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Tea Party Leader Arrested After Attempting to Check in With Gun at Airport(NY)
foxnews.com ^ | 15 December, 2011 | AP

Posted on 12/16/2011 6:04:03 AM PST by marktwain

NEW YORK – A leader of a tea party group was arrested after he took a gun to LaGuardia Airport.

Tea Party Patriots co-founder Mark Meckler was taken into custody Thursday morning after he tried to check in for a Delta flight to Detroit with a locked gun box containing a Glock pistol and 19 cartridges of ammunition, Queens prosecutors said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: airport; banglist; checkedgun; gun; ny
The article does not mention that federal law protects travelers with guns from local prosecution, as long as they can legally posess the gun where they started the trip, and where they are going, and the gun is unloaded and in a locked container.

This type of incident shows why we need federal legislation requiring states to honor the permits of other states, in order to uphold the Second Amendment.

1 posted on 12/16/2011 6:04:13 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If federal law does protect him, why did they charge him? And the article mentions that others are prosecuted and usually pay fines.


2 posted on 12/16/2011 6:09:08 AM PST by republicangel
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To: marktwain
The article does not mention that federal law protects travelers with guns from local prosecution, as long as they can legally posess the gun where they started the trip, and where they are going, and the gun is unloaded and in a locked container.

If he was just changing planes in LaGuardia, that's true. But, the article doesn't indicate if NYC was simply a connection point, or if he stopped in NYC for any amount of time.

If it was a connection, then the Port Authority screwed up, big time. Meckler was complying with the law, and has grounds for a tort action against the arresting officer and the law enforcement agency.

3 posted on 12/16/2011 6:09:18 AM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: marktwain

Dumb of Meckler. Since when did the Tea Party have leaders?

meh


4 posted on 12/16/2011 6:09:50 AM PST by dforest
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To: marktwain

I thought at first perhaps since it was Foxnews, they might have checked into what they were reporting regarding “cartridges” but then saw it was a scum AP article.

So was he carrying 19 loose “cartridges” or was he carrying one or two magazines with a total of 19 “bullets” (the usual AP lingo for rounds)?


5 posted on 12/16/2011 6:12:31 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: indylindy

Tea partiers arrested for a felony are promoted by Big Media to tea party “leaders”.

Kind of like since Hussein’s regime, Big Media reports our troops capturing or killing Taliban/AQ “leaders”.


6 posted on 12/16/2011 6:16:16 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: republicangel
If federal law does protect him, why did they charge him? And the article mentions that others are prosecuted and usually pay fines.

Because the prosecutor can, has deep pockets, and will not be held personally responsible for his actions.

Most people pay fines because the cost of the fine is much less than the cost of council to fight the charge over time.

Some people have fought the charges and won, but it typically takes months or years, and many thousands of dollars.

7 posted on 12/16/2011 6:17:59 AM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
I have traveled often with a firearm. There are certain procedures involved but it is legal. I declared my weapon (Read: SIG 229) at the check in counter. They looked at the lock box, asked me if it was unloaded, then marked my checked bag with a tag that said "Fire Arm". I didn't particularly like that marking but.....

Anyway, while returning from overseas I went through JFK airport. So I had to pick up my checked bag at the international terminal then go through the xray scanner on the domestic side. I wasn't concerned as I had my paperwork in hand. Of course the bag was clearly marked as stated above. Soon as my bag went into xray this moron screener started yelling, "GUN! GUN! GUN! I was immediately surrounded by about 5 police officers. It was embarrassing as people were scattering all around me. One police officer maintained some composure and asked me if it was my bag. I said Yes Sir, produced my papers (military ID) and went on my way the NC. The screener had to sit down for a minute as she was obviously in a high state of anxiety. Guess guns in NYC are scary to many eh?

8 posted on 12/16/2011 6:23:06 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Yep, that is what I mean. AP probably couldn’t wait to report this as a way to smear all Tea Party people.

They don’t care if the guy did nothing wrong.


9 posted on 12/16/2011 6:26:49 AM PST by dforest
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To: marktwain
This is simple harassment:

FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners` Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage.

Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered. Travelers should be aware that some state and local governments treat this federal provision as an “affirmative defense” that may only be raised after an arrest. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit has also recently held that FOPA`s protections only apply while the firearm is not readily accessible to the traveler, and that a firearm is readily accessible during a hotel stay.

While this decision is only binding in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware and the U.S. Virgin Islands, all travelers in areas with restrictive laws would be well advised to have copies of any applicable firearm licenses or permits, as well as copies or printouts from the relevant jurisdictions` official publications or websites documenting pertinent provisions of law (including FOPA itself) or reciprocity information. In the event of an unexpected or extended delay, travelers should make every effort not to handle any luggage containing firearms unnecessarily and to secure it in a location where they do not have ready access to it.

10 posted on 12/16/2011 6:27:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (That's all.)
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To: marktwain

This is the same BS that got the president of a local university recently arrested on gun charges in New York. He had a concealed carry permit in this state and also had his gun unloaded in a locked case in accord with information from the airline website about traveling with a firearm. New York’s gun laws go beyond what even the federal laws allow and he too was arrested on gun charges. I am sure New Yorkers are so safe with these laws that cause law abiding citizens seeking their own protection to be arrested while the criminal element goes about fully armed.


11 posted on 12/16/2011 6:36:10 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: The Great RJ; All

This may backfire on them. It is this sort of abuse that house bill 822, dealing with reciprocity of carry permits between states, is designed to deal with.


12 posted on 12/16/2011 6:47:49 AM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: indylindy

Well ... have you ever gone to a Tea Party meeting? If so, who organized it? What was the name of the group? Does the group have any affilitations with other Tea Party groups?

The Tea Party Patriots is the largest of the organized Tea Party groups out there, and Mark Meckler is one of the founders. Here in Washington State, if you go to a Tea Party meeting, I can pretty much guarantee it is a Tea Party Patriot group.

Mark came and spoke to our local chapter last month. He regularly liases with congress members about issues that are important to the membership, and he was the first tea party member to meet with Speaker Boehner back in 2010 to discuss what is important to us.

If you dont know that the Tea Party has organization, leaders, members, meetings, and activities, then I would suggest that you probably are not part of the movement.


13 posted on 12/16/2011 6:54:58 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - Look at his actual record while in office. Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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To: marktwain

Who goes to Detroit with only 19 rounds of ammo?


14 posted on 12/16/2011 7:36:12 AM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Moltke
Who goes to Detroit with only 19 rounds of ammo?

Police detention?

15 posted on 12/16/2011 7:47:48 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: RainMan

I am aware there are organizers. Organizers aren’t leaders.

The idea was always to keep from having announced “leaders”.

That was the reason the left had so many problems knowing how to attack the Tea Partys.

Looks like they are figuring it out now, doesn’t it? This shouldn’t really be news, but it is.

I wasn’t knocking Meckler for being wrong, but face it, this is exactly the type thing the left uses to brand the Tea party as bad guys.


16 posted on 12/16/2011 7:49:26 AM PST by dforest
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To: marktwain

The article needs more information.

If in a locked box and being transported, was it because his ammo was in box too?

Was he transferring baggage between flights? If so, I have read never touch your bag. Make the airport touch it.

I travelled once from PA to NY for a firearms class. Most nervous time in my life although complying with law.


17 posted on 12/16/2011 7:53:27 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: School of Rational Thought

From TSA’s website:

“Firearm magazines and ammunition clips must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm.

Small arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber for a rifle or pistol and shotgun shells of any gauge, may be carried in the same hard-sided case as the firearm, as long as it follows the packing guidelines described above.”


18 posted on 12/16/2011 8:15:37 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: marktwain
Typical FoxSlews.com...made it sound like the Tea Party guy was launching an assault on the check-in counter.

"I'm checking in for my flight.
And, I don't want no lip from ya either!!!"

