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Dems call on Rep. West to apologize for Joseph Goebbels comparison
The Hill ^ | 12/16/11 10:09 AM ET | Alicia M. Cohn

Posted on 12/16/2011 9:58:09 AM PST by BradtotheBone

Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) landed in hot water on Friday for his remarks the previous day comparing the Democrats’ proficiency in getting out their message to the notorious head of the Nazi Party’s propaganda department under Hitler.

“If Joseph Goebbels was around, he’d be very proud of the Democrat Party, because they have an incredible propaganda machine,” West said Thursday.

Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) sent West a note expressing his disappointment in the remark. “I beg of you to help raise the level of congressional discourse in vigorous debate without resort to personal attacks,” Conyers wrote in a handwritten note first obtained by Politico.

West’s remarks came even as Democrats and Republicans scrambled to reach a bipartisan agreement on a spending bill necessary to continue funding the government into the new year.


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If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Yep, Geobbel's would be proud of the modern day Democratic Spin Machine.

1 posted on 12/16/2011 9:58:15 AM PST by BradtotheBone
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To: BradtotheBone

“If Joseph Goebbels was around, he’d be very proud of the Democrat Party, because they have an incredible propaganda machine,”

And the problem with that statement is....???


2 posted on 12/16/2011 10:00:28 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: BradtotheBone
". . . Conyers wrote in a handwritten note first obtained by Politico."

How convenient!!!

3 posted on 12/16/2011 10:02:12 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: BradtotheBone

Dear Congressman West:

I beg of you to help raise the level of congressional discourse in vigorous debate without comparing us to Nazis, in particular Josef Goebbels.”

Sincerely,
Hermann Goering


4 posted on 12/16/2011 10:03:33 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: BradtotheBone

The Democrats have been comparing our side to Nazis for years. I recall one incident in particualar in which a Democrat Congressman or Senator accused the Republicans of acting like Nazis during an open committee hearing.

I don’t remember a single call for an apology from anyone at the time, nor do I remember any apology being offered.


5 posted on 12/16/2011 10:03:33 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: BradtotheBone
“I beg of you to help raise the level of congressional discourse in vigorous debate without resort to personal attacks.”

--Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), to Rep. Allen West



Translation: I'm begging you to quit telling the truth about me and my party. Please stop with the truth, already...it doesn't help me or my party.
6 posted on 12/16/2011 10:03:56 AM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: BradtotheBone
No challenge to the ACCURACY of the statement; just embarassment that they are called out on it.

Why don't they "come out of the closet", like their constituency?

7 posted on 12/16/2011 10:04:09 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: BradtotheBone
West should immediately release the following statement:

"I am sorry that Joseph Goebbels would be very proud of the Democrat Party, because they have an incredible propaganda machine."

8 posted on 12/16/2011 10:04:37 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: BradtotheBone

Politico, Obama, Conyers, Wasserman, Reid, Pelosi, etc. would be in perfect company with Hitler’s mouthpiece, NAZI, Joseph Goebbels, etc. No apology needed or necessary. The truth hurts, but.....the truth is still the truth!!!


9 posted on 12/16/2011 10:09:50 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Navy Patriot

‘Proud’ was an unfortunate use of words. ‘Jealous’ would have been better.


10 posted on 12/16/2011 10:10:47 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: BradtotheBone

Flashback:

“Rep. Steve Cohen stands by ‘Nazi’ comments”

“Tennessee Democratic Rep. Steve Cohen stood by comments he made on the House floor late Tuesday night in which he used a Nazi comparison to discuss Republicans who call the health care law a “government takeover,” but insisted he was making a point about lying, not trying to insinuate that Republicans were Nazis.

“It wasn’t about Nazis, it was about lies,” Cohen told The Daily Caller Wednesday. “The biggest liar, the biggest political liar was Goebbels. Politifact called this the biggest lie of the year. If you don’t stand up and say lies are lies, they stand for the truth. Somebody has to come out and say they’re lies. Politifact did and I cited Politifact. I have no problem with that.”

http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/19/rep-steve-cohen-stands-by-nazi-comments/


11 posted on 12/16/2011 10:11:20 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: BradtotheBone
Democrats can't stand the truth!!

They live on lies.

12 posted on 12/16/2011 10:11:36 AM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: BradtotheBone

Joseph Goebbels learned his methods from an American progressive Democrat named Edward Bernays. Bernays book, “Crystallizing Public Opinion” was a prized possession that Goebbels showed off to all when showing his library.


13 posted on 12/16/2011 10:12:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: BradtotheBone
Goebbels was more honorable than today's Democrats -- he was completely honest about his contempt for "inferior races." Democrats lie about it with rhetoric about "working families."
14 posted on 12/16/2011 10:14:33 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Milton Miteybad
I caught Conyers on video telling the truth!
15 posted on 12/16/2011 10:16:49 AM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: PALIN SMITH
Amazingly enough, Conyers often speaks the truth. He just doesn't hold to it.

