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Greens call out Keystone XL deal (Obama has 2 choices, jobs or Environmental Whackos)
Politico ^ | 12/17/2011 | By DARREN SAMUELSOHN

Posted on 12/17/2011 5:03:37 AM PST by tobyhill

Senate Democrats accepted a provision Friday forcing a decision in two months on the Keystone XL oil pipeline as part of the must-pass payroll tax cut package, leaving the White House on the brink of a meltdown with environmental groups.

"It's bulls—-," said Sierra Club President Michael Brune. "This is no way to run a government. We've got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry."

GOP and Democratic sources told POLITICO that the White House swallowed the House Republican-written pipeline rider in order to get a deal to extend the tax holiday, jobless benefits and the Medicare reimbursement rate into February.

For greens, the fact that the Keystone pipeline was back on the table five weeks after Obama had seemingly punted it until 2013 is causing considerable heartburn with an administration that hasn't been as green as they once wished.

Their initial win looked even better because it came just days after thousands circled the White House at a weekend protest that drew celebrity faces like actor Mark Ruffalo. But now Obama's environmental allies again face the question of whether to withhold support for his reelection campaign.

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1 posted on 12/17/2011 5:03:42 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Until an iron clad order is issued authorizing the go ahead on the pipeline and declaring there will be no future efforts to stop it, nothing has happened.

So long as there is a Sierra Club, a World Wild life fund America is in trouble.


2 posted on 12/17/2011 5:08:14 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: tobyhill

Obama will weasel out of this trap. He will continue to delay. It is not in his nature to actually make a decision.


3 posted on 12/17/2011 5:10:36 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: tobyhill

“...We’ve got Republicans in Congress who are
willing to hold the entire government hostage...”
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Congress is not some abstract agency or entity.
It is “we, the people”.


4 posted on 12/17/2011 5:16:48 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: bert
From what I'm hearing in the bill is that if Obama refuses to make a decision within 60 days it will be deemed passed based on his signature on the 60 day extension.

Obama may try to delay using the courts but the GOP can use the delay to tell Americans that Obama doesn't want jobs and then it would get done as soon as the GOP takes over.

5 posted on 12/17/2011 5:17:45 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: tobyhill
But now Obama's environmental allies again face the question of whether to withhold support for his reelection campaign.

Oooh, ooh, ooh! Let me make the decision for them!

6 posted on 12/17/2011 5:17:52 AM PST by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: Barak; obama
"It's bulls—-," said Sierra Club President Michael Brune.

Ska-rew those communists!

We've got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry."

No MORON, it's simply restoring some of the birthright back to the American people.

You and your ilk should be treated as subversive organizations and taken out on racketeering charges or massive class action lawsuits.

7 posted on 12/17/2011 5:20:52 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: tobyhill
The Greenies are going to “Carpet Bomb” the State of Pennsylvania with law suits and court challenges so I doubt if it will ever get built.
8 posted on 12/17/2011 5:26:14 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: tobyhill

So, this says everything gets a two-month extension - pipleine decision, unemployment compensation, payroll tac holiday, and medicare reimbursement - at which time another vote is forced? (I refuse to say “kick the can down the road” because Obama and Boehner use the stupid expression all the time).

How long are we going to govern like this? just until the next Congress takes office with a new Senate majority in 2013? If that happens, but the Democrats retain the executive, we are in the same situation of a threat of government shutdown, because we won’t have enough votes to override a presidential veto.


9 posted on 12/17/2011 5:26:36 AM PST by ngat
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To: tobyhill

The provision is a nice little kick to the shins for Great Leader.


10 posted on 12/17/2011 5:34:57 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: bert

This link is to a map of existing crude oil pipelines in the US.

http://www.pipeline101.com/Overview/crude-pl.html

The link below shows a map of all the pipelines in the US. It resemebles the veins and arteries at the back of your eye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USgas.jpg

The point is that one more pipeline will do no more harm than the several thousand already here. But it will produce thousands of jobs and help lower gas prices.


11 posted on 12/17/2011 5:35:41 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Apparently you are not a party to the latest information.

Our president, in addition to being credentialed as Harvard Law Review, is a genius 4PL logistician. He will decide on all matters of the movement of goods and services for the American people.


12 posted on 12/17/2011 5:37:49 AM PST by ngat
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To: tobyhill
Can somebody please tell me what exactly these greenies think is going to happen when one more pipeline is laid that hasn't happened with the thousands we already have all across this fruited plain?

Because I remember the fight over the Alaska pipeline to Prudoe Bay and the greenies said all kinds of terrible things would happen but not one in the past 30 years have occurred. In fact we hear now that the caribou herds have grown and use the pipeline as a winter windbreak of sorts.

Seriously, what is their bitch except to hold up progress and jobs?

