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Posted on 12/16/2011 9:00:22 PM PST by Libloather
Paterno 'knew' about child abuse
AFP 3 hrs ago
Former Penn State University American football coach Joe Paterno knew his assistant Jerry Sandusky had been seen molesting a child, grand jury testimony said on Friday.
Paterno's testimony was read in court during a preliminary hearing for two senior university officials accused of lying to a grand jury about what they were told of an incident of alleged child sex abuse by Sandusky.
At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge William C. Wenner ruled that prosecutors have enough evidence to send their cases against Penn State team officials Tim Curley and Gary Schultz to a trial.
The two are facing charges they lied about and failed to report the alleged sexual assault. Both had testified before an earlier grand jury that they did not think a crime had been committed.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Did anyone see Dateline tonight about the missing Pa. DA and how they now think he might have “disappeared” over his decision not to take down Sandusky.
Is Paterno being accused of any coverup?
More unbelievable..... how can ANY adult possibly be so negligent about these matters?
This was not some vague allegation of “I heard so-and-so may be such-and-such....” and then there has to be a cautious investigation to avoid making unsubstantiated charges without evidence.
There was no POSSIBLE excuse for any of the foot-dragging and inaction which followed.
This was a specific witnessed act between a grown man and a 10 yr old child in his care!!
They all had a moral and legal obligation to protect all those children from Sandusky immediately!!! Not to have meetings over weeks wondering whether to do anything.
What’s wrong with these people at Penn State????
If ever a program deserved the Death Penalty, it’s Penn State.
Programs don’t commit crimes, people commit crimes. Jail the bad guys, and leave the program that benefits the students, who have no culpability here, alone.
Right now, I couldn’t care less about any injustice that may befall the students. It pales in comparison to what happened to those kids.
Getting the death penalty turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to SMU, it has become a very good academic school.
I missed it.What did they say?
Penn State football had a $53 million profit last season, based on gross revenues of $72.7 million.
The love of money is the root of all evil.
The same thing that is wrong at a lot of universities these days - the sports program and the dollars it brings in matters more than everything else. Players are coddled while they build drug addictions, people are victimized by players and coaches, all in the name of keeping them on the field/court.
This case has gotten the attention due to the ages of the victims and their relationship to the coach and his charity, but I bet you could find rape victims on every camps in America with a perp connected to a sports program.
Or did he disappear because he WAS going to do something about it?
Getting offed for NOT doing anything doesn’t make much sense.
I have a hypothesis:
Our cultural/political “gay mafia” has so inundated people with propaganda that (especially in a politically correct university setting) people may be
1) afraid to stick their necks out to do anything,
2) demoralized about why pedophiles/pederasts must not be “tolerated” whatever one’s beliefs may be re homosexual behavior between consenting adults.
For comparison, consider if a coach witnessed Sandusky doing the same thing with a 10 yr. old girl in the showers..... I think there is a far higher likelihood that Paterno and the higher Penn State officials would have responded immediately, vigorously, with law enforcement, etc.
Maybe in part because of lingering cultural attitudes protecting girls more than boys, but also because there would not be the same total erosion of standards (yet). i.e., I’m suggesting (speculating) that it would have been intolerable for Joe Pat and other Penn State officials to twiddle their thumbs while Sandusky continued to do this with 10 yr old girls. How could they not be concerned enough about those boys?
This is mere speculation, I emphasize, but how is it that moral and cultural beliefs could be so weak that “men” (I use the term ironically now) like these Penn State officials could be so d——d unconcerned about PROTECTING these children???
He disappeared for investigating it to begin with. It wasn’t his dropping it that got him killed, it was pursuing it to begin with. JoPa needs to be in the criminal part of these charges too
Sorry, but I find that simply incomprehensible. I don't get that kind of logic, if it is even logical, and I doubt I ever will.
Punish the guilty, and not the innocent. It's the American way.
Whats wrong with these people at Penn State????
Maybe Sandusky wasn’t the only one?
If ever a program deserved the Death Penalty, its Penn State.
