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High schoolers banned for Tebowing
http://espn.go.com/newyork/conversations/_/id/7357978/high-school-athletes-suspended-tebowing ^ | December 15, 2011, 9:23 PM ET | Christopher Hunt

Posted on 12/15/2011 6:40:00 PM PST by Minn

No running in the halls -- and no Tebowing either.

That's what one Long Island administration said Wednesday when it suspended a group of high school athletes for replicating Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow's popular pose in the hallway at school.

Jordan Fulcoly, Wayne Drexel and brothers Tyler and Connor Carroll of Riverhead High School were all handed a one-day suspension Wednesday, after three days of taking a knee with their foreheads resting on their fists, the same ...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: arth; athletes; discipline; leftismoncampus; longisland; publicschools; tebow
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1 posted on 12/15/2011 6:40:03 PM PST by Minn
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To: Minn
All right, I studiously was avoiding this "story," but if it's getting this crazy . . . .
2 posted on 12/15/2011 6:42:46 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Minn

Once again proving that when someone becomes a school administrator their common sense chip is removed.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 6:46:32 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: metmom; wintertime; rabscuttle385; bamahead; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA

The public schools produce graduates who are functionally illiterate and innumerate, no big deal. Some students strike a football player’s pose and it’s a threat to education.

What’s wrong with those people?


4 posted on 12/15/2011 6:47:07 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: Minn

It’s a global phenomenon!

Americans give Tim Tebow a job approval rating of almost twice what President Obama has.


5 posted on 12/15/2011 6:47:17 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Minn

....But it is okay to have foot washing stations and muslim prayer rooms in some schools!!!


6 posted on 12/15/2011 6:48:25 PM PST by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: 1rudeboy

the excuse given by the school is that the “Tebowing” was blocking the halls, but it would seem easy enough to give a notice “don’t block the halls if you Tebow.” I think the ACLU wants to make sumfin out of it.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 6:49:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: The KG9 Kid

Tim Tebow for president


8 posted on 12/15/2011 6:50:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: massmike

Yeah, had they had their asses up in the air at muslim prayer time the coward school admins wouldn’t have done a thing.


9 posted on 12/15/2011 6:51:03 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: The KG9 Kid

Go Tebow!


10 posted on 12/15/2011 6:52:12 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Minn

I hope tomorrow every student in the school strikes the same pose during each class change.


11 posted on 12/15/2011 6:52:26 PM PST by stockpirate (Newt and Romney are both Big Government socialists.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Same thing that’s wrong with the Principal who gives a 5 day suspension to a five year old, who displays a “finger gun”.

Zero Tolerance = Utter liberal stupidity.


12 posted on 12/15/2011 6:53:53 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland
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To: Minn

The school officials feel threatened Too bad. Tebowing for all.


13 posted on 12/15/2011 6:56:56 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Rebelbase

6th graders from Wellesley, MA middle school were taken on a class trip to a “moderate” mosque in May. The boys and girls were separated and the boys then joined Muslim men in a prayer to Allah. This was a public school field trip to the largest mosque in the Northeast. Teachers did not intervene. Parents were not told.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/09/middle-school-students-brought-on-mosque-field-trip-bow-to-allah-video/


14 posted on 12/15/2011 6:58:03 PM PST by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Minn
Obama Bow: Good

Tebow Bow: Evil


15 posted on 12/15/2011 7:03:53 PM PST by null and void (Day 1059 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Minn
Bullsh!t...!!!
16 posted on 12/15/2011 7:04:32 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Minn

Yeah, A lot of Jesus-Haters are running public shools


17 posted on 12/15/2011 7:21:39 PM PST by Rodm
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To: Minn

Yeah, A lot of Jesus-Haters are running public schools


18 posted on 12/15/2011 7:21:56 PM PST by Rodm
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To: Minn; All

Reminds me of that one verse the apostle Paul wrote to Timothy: “ALL those who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus WILL be persecuted.”


19 posted on 12/15/2011 7:23:51 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: Minn; All

Time to have students in EVERY high school do mass ‘Tebows’!

(They could call it the “Instantaneous Occupy Heaven’” movement...that way, school administrators will let them camp out in Tebow postures for months on end!)


20 posted on 12/15/2011 7:29:28 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: Minn; wagglebee; little jeremiah; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

21 posted on 12/15/2011 7:31:42 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: massmike

How in the Wide World of Sports can these *holes take kids off of school premises without notifying the parents and getting permission beforehand? The parents should be marching on the principal’s and school board’s houses with pitchforks, torches, tar, and feathers.


22 posted on 12/15/2011 8:14:25 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Minn

Hate the Broncos, love the Raiders, that said... Go Tim Tebow...!


23 posted on 12/15/2011 9:28:38 PM PST by freebilly
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To: Minn

maybe they were Catholics genuflecting?


24 posted on 12/16/2011 3:48:50 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Minn
Looks to me like the locals have more to worry about....

Downtown as 'high crime area' is more perception than reality, police chief says

Snort.

Jeez, kids kneeling in a school hallway is the least of the area's problems.....

25 posted on 12/16/2011 4:02:58 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: Clintonfatigued; metmom; wintertime; rabscuttle385; bamahead; Impy; fieldmarshaldj
Because Tebow’s a white Christian male.

Bet your a$$ if he was a Muslim, it would be embraced and promoted.

26 posted on 12/16/2011 6:25:54 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: Minn

sigh


27 posted on 12/16/2011 6:34:17 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: mewzilla; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..

Kids kneeling in the hallway in school is what this country needs.....

I just saw this listed for sale....

