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(Emily) MILLER: Choosing a gun
The Washington Times ^ | 12/09/2011 | Emily Miller

Posted on 12/16/2011 10:03:54 AM PST by aimhigh

In my quest to obtain a legal gun in Washington, D.C., I've gone to the registry office, taken a 5-hour course, filled out paperwork and met with the city’s only dealer. I’ve now fulfilled any requirements that can be done before giving the city the serial number of my new gun, so it is time to decide what to buy.

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The latest in her series on buying a firearm while living in DC.
1 posted on 12/16/2011 10:04:01 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
I recommend a compact Glock 40.

This thread will be fun.

3 posted on 12/16/2011 10:09:27 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: need_auto_help

That’s a large frame revolver. It may not fit her hand. The best general purpose handgun for a non “gun person” is something K-frame size and chambered in 357 Magnum, but loaded with 38 Special +Ps.


4 posted on 12/16/2011 10:16:34 AM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: aimhigh

Too many variables. It’s not like asking what’s the best LCD TV for the money.

She needs to go to a range, try quite a few and see what appeals to her.


5 posted on 12/16/2011 10:16:34 AM PST by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: aimhigh

I’ve been looking at the Ruger LC9 and the beretta PX4 Storm. Good luck!


6 posted on 12/16/2011 10:17:10 AM PST by Floyd Rivers
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To: Navy Patriot

They’re easy to use, but for real stopping power nothing beats a howitzer.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 10:18:30 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Bryanw92
You need to add an all steel, preferably stainless with at least a 3” barrel, better yet 4”.

Anything shorter and you can shoot your own fingers off. In a panic situation it's easy to put your fingers over the end of the barrel if it's only 2”.

8 posted on 12/16/2011 10:25:52 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
Anything shorter and you can shoot your own fingers off. In a panic situation it's easy to put your fingers over the end of the barrel if it's only 2”.

I hope this was toung in cheek. If that is your "expert" opinion, you hardly have the experience or stability to handle firearms or give advice on them.

9 posted on 12/16/2011 10:35:09 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

toung = tongue


10 posted on 12/16/2011 10:36:34 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

If weapons are that difficult to legally get in DC, why not just go over to the nearest public housing area and buy one from the locals?


11 posted on 12/16/2011 10:39:02 AM PST by 9422WMR
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To: aimhigh
In the source she states: Since Washington doesn’t allowed concealed carry (or any carry), I knew I wanted a full-size gun.

Haven't followed her series of articles but if she travels she should look into the Utah concealed permit.

That permit would give her 31 states in which to legally carry.

In which case she would be in the market for her second handgun! (Although it is not immediately clear whether she would have a problem getting that weapon into a DC airport.)

12 posted on 12/16/2011 10:40:53 AM PST by frog in a pot (I am not a birther...I am an NBCer)
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To: Navy Patriot
If you know what you want, and why, get it.

If you don't, get a Glock in 45ACP.

13 posted on 12/16/2011 10:49:39 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

You are correct; bigger holes are better! If Emily wants something traditional and useful, she should get a Commander sized .45ACP. It is the 100th anniversary of the 1911 after all. Next best choice would be a .40S&W Springfield Compact XP. Otherwise, go for the gusto and see about an MP5. Don’t mess with Emily, she’s got a gun.


14 posted on 12/16/2011 10:57:40 AM PST by toolman1401
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To: aimhigh
For women just starting out with a firearm, check out the Smith & Wesson Model 317 AirLite, 317 LadySmith Revolvers.
15 posted on 12/16/2011 10:59:13 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: frog in a pot
(Although it is not immediately clear whether she would have a problem getting that weapon into a DC airport.)

I believe only Reagan National is technically within the district. After the district was laid out, Virginia took back all of it coming from within Virginia up to the western/southern bank of the Potomac. As I heard it when I lived in Arlington, Reagan National is built on fill extending out into the Potomac, and so is part of the District of Columbia. Dulles or BWI are usually better choices anyway.

16 posted on 12/16/2011 11:08:18 AM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Lion Den Dan
No it wasn't tongue in cheek.

I've actually met someone that shot their own finger off with a snub nose .38.

He was a dealer at a gun show and wouldn't sell a 2” for that very reason.

He knew how to handle a gun. When a guy pulled a gun on him in his shop and tried to rob him, he pulled his gun and shot. His finger was over the end of the barrel.

He didn't even know he'd shot his own finger off until it was all over.

17 posted on 12/16/2011 11:11:20 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Bryanw92

Exactamundo. S&W 340 PD Airlite in 357 loaded with 38+p


18 posted on 12/16/2011 11:18:59 AM PST by Axeman77385 (I am the resurrection and the life, saith the Lord)
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To: need_auto_help
Taurus The Judge.


19 posted on 12/16/2011 11:19:27 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: aimhigh
Heckler & Koch P2000...

or

Sig Sauer P229...