“We’ve got to educate the American people at the same time we educate the President of the United States. The Republicans, Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor did not call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. The President of the United States called for that,

-John Conyers July 27th 2011

Conyers on Jobs: “We’ve Had It.” Lays Out Obama, Calls for Protest at White House
16 posted on 12/16/2011 10:18:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: BradtotheBone

If you're taking flak, you know you're over the target. Go Lt. Col. West!

17 posted on 12/16/2011 10:19:46 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Qbert

Great comparison.


18 posted on 12/16/2011 10:21:17 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: BradtotheBone
Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) landed in hot water on Friday ... .

In hot water with whom? About what? The truth?

19 posted on 12/16/2011 10:22:40 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
And the problem with that statement is....???

The truth hurts.

20 posted on 12/16/2011 10:22:51 AM PST by kennedy (No relation to those other Kennedys.)
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To: BradtotheBone

He should tell Conyers to just shut up and get his shine box.


21 posted on 12/16/2011 10:23:37 AM PST by montyspython ((Romney-Perry-Obama ... No Way))
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To: BradtotheBone
West should tell conyers to ____ off! It's an accurate analogy!

Mike

22 posted on 12/16/2011 10:26:23 AM PST by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: BradtotheBone

I see no reason for him to apologize. The liberal Democrats hate the truth. And they just hate.


23 posted on 12/16/2011 10:29:25 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: BradtotheBone

“If Joseph Goebbels was around, he’d be very proud of the Democrat Party, because they have an incredible propaganda machine,” West said Thursday.

And where in that is a personal attack? No one singled out, just the party in general and their propaganda machine.


24 posted on 12/16/2011 10:31:36 AM PST by smalltownslick
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To: Milton Miteybad

“I beg of you to help raise the level of congressional discourse in vigorous debate without resort to personal attacks.”

—Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), to Rep. Allen West

“Furthermore I don’t want you to mention that my wife, Monica, has gone to prison for 37 months for corruption.” Goebbels and Goehring could have learned a bunch from this corrupt bastard!


25 posted on 12/16/2011 10:32:59 AM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Milton Miteybad

“I beg of you to help raise the level of congressional discourse in vigorous debate without resort to personal attacks.”

—Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), to Rep. Allen West

“Furthermore I don’t want you to mention that my wife, Monica, has gone to prison for 37 months for corruption.” Goebbels and Goehring could have learned a bunch from this corrupt bastard!


26 posted on 12/16/2011 10:35:35 AM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: BradtotheBone

You know you’re scoring points when the Democrats start complaining that you’re being too harsh on them.


27 posted on 12/16/2011 10:36:06 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: BradtotheBone
While Hitler, Goebbels made use of the phrase (paraphrase), it is unfairly overlooked that the original quote on the subject has been attributed to Vladimir Lenin, making the comparison to the Democratic Party more apropos.

A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
Vladimir Lenin
Russian Communist politician & revolutionary (1870 - 1924)
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/838.html

28 posted on 12/16/2011 10:37:17 AM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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Well, I like West a lot, but I think this was not his finest hour.

I am sick and tired of all and sundry being compared to the Nazis - it serves to reduce the horror of that regime. I didn't like when Bush was called a Nazi and I don't think it helps the political discourse to raise such a comparison. The Dems are hypocritical, lying, deceiving, disingenuous, Machiavellian megalomaniacs - but they still don't reach the level of Goebbels. Not only was Goebbels the propaganda minister, he was one of the main overseers of the "Final Solution". The day after Hitler's suicide he and his wife killed their six children before themselves committing suicide.

I do agree, however, with the observation that there is a double-standard: Bush being called a Nazi was uncritically embraced by the MSM; West is publicly denounced.

But, as we are on the verge of losing the last living witnesses of the Holocaust, I am sick and tired of it being invoked for every political disagreement. The Dems are worms and behaving despicably, but even they have a long way to go the reach the depravity of the Third Reich.

29 posted on 12/16/2011 10:49:59 AM PST by In Maryland ("Truth? We don't need no stinkin' truth!" - Official Motto of the Main Stream Media)
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To: BradtotheBone

West is right on!


30 posted on 12/16/2011 10:51:22 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: BradtotheBone

After both parties collaborated on the passage of the NDAA, it would seem that they are all Sturmabteilung now.


31 posted on 12/16/2011 10:51:54 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: lbryce

Communists and Nazis only difference is in the uniforms they wear...trying to explain the difference between the two is like trying to explain the difference between the Bloods and the Crips.


32 posted on 12/16/2011 10:53:16 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: BradtotheBone

Never apologize - it’s a sign of weakness.


33 posted on 12/16/2011 10:54:25 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Dear Congressman West:

I beg of you to help raise the level of congressional discourse in vigorous debate without comparing us to Nazis, in particular Josef Goebbels.”