Through My Eyes: A Quarterback’s Journey
by Tim Tebow

http://www.amazon.com/Through-My-Eyes-Quarterbacks-Journey/dp/0310723450

Tim Tebow was homeschooled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tebow


28 posted on 12/16/2011 6:36:44 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Rodm; Jim Robinson; Neil E. Wright; Alamo-Girl; JustAmy; Jo Nuvark; backhoe; Let's Roll; woofie; ...
Yeah, A lot of Jesus-Haters are running public schools

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INDEED. PLEASE note the ALICE BAILEY quotes below about EDUCATION and ONE WORLD RELIGION
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Uhhhhhhhh, they've been running the Nation and the world for a long time. Their grip is now sufficient that they are brazenly becoming more and more overt . . . exactly . . . as the Bible predicted they would.

Alamo-Girl,

I think the following refs would hold up to your criteria for the Clinton files, Angel-Gal.

JimRob, Neil E Wright,

Nelson Rockefeller's former buddy Aaron Russo sounds like y'all's kind of guy in some significant respects.

He tried to set up THE CONSTITUTION PARTY in 1994 and was the founder of RESTORE THE REPUBLIC. He turned down Rockefeller's offer of membership in the Council on Foreign Relations and broke off his relationship with Nick Rockefeller after Nick made clear the plans of the Marxist globalist oligarchy.

He died fighting for our Republic and Judeo Christian values.

The below quotes, pics and refs 'originally' from (somewhat more quixicated--original was already somewhat):

http://riffenberg.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/new-world-order-ngo-quotes/

Henry Kissinger

CONTROL THE OIL AND YOU CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT, CONTROL THE FOOD AND YOU CONTROL THE POPULATION

-–Henry Kissinger, circa 1970, author of the phrase, “Useless Eaters.”

U .S.House of Representatives Puts U.S. Oil and land under U.N Control, Bill Goes To Senate

Zbignew Brzezinski



National Security Advisor to Democratic President, Jimmy Carter, and Co-founder of the Trilateral Commission

“Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen…. “

The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.

From, “Between Two Ages”, by Brzezinski


Alice Bailey

ALICE BAILEY
ALICE BAILEY
Globalist Advocate
Of
One World Religion

Just as THE BIBLE predicted
For our END TIMES era.


“The day is dawning when all religions will be regarded as emanating from one great spiritual source ; all will be seen as unitedly providing the one root out of which the universal world religion will inevitably emerge.

Then there will be neither Christian nor heathen, neither Jew nor Gentile, but simply one great body of believers, gathered out of all the current religions.” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul

"Alice Bailey who channeled the words "points of light" in the book Externalization of the Hierarchy which was published by the Lucis Trust, incorporated originally in New York as the Lucifer Publishing Company. Lucis Trust is a United Nations NGO and is actively involved in U.N. summits. Assistant Secretary General of the U.N. Robert Mueller credited the creation of his World Core Curriculum for education to the underlying teachings of Djwahl Kuhl via Alice Bailey's writings on the subject."

"The purpose of modern education is social engineering designed to program students into accepting this new world religion of global government. In 1947 John Dewey, the father of American public education said that education must teach "...establishment of a genuine world order, an order in which national sovereignty is subordinate to world authority... "

In 1947 National Education Association Associate Secretary William Carr writes in the NEA Journal that it is the job of teachers to:

"... teach about the various proposals that have been made for the strengthening of the United Nations and the establishment of a world citizenship and world government."

Simultaneously, the technology of mind control is advancing as quickly as computer technology or biotechnology.

In 1948 in his book Walden II behavioral psychologist B.F. Skinner proposes "a perfect society or new and more perfect order" in which children are to be raised by the State, rather than by parents or the family. (This is the purpose of daycare starting at 3 years old ) According to B.F. Skinner, who was photographed keeping his daughter in a box, children are trained or programmed from birth. Skinner's theories on behavior modification or the brainwashing of children would be widely implemented by educators in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s as Values Clarification and Outcome Based Education.

As the momentum of this coming one world religion has increased the current Laodecian Church in America has been blind to both its reality and implications. In 1974, The World Conference of Religion for Peace, is held in Belgium. At that convention, Douglas Roche presents a report entitled "We Can Achieve a New World Order" which states, "The U.N. calls for wealth redistribution [QX UNTHANKS OTHUGA!]: In a report entitled New International Economic Order, the U.N. General Assembly outlines a plan to redistribute the wealth from the rich to the poor nations."

above from:

http://www.paulmcguire.org/articles/articles_babylon_basra_hgwells_new_world_order.html

CHURCHILL 2


Winston Churchill

“From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)… this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”

--Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920

Sir Winston Churchill Prime Minister of England; “Zionism versus Bolshevism”, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Feb.8,1920,p5

WOODROW WILSON


Woodrow Wilson

“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
--Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom 1913

BERTRAND RUSSELL Rabid Atheist


Bertrand Russell

“I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology…It’s importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda…Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated.” Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.”

“It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more !!!CONTROL!!! over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries.”

–“ a revolt of the plebs will become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton”

--The Scientific Outlook, 1951 by author Bertrand Arthur-William Russell, philosopher, educator and mathematician

Herman Van Rompuy, The first president of Europe

HERMAN VAN ROMPUY First Pres of Europe
"Herman Van Rompuy
The first president of Europe
in front of the stars of the European Union in a suit"

Herman Van Rompuy ,The first president of Europe:

2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.”
--Herman Van Rompuy
The first president of Europe

-----------------------------------

Obama's Science Czar and author of Ecoscience, John Holdren

Obama’s Czar John Holdren, Planetary Regime:

“Perhaps those agencies, combined with UNEP and the United Nations population agencies, might eventually be developed into a Planetary Regime—sort of an international super agency for population, resources, and environment. Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable, at least insofar as international implications exist. Thus the Regime could have the power to control pollution not only in the atmosphere and oceans, but also in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes that cross international boundaries or that discharge into the oceans. The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade, perhaps including assistance from DCs to LDCs, and including all food on the international market.”