20 posted on 12/16/2011 11:22:35 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: toolman1401
Don’t mess with Emily, she’s got a gun.

I've got a rifle and a gun!

21 posted on 12/16/2011 11:23:31 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Yosemitest
I've used the Aguila 60 grain SS round quite a bit in my normally ammo-sensitive 22/45 Ruger pistol. I was surprised. Clean burning, and cycles very well. 100 rds. with no problems or failures of any kind. Bullet drop, however, is significant as distance to target increases.
22 posted on 12/16/2011 11:24:26 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: FateAmenableToChange

The runways, terminals and parking lots and roads at Reagan National are in Virginia. Some of the land by the river’s edge (up to the high water mark?) is DC.


23 posted on 12/16/2011 11:28:10 AM PST by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: IMR 4350
You need to add an all steel, preferably stainless with at least a 3” barrel, better yet 4”.

I agree.

The plastic stuff in .40 has uncomfortable felt recoil for most people. If you don't take a class, learn how to "run the gun," and practice, then it doesn't matter.

I carry a Sig Sauer P229ST (stainless steel slide and frame) in 9mm and one spare mag.

(training and gaming rig)

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Wifey carries an HK P2000 in 9mm and one spare mag.

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25 posted on 12/16/2011 11:33:17 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

Look at the bright side, they could have said “MBA Gyrojet”.


26 posted on 12/16/2011 11:37:00 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: FateAmenableToChange

Thank you for that info.

It would seem perhaps her only concern then is the manner in which she would transport the weapon in DC after leaving her home.

Of course, since Maryland is not one of the Utah reciprocal states unless she can transport in the same manner she may be required to fly out of VA. And regrettably, she would be limited to 28 jurisdictions (3 of the 31 I posted upthread require Utah residency).

Sad state of affairs for adult, taxpaying Americans.


27 posted on 12/16/2011 11:50:17 AM PST by frog in a pot (I am not a birther...I am an NBCer)
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To: IMR 4350
Not only that, but as you know, being a reloader, that with a snubbie, you lose velocity which defeats the purpose of hot loads... unless it's intended to serve a dual purpose...


28 posted on 12/16/2011 11:51:54 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Axeman77385
Exactamundo. S&W 340 PD Airlite in 357 loaded with 38+p

Have you run a box or two of that ammo through an Airlite in one practice session?

29 posted on 12/16/2011 11:54:14 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: relee

The runways are all built on the fill area. You’re right about the terminals-I forgot about that. I almost always flew out of Dulles even when I lived in Crystal City, so I never really had to worry about it.


30 posted on 12/16/2011 12:01:21 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Tijeras_Slim
It was a neat concept, actually.

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/usa/1/1287739540.jpg

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Whenever I tutor liberals on handgun selection, I always suggest this moodel:

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I tell 'em I had one for quite some time...


31 posted on 12/16/2011 12:01:47 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64
A friend of mine was thinking of buying one of those super lite weight .357’s for his wife.

He shot it one time.

Changed his mind real fast.

He shoots my .41 mag all the time with no problem.

That .357 ate his lunch.

32 posted on 12/16/2011 12:01:47 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Cobra64

33 posted on 12/16/2011 12:04:21 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Cobra64

Now we’re talking.

Take out the entire gang with one pull of the trigger.


34 posted on 12/16/2011 12:09:26 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
This is precisely why the armchair commandos shouldn't make recommendations on handgun selection if they have no hands on experience with the weapon and the caliber.

Last Spring, I took a three day Advanced Pistol Operator class and shot my 226ST in 9mm and consumed ~1,700 rounds. This one couple were shooting a G22 and G23. At the end of the first day, their fingers were taped up. They've since moved on to 1911s and Glock 17s and 19s.

35 posted on 12/16/2011 12:15:29 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64
Last Spring, I took a three day Advanced Pistol Operator class and shot my 226ST in 9mm and consumed ~1,700 rounds. This one couple were shooting a G22 and G23. At the end of the first day, their fingers were taped up. They've since moved on to 1911s and Glock 17s and 19s.

I can see taping the web of your dominant hand between thumb and forefinger - the glock frame rubs me bad there after 500 rounds or so. But I've done courses with my glock 29 10mm with no more significant soreness than my glock 26, glock 23, glock 21, or glock 34. And the 1911 can wear on the skin just as easily.

36 posted on 12/16/2011 12:20:40 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Tijeras_Slim
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37 posted on 12/16/2011 12:21:38 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: IMR 4350
First off be sure she gets a revolver, preferably 357 cal and have her shoot 38 cal hollow nose in it. Get away from the blocks of soap.
38 posted on 12/16/2011 12:22:16 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ("Think for yourself")
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To: Cobra64
A guy brought his 1911 out to my place to shoot, and it kept jamming with him.

First he said there was something wrong with the gun, then there was something wrong with the mags, then there was something wrong with the ammo.

I shot it, no problem.

Didn't matter what ammo I used everything from 230gr hardball to 155SWC.

