-fated “Fast and Furious” program encouraged Arizona gun dealers to sell thousands of guns to suspicious buyers, despite documented objections from dealers and ATF agents alike.


8 posted on 12/15/2011 5:48:27 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: tobyhill

There’s never been any doubt regarding President Obama’s “anti-gun”, agenda or history. He served on the board of the Joyce Foundation; a most virulent anti-personal arms organization. Its apparent he regards his “oath of office” as segmented and subject intrepretation and/or his ignoring inconvenient aspects.

Hence, there’s “no doubt” in my mind the OA took advantage of an established, ( but terminated as “ineffective” by no less than Phoenix BATF SAC Newell ), Bush era sting op. It saw this program as the means to support the President’s, (hasty and inaccurate) “90% claim” circa Feb. 2009. And, as subsequent events have revealed, multiple levels of AFT, (and others in DOJ) used the “discoveries” of this program as justification for “Demand Letter Three” ! >PS


9 posted on 12/15/2011 7:07:45 PM PST by PiperShade
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To: panaxanax

We’ve already seen his “big lie” pogroms on several key fronts. So why expect less on such a key issue ?

Right now only our Second Admendment Rights separate us from the fate of a lot of “democratic nations”; and the UN is working like hell - with the help of the current administration - to abrogate our constitutional perogatives ! >PS


10 posted on 12/15/2011 7:12:37 PM PST by PiperShade
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11 posted on 12/16/2011 11:27:43 AM PST by CedarDave
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