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Hey, they still let us drive
The New York Post ^ | December 16, 2011 | Frank J. Fleming

Posted on 12/16/2011 11:28:37 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The National Transportation Safety Board wants a complete ban on cellphone use while driving, even on hands-free calls. Some will protest this as yet another government encroachment on freedom, but we should think twice before rocking the boat here.

After all, have you considered how lucky we are that the government lets us drive cars at all?

Imagine if cars hadn’t been around for a century, but instead were just invented today. Is there any way they’d be approved for individual use? It’s an era of bans on incandescent bulbs; if you suggested putting millions of internal-combustion engines out there, you’d get looks like you were Hitler proposing the Final Solution.

Even aside from pollution, the government wouldn’t allow the risks to safety.

“So you’re proposing that people speed around in tons of metal? You must mean only really smart, well-trained people?”

“No. Everyone. Even stupid people.”

“Won’t millions be killed?”

“Oh, no. Not that many. Just a little more than 40,000 a year.”

“And injuries?”

“Oh . . . millions.”

There’s no way that would get approved today.

Driving is basically a grandfathered freedom from back when people cared less about pollution and danger and valued progress and liberty over safety. They had different equations related to human life then: We could lose 10,000 men in a single battle in a war and call it a victory....

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Sadly true.
1 posted on 12/16/2011 11:28:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2d, I have to laugh to avoid being so furious my head explodes.

The Feral bureaucracy has to go.

They’re so stupid really, thinking they can stop or control anything. When governments do that, throughout history (oh, I guess they’d have to have honestly studied it to know), everything just goes underground. Everything.


2 posted on 12/16/2011 11:35:07 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey... ban smoking,city bus fumes, ban kitchen knives, gasoline and lawn mowers, swimming pools and diving from rocks.

Eff a nanny state.


3 posted on 12/16/2011 11:39:21 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Exactly.. They drive things underground
4 posted on 12/16/2011 11:43:56 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Read this and weep.

A surprising number of FReepers were on board for an FCC mandate controlling the volume of commercials. As I recall, you're a ham. The power of the FCC should be limited to the very narrow area of ensuring that harmful interference doesn't occur between operators. Period. Dictating content in any way is far beyond the scope of why the commission exists.

5 posted on 12/16/2011 11:54:13 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C.S. Lewis

“I just wish the government would stop trying to save my life. I don't want to live forever!” Jim from C-town

6 posted on 12/16/2011 11:55:39 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The long-term goal of the left is to outlaw the automobile and force people onto various mass-transit systems. Buses, subways, high-speed rail, etc., all of which can be used to control free movement.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 11:59:38 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: re_nortex

All one need do is build a simple limiting amp that cuts off the commercials should they hit a certain decibel.

BTW I was listening to WBCQ tonight on short wave and apparently there are like 750,000 HAM operators in the US today.

The numbers are on the rise, rather than the wane.

People want autonomy.


8 posted on 12/17/2011 12:00:34 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: re_nortex

The right thing is watch less TV or cancel.

If we had actual competition, we’d have other TV options where the volume was not increased.

Try reading the Executive Summary of the FCC budget.

JOKE. COMPLETE FARCE. The biggest reasons they were claiming for their existence (budget), i.e., things that they actually DO - ..... “modernize their technology”.

If the Executive summary sounds like my 9th grade paper where I just put in fluff - how fluffy are the details behind the summary ?

It’s really stealing from the taxpayer and laughing in the taxpayer’s face. Disgusting.


9 posted on 12/17/2011 12:01:34 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: PLMerite

You are correct, it’s all social engineering.


10 posted on 12/17/2011 12:02:55 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: re_nortex

You know what the monkey said that got his tail caught in the lawnmower?

“It won’t be long now”


11 posted on 12/17/2011 12:23:56 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is an excellent & somewhat horrifying thought experiment. Kudos!