Sincerely,
Hermann Goering


or...

Dear Congressman West:

I beg of you to help raise the level of congressional discourse in vigorous debate without comparing the Nazi Party to the Democrat Party. We reject that outright as slanderous... to Nazis.

Sincerely,
Hermann Goering


34 posted on 12/16/2011 11:04:16 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: BradtotheBone

Hey Dems, if the shoe fits. Just saying.....


35 posted on 12/16/2011 11:05:02 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: BradtotheBone

The Fascists and the Nazis were both left-wing, big-government, totalitarian ideologies.

Mussolini learned his politic methodology as a member of the Communist Party. And Hitler was a conservative? I think not. Hitler and Stalin shook hands and divided Poland between them, but then fell out because they were competing for the same job—ruler of the world.

I think we need to keep pressing that obvious point.

Just as we need to press the point that the Democrats were—and still are—the party of slavery and Jim Crow, while it was the Republicans who freed the slaves and led the civil rights movement, until the Dems moved in and subverted it.

We cannot afford to let Communist liars constantly re-write history.


36 posted on 12/16/2011 11:08:00 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: BradtotheBone

Remember that one of the men that Joseph Goebbels most admired was Edward Bernays, who served as the head of the new propaganda department under Woodrow Wilson. The Nazis were amazed at how Bernays and Wilson were able to manipulate people in the United States. Despite what people have been taught by the Progressive educators (propaganda???), the United States was first and foremost in the propaganda arena and Goebbels and the Nazis were a distant second.

In a side note, Bernays was the father of the “modern” art of advertising which translates to “propaganda for money”..


37 posted on 12/16/2011 11:19:34 AM PST by dchristensen
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To: loveliberty2

I should also point out that when Goebbels office was searched, books written by Edward Bernays. It wasn’t that Goebbels would have approved, but more that Goebbels regarded Bernays as his hero.


38 posted on 12/16/2011 11:20:03 AM PST by dchristensen
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To: dfwgator
You're absolutely right. Political thinkers, historians have a very hard time defining Communism, Nazism, as to where exactly on the right/left ideological map they belong. I've read interpretations of Nazism as being far left, other difficult-to-understand political analyses, etc.

But simply as a matter of historical perspective, conventional point-of-view, attributing the quote to Lenin makes Communists as progenitor for Democratic left wing ideology all the more metaphorically symmetrical.

39 posted on 12/16/2011 11:50:08 AM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: BradtotheBone

Hopefully he refuses to engage in their silly games of semantics. Some of these hacks have a blood lust that would put Geobells to shame.


40 posted on 12/16/2011 11:51:08 AM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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And the problem with that statement is....???

That it is true!

41 posted on 12/16/2011 11:55:47 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: BradtotheBone

Dear Congressman Conyers:

Go to Hell!


42 posted on 12/16/2011 11:58:31 AM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: formosa

Rep.West swats the demo-nats at will.All GOPers need to follow his lead.


43 posted on 12/16/2011 12:00:58 PM PST by shanover (These are the times that try men's souls....tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Paine)
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To: BradtotheBone; AngelesCrestHighway; blueunicorn6; Cicero; Cincinatus; Colonel_Flagg; freekitty; ...
 
  I see nothing to apologize for.

44 posted on 12/16/2011 12:03:09 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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  I'm not the President.
I just play one on T.V.

45 posted on 12/16/2011 12:15:02 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: loveliberty2

“Conyers wrote”

Conyers can actually write!!!!

Who knew?!?!


46 posted on 12/16/2011 12:18:23 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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“I beg of you to help raise the level of congressional discourse in vigorous debate without resort to personal attacks...”

Personal attacks? Conyers and his party have never been one to raise the level of discourse or vigorous debate. Did he repudiate statements made by his fellow Democrat earlier this year that there are congress members who would like to see blacks lynched? Did Politico obtain a handwritten note to that effect? Sure! /s

47 posted on 12/16/2011 12:25:50 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: BradtotheBone

Truth to Democrats is the equivalent of garlic to vampires.


48 posted on 12/16/2011 12:53:29 PM PST by monocle
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To: Qbert
Cohen is probably now pi$$ed that HE didn't get a hand written note from Conyers.
49 posted on 12/16/2011 12:57:05 PM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
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To: BradtotheBone

Where was the personal attack in West’s comment? Just another example of a dishonest word/meaning twist by a democrat. It also makes me wonder why Repubs haven’t brought West onto the National scene. I know about his commitment to his voters but these voters should not hold back a man with West’s qualifications and demonstrated backbone from a lineup of POTUSA candidates. West certainly knows where military collusion with Obama has taken this Nation. West has shown he is rock solid for the Founders intention for this Nation.


50 posted on 12/16/2011 1:20:14 PM PST by noinfringers2
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