13 posted on 12/17/2011 5:45:26 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: ngat
Our president, in addition to being credentialed as Harvard Law Review, is a genius

I've heard that, but no one seems to be able to prove it.

14 posted on 12/17/2011 5:46:07 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: tobyhill
Obama has put himself in a box from which he can't escape unharmed. To veto the pipeline angers 85% of the country--everyone but the greenies--but including even the unions. He'll be emasculated by republicans for the entire campaign.

God knows we need this badly, but if he kills it at least we'd have a campaign issue that ends his presidency.

15 posted on 12/17/2011 5:47:50 AM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Congress, as it turns out, IS the government.

So, who do these Environmentalists think they are?

16 posted on 12/17/2011 5:48:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: tobyhill

I don’t recall seeing any discussion relative to this question: Why not build refineries near the supply source, rather than a new major pipeline to carry crude clear across the country?
It seems to some that the notion of building refineries in the northern tier would be a better option from a couple of perspectives.
First, strategic defense. Why keep the national refinery capacity bottled up on the southern coastal areas when establishing a new refinery ‘region’ would better secure the nation’s overall refining capacity?
Second, quash the greenies’ whining. If there is no pipeline, they can move on to the next whining issue on their list.
Third,establishing NEW refineries would take advantage of the latest technical innovations in the industry without having to accommodate a retro-fit into an existing refinery structure.


17 posted on 12/17/2011 5:49:17 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I don't believe this nimrod and his family are living the cave dwelling subsistence his policies would force on everyone else. Plenty of creature comforts and "industry" in his life, I'll wager.

MGD works with a consultant who teaches part time at a prestigious engineering college, who said he overheard some dweeby kid bemoaning that greed is the "oil that lubricates capitalism".

I told him that had I heard that nonsense, I would have marched straight over to this loser and demanded he fork over his phone, Ipod ,laptop, and the keys to his car and then we could talk about greedy capitalists.

18 posted on 12/17/2011 5:54:45 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (If economists are such experts, why is everything always so unexpected???)
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To: ngat

“”GOP and Democratic sources told POLITICO that the White House swallowed the House Republican-written pipeline rider in order to get a deal to extend the tax holiday, jobless benefits and the Medicare reimbursement rate into February.””

I agree that how you interpreted the above seems sound, but I think the above statement is just poorly written. None of it makes sense.

I don’t think the extension applies to the subject of the legislation as why would the payroll tax and unemployment extension be for only two months?

On the other hand, I don’t think Congress has to approve the pipeline, do they? From everything I’ve heard, it’s up to the Secretary of State to approve the project.

So in two months, what happens? More finagling on unemployment and payroll tax extension or a vote (?) on the pipeline?

I hardly know my own name anymore with all the shenanigans coming out of DC. We can count on only one thing - it’s never going to be on the up and up!! Never for what’s good for the country - no matter who is in charge...


19 posted on 12/17/2011 6:06:36 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Gen.Blather

-——The point is-——

I would argue the point is much different. The point is all those spidery pipelines must be curtailed. The point is to decrease or eliminate all the pipelines to eliminate the flow of oil. The point is renewable energy must prevail over oil.

The point is that the addition of one more large crude oil pipeline adds to the problem and exacerbates the energy related pollution rather than reduce it.

Of course, that is not my point. That is the point of the envirowackos at the Sierra club who are bent on destroying America as it exists and transforming it to some utopian pristineness of some prior eon.

My point is that we must go on offense and destroy or cripple the Sierra club and prevent their meddling in the very life of the country. That will not happen because we lack the will


20 posted on 12/17/2011 6:11:03 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Gen.Blather

bookmark


21 posted on 12/17/2011 6:14:09 AM PST by nralife (www.fireholder.com)
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To: tobyhill

“”We’ve got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry.”””

As opposed to giving a Christmas present to environmentalists, I guess!


22 posted on 12/17/2011 6:18:33 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: tobyhill

he wants money from both sides so nothing will happen.


23 posted on 12/17/2011 6:19:09 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: PubliusMM

“I don’t recall seeing any discussion relative to this question: Why not build refineries near the supply source...”

I think most everyone would agree with you. However, it would literally take years and years to get the permitting and then build the thing(s). It would be reminesent of the old nuclear power plant construction days back in the 70s/80s. The enviro commies would literally throw a tizzy of unprecenented proportions, block every permit application, lawsuit after lawsuit, etc. etc. Then, you’d have the NIMBYs to deal with which is another whole set of morons. A pipeline would be relatively easier and quicker to do. We need to commit to move that product now or it’s going to go somewhere else; and that gulf area is where most of the existing refining capacity is at. Actually, we should do both: the pipeline as a tactical move and also push for new state-of-the art refining capacity as you have alluded to as part of a long-term domestic energy strategy plan.