12 posted on 12/17/2011 12:29:35 AM PST by Da Mav
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey, they still let us drive

They wouldn't if the automobile was invented now. All that personal freedom, all that individual responsibility - no way. What freedoms and control of our own lives that we still have are holdovers from the time before the American nanny state took root.
13 posted on 12/17/2011 12:41:28 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
They wouldn't if the automobile was invented now.

Just saw that the article already said the same thing - that'll teach me to reply before reading the article.
14 posted on 12/17/2011 12:44:29 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: PieterCasparzen
They’re so stupid really, thinking they can stop or control anything.

So you obviously like to talk on the cell phone or text while driving?
15 posted on 12/17/2011 1:39:01 AM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: JSteff

No, I don’t text ever, and I’m not on the phone much at all.

We should be held accountable for our own auto accidents, though, not pulled over and ticketed for talking on the phone, any more than we should be pulled over for singing while we listen to the radio, or get in an argument with a passenger.

Auto insurance removes the financial consequences of causing an accident, so many people just don’t care any more.

The law has always covered civil and criminal penalties for damages we cause.

Cell phone laws get into a new area: you haven’t swerved out of your lane, you have complete control of your car, but you have a cup of coffee in your hand, and we don’t think you can handle it, so we’re charging you with a crime.

If I’m drinking coffee or talking and I swerve out of my lane - THAT already is a crime, swerving out of my lane. Doesn’t matter why I did, I did.

Town governments love to hire more LE, though the taxpayers don’t like to pay the bill. So more traffic stops !


16 posted on 12/17/2011 3:26:32 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
"“I just wish the government would stop trying to save my life. I don't want to live forever!” Jim from C-town"

Hey, the government will decide when you die. They will have a program, an agency, and a staff to make such decisions.

17 posted on 12/17/2011 3:31:15 AM PST by Truth29
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I keep reading about this ban, and I have to wonder about the hands-free portion. My car has the hands-free built in. One push of a button, and the rest is voice activated. So how are they going to enforce this in this situation? I mean, I have no earpiece, so for all they know I could be singing to the radio or speaking to someone in the backseat. Am I going to get pulled over simply because I’m speaking at all? Besides, no one even bothers to enforce most of the traffic laws already in existence. I was at a light yesterday when a guy blew the red like a big dog, and there was a sheriff’s care on the other side, and he did nothing. So why even bother at this point with more arbitrary and ridiculous nanny state laws?


18 posted on 12/17/2011 3:37:14 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Maybe I am a conspiracy nutjob, maybe not.

I see the cell phone restrictions as another attempt to invade the privacy of citizens, by letting LE pull you over and get their eyes (and nose) inside your vehicle on the "suspicion" that you were using the device. In order to get the necessary proof of the offense, they will then have to download all information from your phone using one of those portable devices that were in the news recently and are already being used. EVERY automobile accident will result in the phones being downloaded, to determine whether either of the parties was illegally using their phone.

...And they will download EVERYTHING.

19 posted on 12/17/2011 3:44:15 AM PST by PalmettoMason ("The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.")
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To: mylife

“All one need do is build a simple limiting amp that cuts off the commercials should they hit a certain decibel.”

Limiters are the problem. The way they make the commercials louder is by pushing the tape or file harder into the limiter. TV makers today include compressors and limiters in their TV’s but they don;t really work as effectively as their audio industry counterparts. I have a cheap (250.00)limiter I run the TV audio through. I NAIL the input, as a way of overcoming the varying degrees that program producers do, then I set the output volume and forget it. It’s the only way the idea will work.


20 posted on 12/17/2011 4:14:36 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Right on! And what’s with these tyrannical drunk driving laws too? And despotic school zones? I mean, if some idiot is driving home from the bar at 7:00 in the morning and some kid’s trying to get across the street but walks in front of the drunk’s SUV and gets splattered all over the road, just prosecute the drunk for negligent homicide. Don’t restrict MY freedom just because most of my fellow citizens can’t handle theirs!

/sarc some wouldn’t even notice


21 posted on 12/17/2011 5:15:47 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: re_nortex
Another thread on the cell phone ban here where the FReeper Nanny-state Contingent are in full bloom.

Whatever happened to the notion of personal responsibility?