“The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.
--“Ecoscience”, pages 942 and 943

AARON RUSSO, NICK ROCKEFELLER
Aaron Russo and Nick Rockefeller

The following quote in red was told to Aaron Russo, the Hollywood producer of “The Rose”, “Trading Places”, “Wise Guys” and “America, Freedom to Fascism”.

He was the founder of “Restore the Republic”
(http://www.restoretherepublic.com)
He attempted to start the Constitution Party in 1994. Aaron died in 2007 of bladder cancer.

The following quote by Nick Rockefeller (David Rockefeller’s brother) is paraphrased by Russo.

“The end goal is to get everybody chipped, to control the whole society, to have the bankers and the elite people control the world”

Nick (Rockefeller)offered Russo membership in the CFR. Russo turned him down.


Winston Churchill Prime Minister of England

CHURCHILL 1


Winston Churchill

“From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing.”

“This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”

--1922 Winston Churchill, London Press



Henry Ford

The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts.”
— Henry Ford, American founder of Ford Motor Company

[QX: Sound familiar?]

from:

http://www.paulmcguire.org/articles/articles_babylon_basra_hgwells_new_world_order.html

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.

The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups."

–Excerpt from: "Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time" (Macmillan Company, 1966,) by Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, President William Jefferson Clinton.

Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Maos leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history." [Hideous traitor] David Rockefeller, [brother of Nick quoted above], statement in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung: (NY Times 8-10-73)

In his 1933 book, "The Shape of Things to Come " Wells predicts that the headquarters of this world government would be in Basra, Iraq which is relatively near Babylon and modern Iran.

A year later the occult teacher Alice A. Bailey whose writings are channeled from a [demonic] spirit guide. the Tibetan Master, Djwahl Kuhl. Bailey wrote in The Externalization of the Hierarchy about "points of light" in connection with a "New Group of World Servers" and claims that 1934 marks the beginning of "the organizing of the men and women... group work of a new order... [with] progress defined by service... the world of the Brotherhood... the Forces of Light... [and] out of the spoliation of all existing culture and civilization, the new world order must be built."

Quix: I'm aware that some folks calling themselves CONSERVATIVES find it fashionable to agree with the Marxist socialist Main Stream Media about such topics. I don't understand such DOUBLE-MINDEDNESS.

On that score, probably James 1:8 MIGHT be edifying:

New International Version (©1984)
he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.

English Standard Version (©2001)
he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

29 posted on 12/16/2011 12:27:19 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Please remove me from your ping list.


30 posted on 12/16/2011 12:31:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

You’re not on any of my ping lists.

A Freeper suggested you’d be interested.


31 posted on 12/16/2011 12:40:06 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Minn
1 John 3:13
Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
32 posted on 12/16/2011 12:52:15 PM PST by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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To: Quix

Never mind then. /Emily Litella ;^)


33 posted on 12/16/2011 2:00:34 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

THX.

I have no idea what:

“Emily Litella”

means.

Have a blessed CHRISTmas with those you love.


34 posted on 12/16/2011 4:10:50 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Just an old SNL joke. May you have a Merry Christmas too.


35 posted on 12/16/2011 4:52:36 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

I rarely watched the thing even way back when.

Goldie Hawn I thought was a kick. Smart lady, too.


36 posted on 12/16/2011 5:03:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
First grade in 1963 we had morning pledge and prayer. Once a month we had an assembly where a preacher came in to talk to the kids. None of this was compulsory nor was 4-H which even had devotion. My principal in grade school was a Minister of music in his church. My high school principal was a preacher. This was all in public school. After the end of the school year the principal was bust doing weddings for many of his senior class the previous year. The principals were respected by students.

Schools of today thanks to ones like Madalyn Murray and later Barry Lynn {I refuse to call him reverend} made certain GOD was not mentioned in any public venue including schools. Schools have become infested with teachings of homosexuality without parents knowledge and day camps for compliance to the will of the government. In short they are what the likes of Herbert Marcuse and others set out to make them which is Marxist Training Centers.

We banned prayer from schools. We now see blood spilled where a kid with no moral values opens fire on classmates and teachers. We have teachers void of any morality who seduce their students into sex acts.

We banned GOD from our government. We now openly have the most morally corrupt leaders in our nations history in office this minute. It is not by chance that our nations economical fall was lead by a blatant homosexual from the state which the first shots of freedom were fired. Even the most Deist of the Founding Fathers understood and embraced the fact that national morality depended upon the nations people and leaders embracing Judeo/Christian values and morality.

I hate to say it and hate for it too have too happen this way. But the only way I see this nation turning back to GOD at this point is when practice of Jewish and Christian faith becomes outlawed. I say it based on Biblical history. Forbid it and the people will seek it out. Exile a nation from GOD so they will turn back. We can't say as a nation we weren't warned. Choices were made.

37 posted on 12/16/2011 5:35:19 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

VERY WELL PUT.

Even the Chinese government has learned the hard way that

REPRESSION OF CHRISTIANITY MULTIPLIES IT EXPONENTIALLY.

They don’t understand it but know that’s true.

Nevertheless, they still can’t restrain themselves from repressing it.

WE SHALL OVERCOME

BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND THE WORD OF OUR TESIMONY.

Thanks for your kind reply.

May you have a blessed CHRISTmas and New Year with all those you Love.

May God lead you ever more fully into His perfect will and ways for you and those you love.


38 posted on 12/16/2011 5:48:46 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
It may happen in our lifetime that China has more freedoms including worship than China. We may also see the time when we have to make the choice between GOD and the NWO religion which the way it's headed will likely be Islam.

You and yours have a good CHRISTmas as well. This one will be different likely for both of us that's for sure. My B.I.L. went home last year right at Christmas time {year ago today} and dad followed this past October. Because Christ was born into this world and died for our sins we have hope and an eternal future away from the troubles of this world awaiting us.

39 posted on 12/16/2011 6:37:57 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Whoops : It may happen in our lifetime that China has more freedoms including worship than U.S.


