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China Skids Toward Hard Landing, Trade War Likely ^ | December 16, 2011 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 12/16/2011 11:07:58 AM PST by Kaslin

The Chinese hard landing is on its way. Please consider China's epic hangover begins by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.

China's credit bubble has finally popped. The property market is swinging wildly from boom to bust, the cautionary exhibit of a BRIC's dream that is at last coming down to earth with a thud.

"Investors are massively underestimating the risk of a hard-landing in China, and indeed other BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China)... a 'Bloody Ridiculous Investment Concept' in my view," said Albert Edwards at Societe Generale.

"The BRICs are falling like bricks and the crises are home-blown, caused by their own boom-bust credit cycles. Industrial production is already falling in India, and Brazil will soon follow."

"There is so much spare capacity that they will start dumping goods, risking a deflation shock for the rest of the world. It no surpise that China has just imposed tariffs on imports of GM cars. I think it is highly likely that China will devalue the yuan next year, risking a trade war," he said.

China's $3.2 trillion foreign reserves have been falling for three months despite the trade surplus. Hot money is flowing out of the country. "One-way capital inflow or one-way bets on a yuan rise have become history. Our foreign reserves are basically falling every day," said Li Yang, a former central bank rate-setter.

The reserve loss acts as a form of monetary tightening, exactly the opposite of the effect during the boom. The reserves cannot be tapped to prop up China's internal banking system. To do so would mean repatriating the money – now in US Treasuries and European bonds – pushing up the yuan at the worst moment.

"The reality is that China's economy today requires significantly more financing to achieve the same level of growth as in the past," said China analyst Charlene Chu.

Ms Chu warned that there had been a "massive build-up in leverage" and fears a "fundamental, structural erosion" in the banking system that differs from past downturns. "For the first time, a large number of Chinese banks are beginning to face cash pressures. The forthcoming wave of asset quality issues has the potential to become uglier than in previous episodes".

Investors had thought China was immune to a property crash because mortgage finance is just 19pc of GDP. Wealthy Chinese often buy two, three or more flats with cash to park money because they cannot invest overseas and bank deposit rates have been minus 3pc in real terms this year.

But with price to income levels reaching nosebleed levels of 18 in East coast cities, it is clear that apartments – often left empty – have themselves become a momentum trade.

Mark Williams from Capital Economics said the great hope was that China would use is credit spree after 2008 to buy time, switching from chronic over-investment to consumer-led growth. "It hasn't work out as planned. The next few weeks are likely to reveal how little progress has been made. China may ride out the storm over the next few months, but the dangers of over-capacity and bad debt will only intensify".

In truth, China faces an epic deleveraging hangover, like the rest of us.

Hot Money Outflows Increase

Bingo to Ambrose. And hedge funds have finally figured out this massive revaluation of the Yuan upward they expected is not going to happen, and the tail does not wag the dog. Thus the hot-money outflow.

China is prepared for that outflow with massive reserves, but the US is not prepared for the Yuan to stop or even slow appreciating. Devastating trade wars are likely.

They may have already started. Please see China to Impose Anti-Dumping Duties on GM; "Fair Trade" Idea is Self-Serving Scam; Proposal to Stop "Free Sunlight" Gains Support From Mitt Romney for details.

All Asia-Pacific Equity indices are in the red overnight following more bad news from China and Japan.

Asia Pacific Equities

China Manufacturing Contraction Continues Second Month

MarketWatch reports China manufacturing cools further

Chinese manufacturing activity extended its decline in December, as production at factories and the volume of new orders generated eased from the previous month, according to the preliminary reading of an HSBC survey, released Thursday.

HSBC’s so-called “flash” Purchasing Managers’ Index for the month printed at 49, staying below the threshold of 50 that separates expansion and contraction.

The flash PMI number is based on the responses of 85% to 90% of the total respondents in a survey.

In response to the weakening fundamentals of China, the Shanghai Stock index is down again this evening, having fallen back to March 2009 lows.

$SSEC Weekly Chart

click on chart for sharper image

That snapshot is as of yesterday's close. The Shanghai Index is down another 2% this evening to 2,182, approximately where the dashed blue line is in the above chart.

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; chinacrisis; chinaeconomybanks; collapse; default; economy; teotwawki
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1 posted on 12/16/2011 11:08:00 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Looks like we hitched our wagon to the wrong Commie horse.

2 posted on 12/16/2011 11:26:24 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Kaslin
China Imposes Tariff on US Car Imports (Obama Motors Gov-Subsidized Cars!)
UK Gusrdian ^ | 12-14-11 | Graeme Weardon

WTO helping China Loot Caterpillar ^ | 10/04/2010 | Howard Richman & Raymond Richman

"Why can’t Caterpillar make a profit exporting mini-excavators to China? The answer is simple: China has a 30% tariff on all excavators. In fact it has a similar high tariff on just about every vehicle, be it a Ford car, a GMC truck, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, or a giant mining machine made by Bucyrus International."

The United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations,...”

The Tariff Act of 1789 was the first national source of revenue for the newly formed United States.

3 posted on 12/16/2011 11:56:06 AM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Wolfie

What would be the right commie horse? Cuba?

4 posted on 12/16/2011 12:27:15 PM PST by expat2
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To: familyop

It could help reduce our deficits (both trade and budget) now.

5 posted on 12/16/2011 12:29:01 PM PST by expat2
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To: Kaslin


6 posted on 12/16/2011 1:37:35 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: expat2

Beats me. I’m old enough to remember when doing business with a communist country was a surefire way to go out of business. The Soviets must be kicking themselves. If only they had opened up the gulags for cheap manufacturing labor, they’d still rule the roost.

7 posted on 12/16/2011 2:01:16 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

They did use ‘em for cheap labor: mining, lumbering, etc.
What they should be kicking themselves for is not finding a market, like Walmart, for cheap plastic stuff.

8 posted on 12/16/2011 2:08:45 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kaslin

Hope all those citizens of the world from America, who set up shop in China for it’s superior slave labor, enjoy what’s coming their way. The traitors deserve it.

9 posted on 12/16/2011 3:00:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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10 posted on 12/16/2011 3:40:09 PM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Kaslin

Article said China’s run-up was TWICE as fast as Japan’s.

Know what THAT means..?

It means that China WILL make a play for Taiwan, and maybe for the whole South China Sea.

May take a couple years, but you can COUNT on that.

I would not want 2b Taiwanese right now. And I think every USN man should be able to fight hard.

And to swim.

11 posted on 12/17/2011 2:15:38 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Wolfie
If only they had opened up the gulags for cheap manufacturing labor, they’d still rule the roost.

True, true and maybe a retailer friend of the Clinton's from Arkansas to pass the goods through would help too.

12 posted on 12/17/2011 7:16:13 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Kaslin
Devastating trade wars are likely.

We've been in Asian trade wars for 30 years, with the resulting devastation of our industrial base. The only problem is we never fought back.

The former Warner and Swasey machine tool works in Cleveland OH

13 posted on 12/17/2011 7:22:26 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Kaslin
"Trade War Likely"...

About darn time.


14 posted on 12/17/2011 7:26:22 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("FREE TRADERS": Self-loathing Americans)
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To: Last Dakotan

Never fought back? Hell, we collaborated with the enemy. It worked out quite well for a small subset of us.

15 posted on 12/19/2011 3:33:04 AM PST by Wolfie
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