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Romney's Mormon Problem
Slate ^ | October 17, 2011 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 12/16/2011 7:29:46 AM PST by Belteshazzar

I have no clear idea whether Pastor Robert Jeffress is correct in referring to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, more colloquially known as the Mormons, as “a cult.” There do seem to be one or two points of similarity. The Mormons have a supreme leader, known as the prophet or the president, whose word is allegedly supreme. They can be ordered to turn upon and shun any members who show any signs of backsliding. They have distinctive little practices, such as the famous underwear, to mark them off from other mortals, and they are said to be highly disciplined and continent when it comes to sex, booze, nicotine, and coffee. Word is that the church can be harder to leave than it was to join. Hefty donations and tithes are apparently appreciated from the membership.

Whether this makes it a cult, or just another of the born-in-America Christian sects, I am not sure. In any case what interests me more is the weird and sinister belief system of the LDS, discussion of which it is currently hoping to inhibit by crying that criticism of Mormonism amounts to bigotry.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012campaign; media; mormon; romney; zots4romneybots
Like it or not, if Mitt Romney is the GOP nominee, here is what is coming from the media and the DNC.
1 posted on 12/16/2011 7:29:59 AM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: Belteshazzar

Yup, and Mitt will answer all the coming vitriol in his usual, nicey, nicey, stuttering manner. And then he’ll lose. He’s Tom Dewey all over again, a worthless, moderate, republican loser.

God help us!


2 posted on 12/16/2011 7:35:56 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Belteshazzar

Or if Huntsman is the nominee.


3 posted on 12/16/2011 7:36:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: Belteshazzar

His religious group doesn’t allow blacks in position of leadership, this is the big “gotcha” waiting to bite him in the butt if the Repubs are dumb enough to try to run him.

Their practice of secrecy and putting “church” above family will cement the deal.

Nothing trumps the race card as we saw in the last election.


4 posted on 12/16/2011 7:36:27 AM PST by wrench
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To: Belteshazzar

Harry Reid is Mormon...so they can trash their Senate Majority Leader too.


5 posted on 12/16/2011 7:44:18 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Belteshazzar

Mitt Romney is a Mormon like Ted Kennedy was a Catholic and like you are not a Bigot.


6 posted on 12/16/2011 7:47:11 AM PST by jwatz49
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To: wrench

Yep. Been saying this for several years. Romney is terribly vulnerable.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 7:47:26 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: wrench
"His religious group doesn’t allow blacks in position of leadership"

That hasn't been true since the late '70s.

8 posted on 12/16/2011 7:48:10 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Jedidah

It is as true today as ever.


9 posted on 12/16/2011 7:50:33 AM PST by wrench
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To: americanophile

Reid’s constituency is from an area of high Mormon population and doesn’t think the beliefs strange. He couldn’t get elected nationally, either.


10 posted on 12/16/2011 7:50:43 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: jwatz49

No, that is incorrect.
Romney is a “temple worthy” mormon, which means he is one of the approx 15% allowed into the inner temple. There are a few dozen rules that must be upheld to the letter for this “recommendation”.
He has served as bishop and stake president.
He is about as high as one can be and not declared a “prophet”, in mormonISM.


11 posted on 12/16/2011 7:52:34 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: wrench; americanophile

I think you meant that reply for Post #8.


12 posted on 12/16/2011 7:52:40 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: wrench

Sometime in the 1970’s the mormon god told the leaders in SLC that blacks were now ok. The mormon god changes his mind quite frequently.


13 posted on 12/16/2011 7:54:36 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Belteshazzar

Yeah, and Romney is responsible for putting Christopher Hitchens down for a dirt nap! < / sarcasm >


14 posted on 12/16/2011 7:56:20 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Belteshazzar

heck I would expect whole mini-series on Mormon, polygamy, and Mormon fairly recent racist past.


15 posted on 12/16/2011 7:59:50 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Jedidah

He’s still one of the top leaders of their party.


16 posted on 12/16/2011 8:01:57 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

Amen ! If we can select a person with “Hussein” as middle name, you know that, mormon and Mitt is a sill issue ! Talk about Romney’s record, that is a different story !

Yes, romney is a rhino but for this election cycle, that should be even enough to get elected. Folks, we don’t have a good candidate. Sanatorum, Rick perry or Michelle Bachmann is going nowhere and people like Marco Rubio or Jindal or other conservatives are not running. Let us try to push Romney to Right ! There is no other choice ! Hope, he will select the most conservative VP !


17 posted on 12/16/2011 8:03:44 AM PST by Ranjit
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To: americanophile

“Harry Reid is Mormon...so they can trash their Senate Majority Leader too.”

He is a Democrat. It’s not going to work that way. Where have you been?


18 posted on 12/16/2011 8:04:28 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Belteshazzar
Romney's Mormon Moron Problem
19 posted on 12/16/2011 8:06:14 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: jwatz49

Did you read the article? Because your response is entirely beside the point.