22 posted on 12/17/2011 5:29:18 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
Whatever happened to the notion of personal responsibility?

I wish I knew!

If you ever find it again - widespread among the American populace - I'll be happy to join you in opposing the cell-phone ban.

Until then, I have to take my stand against the personally-IRresponsible. Not because I want to save them from themselves, but because all I want is to get from point A to point B without getting killed.
23 posted on 12/17/2011 5:44:29 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dear NTSB - STFU and MYOB


24 posted on 12/17/2011 5:47:39 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: re_nortex

“A surprising number of FReepers were on board for an FCC mandate controlling the volume of commercials. As I recall, you’re a ham. The power of the FCC should be limited to the very narrow area of ensuring that harmful interference doesn’t occur between operators. Period. Dictating content in any way is far beyond the scope of why the commission exists.”

Cable around here is _effectively_ a monopoly. In return for having a monopoly (gas, electric, water, and so on) companies have for more than a century given up some of their freedoms. I might agree that this is not the FCC’s job, the local and state authorities should be empowered to do this, assuming that they haven’t been paid off, which is, of course, highly unlikely.

I find it infuriating to be blasted out of a chair at night by loud commercials. You may say “get rid of cable” but I don’t have any other choice for a similar product - and no, satellite, over the air, and the Internet are not “similar” here.


25 posted on 12/17/2011 6:00:28 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not a Federal issue or right. However, if a state wants to outlaw cell phone use and driving - heck yes!

Put away the damn phone and drive!


26 posted on 12/17/2011 6:00:41 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Soon to be a man without a country.)
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To: LearsFool

May your chains rest lightly...


27 posted on 12/17/2011 6:02:18 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: PalmettoMason

“Maybe I am a conspiracy nutjob, maybe not.”...

This is an interesting theory, but the problem is, that most of the information required isn’t on your phone anyway, it’s “safely” in databases at the provider’s facilities.


28 posted on 12/17/2011 6:03:52 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: USMCWife6869
Am I going to get pulled over simply because I’m speaking at all? Besides, no one even bothers to enforce most of the traffic laws already in existence.

My car has the same. Next, they will not allow us to speak to each other in the car, as well as holler at the kids in the backseat. The radios will go next, because Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity are a distraction. They haven't addressed women (or men) putting on make-up) or reading, eating, and everything else people have done behind the wheel the past dozen decades.

29 posted on 12/17/2011 6:04:18 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been thinking EXACTLY the same thing for years — if cars were invented today, there is NO WAY that our benevolent overseers would allow citizens to own and operate one. Never!

Aspirin would be prescription-only, public access to electricity would NEVER be allowed, aircraft would belong strictly to the military, and firearms ... HA!

This is the Nanny State in action, folks. It’s getting worse by the day and still we take no action.


30 posted on 12/17/2011 6:04:51 AM PST by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. - Robert Heinlein)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That idea has been abandoned as of yesterday. I read that they woke up and realized it would be unenforceable and would tick off too many people.


31 posted on 12/17/2011 6:06:12 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When driving with passengers, should it be illegal to talk with them? Will radios be banned from cars?


32 posted on 12/17/2011 6:06:52 AM PST by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If electricity had been discovered today it wouldn't be allowed in homes because it would be deemed too "dangerous"

Becasue after all, we as a people are just too damned stupid to figure out what is dangerous and what is not.

33 posted on 12/17/2011 6:18:03 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: LearsFool
I ... I ..!
...I'll ...
I ... Not because I want .. but because all I want is...

All about you.

34 posted on 12/17/2011 6:21:06 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wish the government would do something about the di-hydrogen monoxide pollution. Where I am you can see it all the time.


35 posted on 12/17/2011 6:23:45 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Abandoned eh? Good because I wasn’t going to do it anyway. I was planning on talking on my phone while driving just like I always do.


36 posted on 12/17/2011 6:28:42 AM PST by Ditter
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To: central_va

Seattle is often deluged by it.


37 posted on 12/17/2011 6:54:13 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Ditter

Yes me too. LOL!!!