40 posted on 12/16/2011 6:39:52 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
Forbid it and the people will seek it out. Exile a nation from GOD so they will turn back. We can't say as a nation we weren't warned. Choices were made.

Except the united States is not a nation of people who are genetic descendants of a man who God chose and made an eternal Covenant. If anything, we are the exact opposite.

Before there is any "exile" there was always a prophet sent by God to speak for Him. In the OT economy, something we left with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the Spirit now coming to people of every nation and tribe, the type of Christ and the doctrine of Redemption was established in the Covenant with Abraham. With the reality of the Cross and the full Revelation of Christ, there is no need for types and shadows - as you propose.

If you absolutely insists on destroying Grace, and transmogrifying the Creator into a day-by-day, act-by-act Zeus-like God who randomly hurls bolts of lighting down rather than the God who has said that He will Judge on The Last Day, then take solace in Leviticus 18:28.

If you want to continue to hate America and wish death and destruction on Americans because you project your impatience and intolerance on God and insist that He is your personal hit-man, then perhaps you would be more interested in an accommodating religion like Islam.

41 posted on 12/16/2011 6:57:54 PM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: cva66snipe

WELL PUT.

THX THX.

My birth Dad left this life Sunday evening about 2200. I was just realizing today that I won’t get any more unshelled pecans from his trees from him. I enjoyed the becans. However, the bigger blessing to me was that he was being atypically thoughtful toward me. Sigh.

A loss of a parent can be an interesting transition.

God’s comfort to you and yours.


42 posted on 12/16/2011 7:07:31 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Theophilus
You entirely missed the point. GRACE given to man as an individual and judgment upon individual nations is two very different things. GOD still judges nations. He judged Rome did he not? Due to moral collapse and corruption it fell. A nation rejecting GOD can not expect to continue prosper. Nor can a nation who turns against Israel for that matter. Look at Great Brittan's White Paper act when Hitler was loose in Germany. Where does Britain stand in the world today?

The freedom to in public express religion can become outlawed overnight. Exile BTW can include but is not limited too be taken out of one nation. It can mean forced from your home and/or placed in prison or elsewhere.

As individuals we have the Covenant of Christ. As a nation we do not. We are not a protected nation from GOD's wrath just because some are Jews or Christians.

As for hating my nation? I want this nation restored to the nation of my youth. I could be outside playing and my parents did not have too worry. I could walk downtown in the nearby city at night with no fear as a 14 year old. Now as an adult you best be armed.

George Washington: "You can't have national morality apart from religious principle."

James Madison "We've staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all our heart."

Abraham Lincoln: "The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of the government of the next."

John Adams. June 21, 1776 "Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty."

So you tell me then did these men hate the USA as well? As for your accusations against me? Go tell Obama.

43 posted on 12/16/2011 7:29:33 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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What insulting UNBiblical tripe.

I never knew there was THIS MUCH ignorance about Biblical prophecy and the END TIMES . . . much less that there really were REPLACEMENTARIANS running around loose claiming to love Jesus.

None of us hate America in the least. If we did, we’d keep our warnings to ourselves.

How is NOT warning of coming calamities LOVING AMERICAN MORE???? What an idiotic idea!

Sheesh, what nonsense!

However, if y’all decline to pay attention to God’s Word about the END TIMES as well as about Israel, y’all can jolly well bear the consequences of that illogical choice all on y’all’s own. The warnings have been plentiful and persistent as well as VERY BIBLICALLY founded.

I still wonder what it will take for some of y’all to wake up . . .

—the building of the 3rd Jewish Temple?
—The Anti-Christ’s 7 year treaty with Israel?

—The Abomination of Desolation erected in the 3rd Temple?
—The Mark of the Beast?* . . . with the beheadings for not accepting it and worshiping satan incarnate? [see excerpt from post #29 below about that]

—The one world religion?

—The one world government?

—The death of 1/3 of the world’s population followed later by the death of 1/3 of what’s left?

What will it take to convince y’all that y’all have bet on the wrong horse most irrationally and most horribly?


Aaron Russo and Nick Rockefeller

The following quote in red was told to Aaron Russo, the Hollywood producer of “The Rose”, “Trading Places”, “Wise Guys” and “America, Freedom to Fascism”.

He was the founder of “Restore the Republic”
(http://www.restoretherepublic.com)
He attempted to start the Constitution Party in 1994. Aaron died in 2007 of bladder cancer.

The following quote by Nick Rockefeller (David Rockefeller’s brother) is paraphrased by Russo.

“The end goal is to get everybody chipped, to control the whole society, to have the bankers and the elite people control the world”

Nick (Rockefeller)offered Russo membership in the CFR. Russo turned him down.


44 posted on 12/16/2011 7:32:38 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Colofornian

(They could call it the “Instantaneous Occupy Heaven’” movement...

You are onto something. Flash Mob Tebows!!!!!!! Love it!


45 posted on 12/16/2011 8:45:04 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: cva66snipe
GOD still judges nations. He judged Rome did he not?

No. Do you have proof that this was a judgement of God or is it sheer speculation?

What do you make of these passages?

1 Cor 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes,

James 5:9-10 Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!

2 Tim 4:1 the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

Acts 17:31 ... because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained

Psalms 110 talks all about a future judgement on the Last Day.

Do you see a pattern here? God demonstrates His patience until He judges all at His Parousia - not just because you are vexed. Why should you as a living person enjoying God's earth have His ear when the martyred saints are still crying "How long LORD before you avenge our blood?" (Rv 6:10)

Nor can a nation who turns against Israel for that matter.

Interesting. Since the US has began its support for Israel since 1948, we have lost all of our wars, divorce, adultery, abortion, illegitimacy, drug abuse, lawlessness are up, education , morality, honesty and our global economic ranking are down and continue to plummet, we are under more tyranny and official oppression now than at any time in our nation's history and the Church is a spiritual train wreck. In contrast, the three wealthiest nations, with growing educated populations in the world are Muslim ones in the Middle East. Explain how the empirical evidence is highly contradictory to your statement.