And possibly their entire coaching staff from the past 35 years
I think you're reading the situation completely wrong. A blind wasn't turned because there was homosexual activity. A blind eye was turned because the publicity might damage a winning collegiate sports cash cow. That wouldn't change if Sandusky was buggering girls, goats or fish.
Well, it is really the love of the pride that is the problem...not the money.
Perhaps, of course I’m sure the program and money played a huge role, but somehow it think the outrage would have been there if it had been a 10 yr old girl involved.
Or not, in either case the moral depravity of people who can countenance that behavior toward children is essentially the same whether it involves boys or girls.
I’m simply struggling to understand how it was even *possible* for such moral blindness to exist.
Okay, now I get it. He might have been ready to blow the whistle and that’s why he disappeared. WOW..
And his damaged hard drive and separate lap top were found in the nearby river.
His body hasn’t been recovered.
app;es to oranges
Very few people can play well enough to get picked by the pros. If you do, the uncertainty of a playing career isn't inspiring. You'd better have life skills other than playing a kid's game extremely well. However, all the people who love to watch the jockstraps play games will scream and howl like stuck pigs if Penn's precious athletics are threatened.
What’s wrong with these people?
The same thing that has been wrong with people throughout the entire history of humanity.
All it takes for evil to prosper, is that good men do nothing.
IF there is any truth to the allegation that Sandusky was pimping out his groomed boys to "wealthy donors"; and those folks were in danger of being "outed" through an investigation you're only one or two connections away from the wealthy crime syndicates who are very skilled in making people disappear.
McQueary said he did not provide explicit details of the March 2002 incident to Paterno but did so about 10 days later when contacted by Curley, the university's athletic director, and Schultz, the head of the school's police.
So, McQueary did not provide details to Paterno - - when he went to see him the next day - - but did provide deatils to the AD and the head of the school's police after those two finally contacted him 10 days later.
Good grief. I will cut the old man a little slack - - after all, Sandusky no longer worked for Paterno at the time, and Paterno did report his concerns to the AD and head of campus police - - but those other three need to do hard prison time.
throw in Lust and Acedia too.
That story was in the Daily Mail about two days after the Sandusky story broke...I can’t believe it has taken this long to be brought up...it stinks.
I did not see the Dateline piece, but I think it is important information.
Im simply struggling to understand how it was even *possible* for such moral blindness to exist.
These same people understand how damaging sexual molestation is to girls. But boys are not really human with feelings, I guess, to some people. A lot of people view men like this, too.
It's a cover-up of abhorrent criminal activity.
Strike that, confused Syracuse with Penn State on Allred.
The more that people with behavioral disorders are encouraged and “celebrated” in our society, the more of these kinds of scandals we are going to see. The question is, how long are Americans going to sit still for the sewage being pumped into our culture?
Paterno was told a child was molested!
That is a police matter, not something to be pushed up to the AD.
Amazing on a Conservative site you would attempt to justify those acts!
What? Paterno wasn't "sorry" the kid was being sexually abused; only that the witnessing of it extended further than desired?
What a moral moron and a moral midget!!!
From the article: According to Paterno's grand jury testimony McQueary reported to him that Sandusky was doing something with a "sexual nature" to the boy. Paterno told McQueary he had "done the right thing" by telling him. McQueary said the coach appeared shocked and saddened and said he would talk to others about what McQueary had told him. "I didn't push Mike... because he was very upset," Paterno said. "I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster."
Yup. Paterno knew.
There's cancer of the body; there's also cancer of the soul.
Heyyyyy I will write you a message but I thought you might find this thread of interest, however sadly.
I wrote this comment #13 before I’d seen your comments on another thread, then was looking for prior FR threads on the Sandusky matter.... saw that your (much more developed) comments on the the “homosexual agenda” on campuses and in our culture more broadly was pretty much what I was starting to think about here.
i.e., I agree with you that this could have happened (does happen) in many many different places and settings, that there has been a huge breakdown in standards due to the onslaught of (what I called) a “gay mafia” on campuses etc. with what you call the “homosexual agenda.”