19 posted on 12/16/2011 8:28:48 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Also, the NYT said he had been in New York since Sunday. He legally traveled to NY with his firearm and then *stopped* in NY for a visit. Meckler did not have a license to posses a handgun in New York City, as is required. See http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/nyc.aspx

As soon as Meckler stopped in NYC to conduct personal or professional business, he became subject to their retarded laws. He should have skipped NYC.


20 posted on 12/16/2011 8:49:23 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: indylindy

I completely disagree with your notion that organizers are not leaders. What are we? Anarchists? If you think that we can grow as a movement without leadership, then I challenge you to show me even one time in human history when a movement survived without those willing to put thier own names on the line. The American Revolution ... sorry, anyone here on FR can name you at least 20 patriot leaders from those days, and most could name more.

What about candidates that run on the Tea Party platform. Are they leaders? Do you consider Nikki Hayley or Michelle Bachman or Paul Ryan to be leaders of the movement. Surely, our elected officials who are pushing our policies would be considered our leaders. How about those willing to go out and initiate discussions in the press, pushing our values and principles like Sarah Palin.

This brings us to people like Meckler. Without his efforts, there would be NO organization of the Tea Party in much of the country. He is supported by State organizers, who in turn are supported by group organizers. With no organization, we would not be able to learn about things even as simple as places and times we should rally, let alone get educated on the issues that we need to learn about. A leaderless group will never go on the offensive.

Organization allows us to coalese around our core principles (which in the case of the Tea Party Patriots is Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Market Economics. What, do you think those spring from our heads like Athena from Zeus? No, LEADERSHIP developed those as our core tenants.

I have never once heard anyone state that the goal of Tea Party is to be leaderless to keep the left from being able to figure out how to attack us. The meetings I participate in, we are organized, we have leadership, and we are trying to figure out how to take the fight to them. If we truely were leaderless, they would not need to attack us, we would simply fade from view. To view the Tea Party as a leaderless movement is naive.


21 posted on 12/16/2011 8:49:55 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - Look at his actual record while in office. Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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To: RainMan

I think you have latched on to me out of frustration. I have no quarrel with Mr Meckler. I was just pointing out how the media, AP in this case, will use anything they can find to damage the Tea Party.

That is true no matter what you say. The rest I won’t argue about.


22 posted on 12/16/2011 8:55:32 AM PST by dforest
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To: treetopsandroofs; All
It is amazing how many fricken clueless "journalists" are "on the job" reporting about "guns."

I got into it with a dopey liberal neighbor of mine once re bullets vs. cartridges. I took out a drinking straw and a 55gr. 5.56 bullet and blew the bullet across the room through the straw. Pretty dangerous, huh?

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Anyway, despite the fact that transporting firearms via air is legal, perhaps folks should break them down before packaging them according to federal regulations.

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Body search?

(Yes, I'm a Sig Sauer fan)

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And get some professional training!

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23 posted on 12/16/2011 9:07:35 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: justlurking

I believe the law states while in transit. He could get off the plane, rent a car, drive to Kentucky or Florida, and return to the airport and get back on a plane home. Until he arrives back home, he is in transit.


24 posted on 12/16/2011 9:28:35 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: cizinec

and the magazine is considered to be a hard sided case


25 posted on 12/16/2011 9:52:36 AM PST by cyclotic (People who live within their means are increasingly being forced to pay for people who didn't.)
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To: taxcontrol

“I believe the law states while in transit. He could get off the plane, rent a car, drive to Kentucky or Florida, and return to the airport and get back on a plane home. Until he arrives back home, he is in transit.”

Transit typically ends when you stop to visit grandma, conduct business, etc. If he had merely been passing through, he wouldn’t have left the airport and gone on to conduct whatever business he had in NYC.

If you want to be safe, don’t travel to NYC and tell others you won’t go there and why.


26 posted on 12/16/2011 11:27:43 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: marktwain

>This type of incident shows why we need federal legislation requiring states to honor the permits of other states, in order to uphold the Second Amendment.

I honestly disagree; the following two laws should be utterly adequate to stomp on local government officials trying to subvert the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/241.html
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/242.html


27 posted on 12/16/2011 3:54:37 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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