Look at Great Brittan's White Paper act when Hitler was loose in Germany. Where does Britain stand in the world today?

I'm looking at Germany, the country that actually had pogroms and stuffed millions of Jews into ovens and they are in much better economic and moral shape than the UK which fought to free the Jews and actually initiated the Balfour Declaration that beget the nation of Israel. Again, the evidence is exactly the opposite of what you propose.

The freedom to in public express religion can become outlawed overnight

So what? Are you saying that the gates of Hell can prevail against the Church (Mt 16:18)? How, in the days of official oppression by Rome, did the Early Church manage to get the Gospel out to the entire World in Paul's Day? (Col 1:6,23)

It can mean forced from your home and/or placed in prison or elsewhere.

You are aware that Paul and his companions routinely held choir practice in prison (Ac 16:25). The world's most effective Evangelist did lots of prison time yet hundreds of millions have come to Christ because of his work. In the last ten years, six million Christians in the Congo have been slaughtered by their Muslim neighbors. Are their lives of no value to God, or are they not genuine Christians because they don't have First Amendment rights?

As individuals we have the Covenant of Christ. As a nation we do not. We are not a protected nation from GOD's wrath just because some are Jews or Christians.

I'm trying to parse this statement. We are individuals who live in a nation with both wheat and tares - JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE PAST TWO THOUSAND YEARS! I don't get your point. When our LORD returns, the tares, not nations will be torn up and burned - not because of some threshold of sin that you propose, but because they are not wheat. I honestly don't understand someone who claims to know the Gospel is so hung up on thinking like all nations are Covenant nations.

As for hating my nation? I want this nation restored to the nation of my youth. I could be outside playing and my parents did not have too worry. I could walk downtown in the nearby city at night with no fear as a 14 year old. Now as an adult you best be armed.

That is hysteria programmed in to your head by those who profit in fear, uncertainty and doubt. Take a look at crime stats in every category, they are down from a half generation ago. There are still many areas of the country where people leave the doors unlocked and keys in the car ignition without fear. Urban areas always had crime and a criminal element. With 24 hour news cycles, and with a government that criminalizes everything, of course it seems that the entire world is lawless.

So you tell me then did these men hate the USA as well

If you compare your quotes to those of our Founders you posted here, you talked about God "judging" America. You used the word "exile" which usually begins with siege, famine, pestilence, mass death, war and the entire place being burned to the ground, then the few survivors are chained up and hauled off to a foreign land to spend their remaining years as slaves and parents of slaves. I don't see that same imagery or despair in their quotes.

You wrote down a future of death and misery which is wildly different from their statements. So your accusation is an absurd non sequitor.

I'm not trying to condemn you, I'm simply trying to steer you away from very bad doctrine that leads you to evil thoughts regarding your neighbor and your country. The Futurists mentality is poison and instead of seeking to minister, the system promotes defeatism and seeking escape. We as believers are exhorted to be salt and light, not prophets of Doom almost begging for enslavement and death just so we can take a magic carpet ride out of it when it gets too close to home.

46 posted on 12/16/2011 9:20:42 PM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Quix
I never knew there was THIS MUCH ignorance about Biblical prophecy and the END TIMES . . . much less that there really were REPLACEMENTARIANS running around loose claiming to love Jesus.
I knew we could count on you to open up with lies, insults and hypocrisy - while violating FR posting rules by making it personal - particularly when I have asked you on many occasions to stop.

I have also, on many occasions debunked your insulting and hypocritical accusations of "Replacementarian" showing that YOU are the ilk that embraces every aspect of replacing the OT version of Israel with America and yourself.

So why do you continue your pointless attacks when it is clear you have zero intention on ever being honest or having an honest discussion?

You write about biblican prophecy "ignorance" but you reject two thousand years of scholarly writings, teaching and commentary on the topic and have even bastardized to an almost unrecognizable state Dispensationalism that has only been around as a heretical system since the mid 1800s, and only in a relatively small denominations in North America.

Lets look at some of the lunacy that you embrace.

I still wonder what it will take for some of y’all to wake up . . . —the building of the 3rd Jewish Temple? —The Anti-Christ’s 7 year treaty with Israel?

Exactly what prophet has God appointed to guide the building of the Temple? Oh that's right, there is none.

How about opportunity? Hmmm it seems that God has somehow given the Muslims millennia old sovereignty over the land so that it wouldn't be built. In fact, Israel had, on more than one occasion, full control over all of Jersualem, and if so desired, could have built a temple there. But they didn't because no one but a very few Jewish zealots and a whole bunch of ignorant "Christian" Futurists in America want to thrust an entire race of people back into a bloody system of animal sacrifice and slavish obedience to the Law in total rebellion to Christ's work on the Cross.

Furthermore, and this has been pointed out to several times - the original temple mount isn't even there. It was torn down along with the Temple. The original Temple location is just south of the present Dome of the Rock which now sits on what was then Fort Antonio, or where the Roman army had its encampment. Even if there was anyone who could or would be inclined to actually construct a temple (and not have it blown up the very next day by pissed off Muslims) the ground isn't there.

So no one but you and your fellow kooks want a Temple, when Israel had the numerous opportunities to build it - they declined to do so because the nation of Israel is a secular political entity made up of nominal Jews, atheists, Christians and Muslims - not some sort of Aaron Levite priesthood.

But don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy

And for the antichrist - we have done this dance many times before - there is no scriptural support for your fantasy. In fact, the only apostle that wrote about the AntiChrist said that there were many and were already around at the time he was writing. So your antichrist is actually self-imagined fiction that is in opposition to the writings of the Apostle John.

So don't let contradictions to the Bible interfere with your vanity religion.