While acknowledging other issues about Penn State’s former Pres. Spanier and the football program etc., I agree with you that much needs to be understood in terms of large cultural and moral changes which have influenced many people toward (1) fear of speaking out, and (2) tolerance of perversity.
What a low-life commentary of yours.
Perhaps you could start a support group called "Pedophiles for Paterno." And/or "Pedophiles for Penn State."
I think what has happened is that the prosecutors put their heads together & asked the question: "Can we find a dozen jurors in this state who would convict Joe Paterno?"
When the obvious answer of "no" came back, they decided upon other targets.
Oh. So because McQueary didn't provide a "game film" of the action with a complete scouting report, ya wanna "cut" him "slack" because Joe only admitted that he "KNEW some kind of inappropriate action was being taken...with a youngster."
From the article: "I didn't push Mike... because he was very upset," Paterno said. "I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster."
Tell you what, Lancey. If you ever discover "inappropriate action" is occurring against "youngsters"...perhaps your kids or grandkids...be consistent...just "look the other way" or tell others to "look the other way." Cut 'em all slack. /sad sarc
If you ever accuse somebody of being a pedophile based on something not quite clear told to you the next day by some other person and it turns out it was all wrong - maybe the other person was lying, for example - you better be ready to get shot in the face.
"But 10 year olds are highly dependent upon the adults around them, for food and shelter..."
Do you think a kid "fully understands" pain? Do you think they know whether or not they like it?
Kids weren't "dependent" on Sandusky for anything. The government was feeding, clothing and providing section 8 housing for them. dependent
Do a search for John T. Neisworth, a world-renowned expert on childhood developmental disorders, specifically autism. He's retired from Penn State and has quite a history of being accused (both criminally and in civil court) of raping a boy over a 3-year period while employed at Penn State.
Professor charged with molestation (2005 article)
Did Penn State Ignore Other Sexual Abuse Claims? (Nov 15, 2011)
Arizona man says Penn State officials ignored his report of abuse by a former professor (Nov 15, 2011)
Paul McLaughlin, the alleged victim (now 45 yrs old), apparently has evidence that is quite compelling; at least it was to a DA in Maryland. McLaughlin, as an adult, was in therapy and decided to pursue his childhood abusers, so he tape-recorded phone calls to Neisworth and his two friends who allegedly participated in the abuse.
The statute of limitations had not expired in Maryland, so a Maryland DA brought criminal charges against Neisworth & his friends (they allegedly participated in the abuse that lasted 3 years).
Here's a link to one of Neisworth's cohorts who was also charged: Funnyman's Past Has Finally Caught Up To Him (has photos of all 3 men)
I don't know if Neisworth is guilty or not. However, it doesn't look very good for him if he's innocent. Besides paying McLaughlin a private lawsuit settlement, one of his earliest studies (his dissertation, i think) in the late 60's/early '70s involved congenitally-blind children and observing their "autoerotic" habits. That, plus he and one of the other men arrested (Smith) have collaborated on several studies involving young autistic kids. One of those studies had them hanging out at elementary schools to observe little boys "in the lavatory" to see if they threw away trash as they were instructed. (Donald Smith was working at Penn State also at the time, if i'm remembering correctly.)
Maybe it's all just a coincidence.
Do you have any children? Any boys, around 10 years old? Just wondering where you get the ideas that you are unveiling here. Just curious.
I’m not going to debate this with you because I don’t know much about child sexual abuse in general or these specific cases. Nothing in my own life has brought me into any knowledge beyond what I read in the occasional news article etc. However, I do know that it is ludicrous and offensive to assume every 10 yr old understands such a situation or what to do about it.... especially if they do not have a good home setting in which to report it.
“These kids weren’t forced to be with Sandusky, he worked for a charity for low lifes. They chose to hang out with him.
You really think these juvenille delinquents wouldn’t complain if they were being mistreated?”
That response wasn't worthy of a 10 yr. old.
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