38 posted on 12/17/2011 7:52:30 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: The Antiyuppie
This is an interesting theory, but the problem is, that most of the information required isn’t on your phone anyway, it’s “safely” in databases at the provider’s facilities.

They can still get your contacts list, call history, and browsing history (from your smartphone) right from the device, according to the articles I read a while back.

39 posted on 12/17/2011 8:41:33 AM PST by PalmettoMason ("The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anybody seen talking in a car alone could be pulled over. Can’t ask ON*Star about locations. Imagine paying $100,000 for a car and not being able to use the built in phone.

Why do I think this law won’t apply to government folks or celebrities?


40 posted on 12/17/2011 9:00:36 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: rockrr

I can’t figure out why the R L Lee thread was pulled.


41 posted on 12/17/2011 9:43:35 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
All that personal freedom, all that individual responsibility - no way. What freedoms and control of our own lives that we still have are holdovers from the time before the American nanny state took root.

AnotherUnixGeek: From yet another one in the world of such geekdom (Solaris, FreeBSD and Linux), even my choice of an operating system is a lesson in personal responsibility. The lack of "Are you sure?" prompting for actions at the command line is part of the appeal of working with complete freedom and all that implies.

rm *

It really does what I tell it to do without the need for an intrusive nanny cautioning me. Yes, I've had my share of "Oops" moments but I have learned from them...err, most of the time. :-)

42 posted on 12/17/2011 10:59:18 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex
rm *

It really does what I tell it to do without the need for an intrusive nanny cautioning me.


Yeah, I remember learning the power of rm -r during my first internship, shortly followed by the wonders of tar -xvf as I worked desperately to restore the lost directories from backup before my manager got back from lunch =).
43 posted on 12/17/2011 11:13:32 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: rockrr
May your chains rest lightly...

When Sam Adams said that, Americans were capable of governing themselves and, collectively, their communities. If it hasn't yet dawned on you that that's no longer the case, you should look around more. (Or just read Free Republic - there are plenty of folks on here who would pervert liberty into license every chance they get.)

Since you like quotes, here's one for you:

He who will not rule himself will be ruled by another.
44 posted on 12/17/2011 1:38:22 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Jaidyn
Next, they will not allow us to speak to each other in the car

Statistically, conversing with an adult passenger reduces the chance of accident by 30%. Conversing on a cell-phone, by contrast, quadruples your chance of accident.

And how about this eye-opener:

Epidemiological evidence suggests that the relative risk of being in a traffic accident while using a cell phone is similar to the hazard associated with driving with a blood alcohol level at the legal limit.
45 posted on 12/17/2011 1:55:31 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think this is mistake. Prior stories indicated “hands-free” devices were not part of the proposed ban.


46 posted on 12/17/2011 2:34:27 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama, Reid and Pelosi.)
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To: newzjunkey

>> I think this is mistake. Prior stories indicated “hands-free” devices were not part of the proposed ban. <<

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You are mistaken.

The “hands free” devices have been shown to be more distracting than the hand held ones when driving. Its not the physical activity of holding a phone, but the mental distraction that is the problem.


47 posted on 12/17/2011 2:49:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: mylife

You forgot the “chimney Police.”


48 posted on 12/17/2011 2:52:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: LearsFool

Yea, I do like quotes.

Here’s one back at ya...

“They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Benjamin Franklin, 1759


49 posted on 12/17/2011 7:29:53 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I have done Unix sysdamin for many, many years and one thing I did when I needed to do the “rm” command is I would do a “ls” on the path to see what I going to irrevocably remove before dong and “rm” command. Thanks to “bash” shell, I could go back to the “ls” command and then backspace and replace “ls” with “rm”.

The parent thread mentioned about operating systems, I have used many different one’s over the years. I want to add in OpenBSD, NetBSD, Windows/DOS and Mac OS X which also uses a BSD baseline kernel.

> Yeah, I remember learning the power of rm -r


50 posted on 12/17/2011 9:01:54 PM PST by CORedneck
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