Didn't matter if I used his $35 mags or my $5 mags, no problem.

He was scared of the .45 so he limp wristed. Jam every time.

If that wasn't bad enough, should have seen his group with the 7mm mag he bought as a FIRST gun.

60 rounds and I don't think he hit the target with half after the first three.

39 posted on 12/16/2011 12:39:17 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Yosemitest
For women just starting out with a firearm, check out the Smith & Wesson Model 317 AirLite, 317 LadySmith Revolvers.

In the article, she relates her love affair with the Taurus .454 Casull. She also says she's not going to carry and wants a full-size. If she goes the revolver route, any k-frame in .38+P or .357mag would better fit her needs. Or even one bigger in .45LC or .44 special. The .38 special (normal load) has about the same recoil on a steel k-frame than the .22 does on the 317 with its light aluminum frame. For even more kicks & giggles, a 3" Ruger GP-100 or similar N-frame s&w would sit totally rock solid in her hand and shoot .38's with the same recoil as me spitting watermelon seeds. Ok, maybe a little more, but you get what I mean.

40 posted on 12/16/2011 12:39:17 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: SENTINEL
If you know what you want, and why, get it. If you don't, get a Glock in 45ACP.

I'm with you - now.

I never was much of a Glock fan until a laid-off stressed-out co-worker offered me his Glock Model 30, a Kydex holster with both a two-gang and single magazine holder, 5 magazines and 90 rounds of .45 ACP for $350 cash.

I took him up on it, got used to it, and it has since become my go-to handgun.

I did have El Paso Saddlery build me a leather holster that works both strong-side and cross-draw and a similar magazine holder setup in leather.

I am a happy camper. Little-bitty short barrel, but surprisingly accurate, fits my hand, goes off every time I ask it to and easy to field-strip and clean.

I always hated that no external safety thing, but I adapted easily. Already had a Dillon press and dies to reload the .45 ACP, but I was continually annoyed that the spent casings from my 1911 squirted everywhere and I never could find them. I got to where I would shoot standing in the middle of a 30'square tarp and still never found more than 2/3 of them. The Glock piles them up for you in the same spot.

41 posted on 12/16/2011 12:40:47 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: BooBoo1000
Agreed.

Revolver is very forgiving of dirt.

42 posted on 12/16/2011 12:48:19 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: FateAmenableToChange
After they've fired a few rounds, I try to talk them into a S&W .38 special revolver, 5 shot.
I prefer the older models, with no safety.
Then I tell them ... don't put your finger on the trigger unless you mean business.
43 posted on 12/16/2011 12:51:17 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: tickedoffnow
She needs to go to a range, try quite a few and see what appeals to her.

Read the article, she's doing just that. This is actually the second range she's visited, and tried renting all their handguns... And this time, she proudly fired a cylinder full of .454 Casull rounds out of a Ruger revolver.

Mark

44 posted on 12/16/2011 1:15:53 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Cobra64
For that effect from a snub-nose, may I suggest .38 Special or .357 loads using Hodgon H-110 or W/W 296? Expect about a 3' diameter fireball.

Mark

45 posted on 12/16/2011 1:21:56 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: IMR 4350
I understand completely. My Star "Firestar 40" is a .40S&W in steel, but it's about the same size as a Colt Mustang in .380. Not a whole lot of fun to shoot. But it IS tiny!

Mark

46 posted on 12/16/2011 1:26:03 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Lion Den Dan
toung = tongue

See, he's got a point. You got in a hurry, panicked and shot your 'e' clean off. On top of that you knocked your 'u' clear up to the middle.

47 posted on 12/16/2011 1:30:55 PM PST by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: elkfersupper
I put a full glockworx fulcrum trigger kit in one of mine mine and couldn't believe the difference. It has adjustable takeup and overtravel and release as crisp as a stock 1911.

I liek thigh rigs and use the Blackhawk serpa thig rig holster. I wear it all the time around town, even when riding dirt bikes.

48 posted on 12/16/2011 1:38:31 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: IMR 4350
Hmmm... I've never heard of limp wristing with a government model 1911. Forty ounces of steel has enough mass to mitigate that condition. BTW, the 1911 is my favorite range gun.

This one...

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Produced these results...

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49 posted on 12/16/2011 1:42:26 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: FateAmenableToChange
I can see taping the web of your dominant hand between thumb and forefinger - the glock frame rubs me bad there after 500 rounds or so. But I've done courses with my glock 29 10mm with no more significant soreness than my glock 26, glock 23, glock 21, or glock 34. And the 1911 can wear on the skin just as easily.

Interesting. These folks' fingers were rubbed raw with their 22 and 23 on their strong hand middle finger. I've since shot with them and I don't get through a mag or two and continue with one of my 1911s.

It's interesting how folks prefer certain calibers over others. Over the years, I've finally settled on 9mm, .45 auto, and more recently .38 Super.

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50 posted on 12/16/2011 1:53:48 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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