The Abomination of Desolation erected in the 3rd Temple?

Two major problems with this. First of all, the bible declares the "Abomonination of Desolation" to be the "armies that surround Jerusalem" (compare Lk 21:20 with Mk 13:14) not this "Left Behind" fictional character to sell comic books. There is no mention whatsoever of a third temple - you are forced by your system to make that up out of thin air.

—The one world religion?

Really? Are you that naive? Are Jews and Muslims going to work with the Athiests and Hindus to make a one world religion? That is asinine.

—The one world government?

Really? You say this as an Islamic Caliphate is being constructed, the European Union is disintegrating, Russia is feeling its oats, China is emerging as the lone world hyper power, and the Indians have zero interest in merging their billion plus population with anyone. None of these players are going to take a back seat to anyone else. Do you really think China can get along with rabid Muslims? Seriously? Forget about the real obvious stuff like that, its clear that you think God has temporary powers or that He changes His mind. Why do you think Genesis 11 speaks of God destroying the one and only "One World Government"? Are the reasons then any different than the reasons now?

Do you even reject your own insipid malinterpretations of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation when it talks about "the nations" (note the plural which is the opposite of a single one-government). You folks are so deranged that you contradict your own teachings.

I could point out more insanity, but like how a dog returns to his own vomit....

47 posted on 12/16/2011 10:01:42 PM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: The Theophilus; cva66snipe; Quix
Verses that show GodIS judging us daily.

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Colossians 3:25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, And his ears unto their supplication: But the face of the Lord is upon them that do evil.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God?

1Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, be subject unto the elder. Yea, all of you gird yourselves with humility, to serve one another: for God resisteth(resisteth=present tense) the proud, but giveth grace to the humble.

Of course there was Ananias and Sapphira. A NEW TESTAMENT couple that God judged in the here and now. Acts 5 1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 and kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thy heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 While it remained, did it not remain thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thy power? How is it that thou hast conceived this thing in thy heart? thou has not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down and gave up the ghost: and great fear came upon all that heard it. 6 And the young men arose and wrapped him round, and they carried him out and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much. And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 But Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to try the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them that have buried thy husband are at the door, and they shall carry thee out. 10 And she fell down immediately at his feet, and gave up the ghost: and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her by her husband. 11 And great fear came upon the whole church, and upon all that heard these things.

2Peter 3: 3 knowing this first, that in the last days mockers shall come with mockery, walking after their own lusts, 4 and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for, from the day that the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willfully forget, that there were heavens from of old, and an earth compacted out of water and amidst water, by the word of God; 6 by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 but the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing that these things are thus all to be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy living and godliness, 12 looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for these things, give diligence that ye may be found in peace, without spot and blameless in his sight. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and for ever. Amen.

48 posted on 12/16/2011 10:35:50 PM PST by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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I knew we could count on you to open up with lies, insults and hypocrisy - while violating FR posting rules by making it personal - particularly when I have asked you on many occasions to stop.

Let's see if I can get this correct . . . I springboard off your post with a post of fierce condemnation of an undefined membership class of folks who post grossly UNBiblical blasphemous hideousness indicating that ALMIGHTY GOD BREAKS HIS EVERLASTING PROMISES to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

And You accuse me personally of lying. Yet I'm the one breaking the FR rules and hypocrisy?

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I have also, on many occasions debunked your insulting and hypocritical accusations of "Replacementarian" showing that YOU are the ilk that embraces every aspect of replacing the OT version of Israel with America and yourself.

What an incredible nonsensical, inaccurate fantasy! Dream on. Evidently the RC's have loaned out their DAFFYNITIONARY.

So why do you continue your pointless attacks when it is clear you have zero intention on ever being honest or having an honest discussion?

More very personally directed personal assault by someone whining about such where none existed. Impressive.

I've demonstrated plenty of willingness, over the years, to have honest dialogue about such issues when there's a shred of evidence the other side is WILLING AND CAPABLE of carrying their side of such.

We don't see too much evidence of that from most of the rabid REPLACEMENTARIANS HEREON. I don't lose much sleep over tweaking at the willfully blind rabid folks who demonstrably aren't able and seemingly aren't willing to engage in their half of such an honest dialogue. imho, they deserve every bit of emotional intensity they trigger. Particularly when our side persistently posts within the rules and their side frequently does not.

You write about biblican prophecy "ignorance" but you reject two thousand years of scholarly writings, teaching and commentary on the topic and have even bastardized to an almost unrecognizable state Dispensationalism that has only been around as a heretical system since the mid 1800s, and only in a relatively small denominations in North America.

That's quite fascinating in view of your accusation about lying above.

Giovanna Nicoletta and a number of us have DOCUMENTED REPEATEDLY . . . MANY authentic, serious scholarly quotes to the contrary from the span of Christendom over the last 2,000 years. Denial of those facts does not render them untrue. The 1800's allegation is wholsale 100% FALSE, 100% WRONG, 100% UNTRUE, 100% FARCICAL, 100% INCORRECT, 100% INACCURATE, 100% ABSURD, 100% DISHONORABLE, . . .

Lets look at some of the lunacy that you embrace.

I still wonder what it will take for some of y’all to wake up . . . —the building of the 3rd Jewish Temple? —The Anti-Christ’s 7 year treaty with Israel?

Exactly what prophet has God appointed to guide the building of the Temple? Oh that's right, there is none.

How about opportunity? Hmmm it seems that God has somehow given the Muslims millennia old sovereignty over the land so that it wouldn't be built. In fact, Israel had, on more than one occasion, full control over all of Jersualem, and if so desired, could have built a temple there. But they didn't because no one but a very few Jewish zealots and a whole bunch of ignorant "Christian" Futurists in America want to thrust an entire race of people back into a bloody system of animal sacrifice and slavish obedience to the Law in total rebellion to Christ's work on the Cross.

More absolutely shocking Biblical ignorance.