20 posted on 12/16/2011 8:08:32 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: svcw

I’m afraid his pro abortion/baby killer stance pretty much
puts him at arms length from the Mormon Church. He is a politician plain and simple. Did you ever think that these bigoted anti-mormon posts might be coming from the democratic machine?


21 posted on 12/16/2011 8:12:18 AM PST by jwatz49
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To: Belteshazzar

...chuckle ;)


22 posted on 12/16/2011 8:18:07 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: jwatz49
Mitt Romney and Harry Reid are temple recommend holding breakaway LDS sect mormons in good standing. The hard left turn morally and politically is coming straight from the top.

Monsona nd Oaks allowed Reid to tell the entire BYU faculty and Student body in 2007 that Ezra Taft Benson "lead the church down the wrong path." The above picture was taken after that speech....this speaks VOLUMES.

Monson is turning on Benson the same way Brigham Young turned on the deceased Smith when he declared the JST bible to be a fraud.

23 posted on 12/16/2011 8:19:40 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: jwatz49

——Did you ever think that these bigoted anti-mormon posts might be coming from the democratic machine?——

No, I thought they were coming from insecure Christians that are terminally intolerant


24 posted on 12/16/2011 8:21:44 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: jwatz49

Actually Romney’s stance on abortion doesn’t put him at arms length with SLC lds rules and regulations about the subject.

I have not seen any bigoted anti-mormon posts on FR. I have seen articles from lds sources about mormonISM however.

Romney is a temple mormon which means he is the highest of the high, he must be in alignment with all that mormonISM is to receive that temple recommendation.

As a side note so is Harry Reid who also won an award from BYU a couple of years ago for being a fine example of a mormon.


25 posted on 12/16/2011 8:29:10 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: bert
God is intolerant of false prophets and blasphemy IE mormonISM.
26 posted on 12/16/2011 8:35:21 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: jwatz49
Mitt is a full blown Mormon, LDS as one can get. Temple worthy tithe bill paying god in training. So that dog won't hunt.

Thanks for popping up...


27 posted on 12/16/2011 8:36:21 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: jwatz49
When they excommunicate him we'll talk. Right now they are glad to have his money an his support.

Doesn't say much about the LDS when you try and make that as a point...

And I'll ignore your stupid "demcratic machine" tripe...

28 posted on 12/16/2011 8:41:13 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: bert
No, they are coming from very secure Christians who don't buy the modern “Oprah Winfrey” version of the faith, have read and understand the Bible, know our duty and find those who insult the Savior need correcting...
29 posted on 12/16/2011 8:45:05 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: jwatz49

“...like Ted Kennedy was a Catholic and like you are not a Bigot”

and like you are not an a$$.

Questioning Mormon theology and practices doesn’t make one a bigot. The theology really isn’t a huge factor in the election - but that race issue will be. Any Mormon seeking national office needs to have a better answer than “you’re a bigot.”


30 posted on 12/16/2011 9:57:19 AM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Belteshazzar

Most decent folks will not care whether Mitt is a Mormon.

This is a uniquely heretical form of Christianity, bordering on a bit of New Ageism. But the Mormons that I know are all very good citizens, follow the Ten Commandments with great respect, and promote family, faith and freedom/country above all else. Mormons do not constitute a threat to anyone in America.

Romney as President would certainly be an improvement over the pseudo Christian not in the White House.

As for myself I am still trying to decide between Mitt, Newt, or Rick Perry. The others are off my radar at the present time.

My biggest problem is that I do not believe Newt can possibly win in the general election, even though he continually makes me cheer when he debates and comes up with gems like last night - about the idiocy of the current resident of Pennsylvania Ave.’s attitude toward the pipeline. Newtr does like to tell it like it really is - no beating around the bush for him.

I liked last night’s debate - it was more tilted toward the need to replace Obama in the next election - music to my ears.


31 posted on 12/16/2011 10:17:00 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

For the most part I agree with what you are saying. However, in the article Christopher Hitchens, who is by his own admission, non-Christian, and thus very secular in outlook, and additionally not an American by birth but a keen and long-time observer of the American scene is putting his finger on a problem that will surface and be used against Romney, if he is the nominee, in a way that, for example, Newt’s Catholicism or Perry’s Baptist affiliation cannot and will not be used against them. Thus with Romney you have his generally moderate, policy-triangulating stance (a nice way of saying flip-flopping) together with his connection to a religion that most Americans either do not take seriously or find alternately “zany” and troubling. That and the fact that his electability is open to question. He is, for goodness sake, a one-term governor, who did not then even get elected with a majority vote.

It is difficult to see in Romney any improvement over McCain. I would take either Perry or Gingrich in a heartbeat over Romney. Both are more electable, no matter what the illuminati of the GOP establishment are saying. The people will vote for them for one simple reason, either represents a clear turn away from Obamaism and business as usual, something Romney does not.

Obama wants to face Romney. That you can take to the bank.


32 posted on 12/16/2011 11:41:54 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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