Evidently y'all think that Almighty God will have some problem directing Israel's construction of the 3rd Temple. Evidently y'all have replaced ALMIGHTY GOD with a midget hand puppet.

I didn't realize how many of y'all were . . . lacking in awareness . . . about the sacrifices during the Millenial reign of Christ. They are a mystery but clearly in Scripture . . . evidently . . . except in the rubberized 'Bibles' of the REPLACEMENTARIANS.

Furthermore, and this has been pointed out to several times - the original temple mount isn't even there. It was torn down along with the Temple. The original Temple location is just south of the present Dome of the Rock which now sits on what was then Fort Antonio, or where the Roman army had its encampment. Even if there was anyone who could or would be inclined to actually construct a temple (and not have it blown up the very next day by pissed off Muslims) the ground isn't there.

On that's very fascinating!

A minority perspective is now asserted as ABSOLUTE TRUTH! Is that some Papal encyclical by the REPLACEMENTARIAN'S POPE?

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So no one but you and your fellow kooks

THANKS for that gratuitous very personally directed personal assault, yet again. Impressive.

want a Temple, when Israel had the numerous opportunities to build it - they declined to do so because the nation of Israel is a secular political entity made up of nominal Jews, atheists, Christians and Muslims - not some sort of Aaron Levite priesthood.

Evidently y'all think ALMIGHTY GOD was clueless about those HE OBVIOUSLY DIRECTED to establish the State of Israel again in a day precisely as prophetically predicted. I'm sure ALMIGHTY GOD is impressed with y'all's assessment of His cluelessness.

But don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy

Perhaps y'all could take that under advisement. I'm confident that's the most charitable word Almighty God might use about y'all's theology and eschatology on such matters.

And for the antichrist - we have done this dance many times before - there is no scriptural support for your fantasy. In fact, the only apostle that wrote about the AntiChrist said that there were many and were already around at the time he was writing. So your antichrist is actually self-imagined fiction that is in opposition to the writings of the Apostle John.

This is amazing. Given all the stage setting already achieved in the last 60 years . . . and the very brazen overt stage setting currently going on. Given the reports of his already working behind the scenes . . . that anyone claiming to know the Bible could assert such absurdities as in the paragraph above is truly shocking.

Now I really am getting concerned for y'all's theology lest it rob some of you of eternal life. Dreadful. Absolutely incredible.

So don't let contradictions to the Bible interfere with your vanity religion.

My perspective doesn't involve any contradictions. That's y'all's exclusive turf on these topics.

The Abomination of Desolation erected in the 3rd Temple?

Two major problems with this. First of all, the bible declares the "Abomonination of Desolation" to be the "armies that surround Jerusalem" (compare Lk 21:20 with Mk 13:14) not this "Left Behind" fictional character to sell comic books. There is no mention whatsoever of a third temple - you are forced by your system to make that up out of thin air.

It's difficult to imagine a more absurd construction on the Biblical facts. Christ's own words are a great place to start.

Mark 13:14:

New International Version (©1984)
"When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

"IT" does NOT = armieS. LOL

Sure the Anti-Christ has armies. Clearly that verse is not talking about armies.

The most logical explanation is the classical one--AN IMAGE OF THE ANTICHRIST set up in the Temple to be worshiped as God.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"The day is coming when you will see the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing where he should not be." (Reader, pay attention! [those with eyes to see and ears to hear]) "Then those in Judea must flee to the hills.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

International Standard Version (©2008)
"So when you see the destructive desecration standing where it should not be (let the reader take note), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
“But whenever you see the unclean sign of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, standing where it ought not ( He who reads, let him perceive ) then those who are in Judea should flee to the mountains.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"When you see the disgusting thing that will cause destruction standing where it should not (let the reader take note), those of you in Judea should flee to the mountains.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But when you shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that reads understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:

Mark 13:14

The Message (MSG)

Run for the Hills
 14-18"But be ready to run for it when you see the monster of desecration set up where it should never be. You who can read, make sure you understand what I'm talking about. If you're living in Judea at the time, run for the hills; if you're working in the yard, don't go back to the house to get anything; if you're out in the field, don't go back to get your coat. Pregnant and nursing mothers will have it especially hard. Hope and pray this won't happen in the middle of winter.



Mat 24:15:

New International Version (©1984)
"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--

New Living Translation (©2007)
"The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about--the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place (some are convinced that means he will place his idol in the Holy of Holies of the 3rd Temple--which certainly would signal to the Jews that they'd bet on the !WRONG! HORSE!)." (Reader, pay attention!)

English Standard Version (©2001)
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

International Standard Version (©2008)
"So when you see the destructive desecration, mentioned by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader take note),

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But whenever you will see the desecrated sign of desolation that was spoken by Daniel the Prophet, standing in the holy place, ( he who reads should consider )

DANIEL 11:31:

New International Version (©1984)
"His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

So, here we have the AC's armed forceS rising up and THEY WILL set up THE ABOMINATION THAT CAUSES DESOLATION--so, clearly, for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, the armieS are NOT THE abomination that makes desolate.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"His army will take over the Temple fortress, pollute the sanctuary, put a stop to the daily sacrifices, and set up the sacrilegious object that causes desecration.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.

Daniel 11:31

The Message (MSG)

 29-32 "'One year later he will mount a fresh invasion of the south. But the second invasion won't compare to the first. When the Roman ships arrive, he will turn tail and go back home. But as he passes through the country, he will be filled with anger at the holy covenant. He will take up with all those who betray the holy covenant, favoring them. The bodyguards surrounding him will march in and desecrate the Sanctuary and citadel. They'll throw out the daily worship and set up in its place the obscene sacrilege. The king of the north will play up to those who betray the holy covenant, corrupting them even further with his seductive talk, but those who stay courageously loyal to their God will take a strong stand.

—The one world religion?

Really? Are you that naive? Are Jews and Muslims going to work with the Athiests and Hindus to make a one world religion? That is asinine.

THANKS AGAIN for the personal assault.

Such . . . lack of Biblical and current events awareness . . . to be maximally charitable . . . is again extremely shocking to the max.

Which of the following words of the Marxist globalist ruling elite do y'all not understand?

Alice Bailey

ALICE BAILEY
ALICE BAILEY
Globalist Advocate
Of
One World Religion

Just as THE BIBLE predicted
For our END TIMES era.


“The day is dawning when all religions will be regarded as emanating from one great spiritual source ; all will be seen as unitedly providing the one root out of which the universal world religion will inevitably emerge.

Then there will be neither Christian nor heathen, neither Jew nor Gentile, but simply one great body of believers, gathered out of all the current religions.” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul

"Alice Bailey who channeled the words "points of light" in the book Externalization of the Hierarchy which was published by the Lucis Trust, incorporated originally in New York as the Lucifer Publishing Company. Lucis Trust is a United Nations NGO and is actively involved in U.N. summits. Assistant Secretary General of the U.N. Robert Mueller credited the creation of his World Core Curriculum for education to the underlying teachings of Djwahl Kuhl via Alice Bailey's writings on the subject."

"The purpose of modern education is social engineering designed to program students into accepting this new world religion of global government. In 1947 John Dewey, the father of American public education said that education must teach "...establishment of a genuine world order, an order in which national sovereignty is subordinate to world authority... "

In 1947 National Education Association Associate Secretary William Carr writes in the NEA Journal that it is the job of teachers to:

"... teach about the various proposals that have been made for the strengthening of the United Nations and the establishment of a world citizenship and world government."

Simultaneously, the technology of mind control is advancing as quickly as computer technology or biotechnology.

In 1948 in his book Walden II behavioral psychologist B.F. Skinner proposes "a perfect society or new and more perfect order" in which children are to be raised by the State, rather than by parents or the family. (This is the purpose of daycare starting at 3 years old ) According to B.F. Skinner, who was photographed keeping his daughter in a box, children are trained or programmed from birth. Skinner's theories on behavior modification or the brainwashing of children would be widely implemented by educators in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s as Values Clarification and Outcome Based Education.

As the momentum of this coming one world religion has increased the current Laodecian Church in America has been blind to both its reality and implications. In 1974, The World Conference of Religion for Peace, is held in Belgium. At that convention, Douglas Roche presents a report entitled "We Can Achieve a New World Order" which states, "The U.N. calls for wealth redistribution [QX UNTHANKS OTHUGA!]: In a report entitled New International Economic Order, the U.N. General Assembly outlines a plan to redistribute the wealth from the rich to the poor nations."

above from:

http://www.paulmcguire.org/articles/articles_babylon_basra_hgwells_new_world_order.html



Which words in the following Scriptures about said satanic world religion do y'all not understand?

Revelation 13:8

New Living Translation (NLT)

8 And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made—the Book that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered.[a]

Rev 14:11:

New International Version (©1984)
And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."

New Living Translation (©2007)
The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name."

ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELONG TO THIS WORLD worshiped the beast.

If that's not a satanic one world religion, I don't know what is.

Revelation 13:12
He exercised all the authority of the first beast. And he required all the earth and its people to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

AGAIN, . . . obviously a ONE WORLD RELIGION precisely of the sort the elites have been advocating and bringing about for decades. It did NOT happen in 70AD. What nonsense to pretend it did.

And which of the following words do y'all not understand from the elites about the Mark of the Beast?

The following quote by Nick Rockefeller (David Rockefeller’s brother) is paraphrased by Russo.

“The end goal is to get everybody chipped, to control the whole society, to have the bankers and the elite people control the world”

Nick (Rockefeller)offered Russo membership in the CFR. Russo turned him down.

AT the rate of DISBELIEF IN SCRIPTURE that some REPLACEMENTARIANS seem to be stuck in . . . they'll evidently line right up to get the chip implant for a sure one way ticket to hell.

—The one world government?

Really? You say this as an Islamic Caliphate is being constructed, the European Union is disintegrating, Russia is feeling its oats, China is emerging as the lone world hyper power, and the Indians have zero interest in merging their billion plus population with anyone. None of these players are going to take a back seat to anyone else. Do you really think China can get along with rabid Muslims? Seriously? Forget about the real obvious stuff like that, its clear that you think God has temporary powers or that He changes His mind. Why do you think Genesis 11 speaks of God destroying the one and only "One World Government"? Are the reasons then any different than the reasons now?

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Ahhhhhhhhh . . . sooooooo y'all's nonsensical interpretations of current geopolitical stuff trumps God's Word?

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I'll stick with my study of globalism since 1965 and my study of Biblical prophecy since 1962. Y'all's nonsense it beyond absurd as well as terminally uninformed.

There are several things that could change all of those factors overnight or near overnight. Unprecedented is NOT the same as impossible. That y'all are so . . . unaware . . . on such scores may no longer be surprising. It IS, however, terminally sad and dreadful.

Do you even reject your own insipid malinterpretations of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation when it talks about "the nations" (note the plural which is the opposite of a single one-government). You folks are so deranged that you contradict your own teachings.

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MORE unmitigated NONSENSE.

Do ya'll even READ THE BIBLE???

Scripture is quite clear . . . the Antic-Christ rules ALL THE NATIONS for a period of time. Most folks seem to think at least 3.5 years or some major portion thereof. It is doubtful but possible that he might for most of the 7 years. I think most think not. At least 2-3 'kings'/nations are restive and contrary to the point of conflict.

I don't think the Bible ever calls the Anti-Christ's kingdom ONE NATION. Y'all really ought to read the Bible before posting foolishly. It's embarrassing to observe.


49 posted on 12/17/2011 12:05:02 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I agree :)


50 posted on 12/17/2011 3:42:06 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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