24 posted on 12/17/2011 6:25:16 AM PST by lgjhn23
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To: Thank You Rush

“I hardly know my own name anymore with all the shenanigans coming out of DC. We can count on only one thing - it’s never going to be on the up and up!! Never for what’s good for the country - no matter who is in charge...”

You have perfectly described how any stable person that believes continuation of this successful country is a common good, and that stability is at least partially dependent on budgeting rationally for the future, feels.

Ever since the election of Obama and the last two Congresses, we have abandoned this concept of providing for the future through budgeting, and are behaving, as a country, like some self-destructive spendthrift. What is even more astounding to me, is that the press is going along with it by withholding information and printing confusing stories like the one we are trying to figure out the meaning of!

All I can figure out is that we have a majority of people in this country now who do not believe there will ever be a financial come-uppance, and just don’t care what happens if there is.


25 posted on 12/17/2011 6:34:30 AM PST by ngat
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To: bert

“My point is that we must go on offense and destroy or cripple the Sierra club and prevent their meddling in the very life of the country.”

I agree with you. I have several well-meaning relatives who belong to the Sierra Club, Save the Whales, Help Baby Seals, the list goes on. The propaganda for these groups is soul-touching. It’s beautiful. And for just cents per day you can feel good about yourself. These aren’t dumb people. They have no idea what the real agenda is. If they did they’d probably support it at some level. After all, who isn’t for clean air? But their type of critical reasoning can be summed up in the bumper sticker I saw on the back of a Subaru. “You can’t have peace if you’re preparing for war.”

There is no way to cripple the Sierra club as it would look like you were attacking cuddly pandas. The only answer is education and teaching critical reasoning. But we’ve lost the school systems and not enough parents know what reasoning is, let alone critical reasoning.


26 posted on 12/17/2011 6:35:18 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: ngat

I keep reading that article over and over and have decided that the DECISION on the pipeline by the “jerk in charge” is to take place in 2 months! He gets the extension of payroll taxes/unemployment now with the provision he make a decision in that time.

Right or wrong? It’s up to him and not Congress??


27 posted on 12/17/2011 6:36:53 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: ngat

“..Our president, in addition to being credentialed as Harvard Law Review, is a genius 4PL logistician....”

I just spewed root beer all over my screen on that one!! Whew! Some folks would argue that lil’ Barry can’t even figure out which end of “the pipe he likes to smoke”. :) I’ll leave them nameless.


28 posted on 12/17/2011 6:37:02 AM PST by lgjhn23
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To: Alas Babylon!

You mean the extinction of the Caribou that hang out and breed around that warm pipeline to the point of overpopulation? We need to begin lawsuits against these commies.

Pray for America


29 posted on 12/17/2011 6:40:49 AM PST by bray (Hope and Change to Hate and Anger)
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To: tobyhill
after thousands circled the White House at a weekend protest that drew celebrity faces like actor Mark Ruffalo.P>Mark who?
30 posted on 12/17/2011 6:46:04 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: Thank You Rush

I just can’t tell. I think it means payroll taxes/unemployment/medicare reimbursement also come up for another vote in February.

Remember the 2010 lame-duck session extensions, last spring’s vote, last summer’s vote - all just temporary extensions of everything made under the threat of government shutdown made by Reid and Obama? I think this is just another 2 month extension of all of it.

I don’t think a yearly budget has been agreed to since 2008.


31 posted on 12/17/2011 6:46:29 AM PST by ngat
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To: Falcon4.0

Pennsylvania? huh?


32 posted on 12/17/2011 6:50:20 AM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Thank You Rush
By Obama signing this extension is him signing into law that he will make a decision in 60 days or less and then there is consequences for him not making the decision like it automatically becomes law.

No one is taking away his Executive rights because he actually has the option not to sign the extension.

33 posted on 12/17/2011 6:50:34 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: PubliusMM
Crude source and refining would be a good match. However once the refined product is ready for market it has to be transported. Thus from the middle of Canada back into the lower 48 still means pipelines as the most efficient means, I suspect. Bring the crude to the existing refineries and finished product outlets is probably the most sensible and economic option.

The objection used at this point is the crossing of the Ollagala Aquifer which occurs mostly in Nebraska as I see the maps. To me it could be routed farther east like the existing Keystone Pipeline and bypass the Ollagala but would cost more for sure.

The following link is to a map showing the proposed routing of the new line.

Click for map

34 posted on 12/17/2011 6:53:16 AM PST by deport
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To: tobyhill

“Senate Democrats accepted a provision Friday forcing a decision in two months on the Keystone XL oil pipeline...”

Why 2 months?


35 posted on 12/17/2011 6:59:07 AM PST by duckman (Herman 2012 was Zero's worst night mare.)
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To: tobyhill

Why the R’s didn’t just put the pipleline in a clean bill and keep passing it over and over I’ll never know.

No excuses, no politics.

That could be used in EVERY R Congressional campaign - the D’s did not want the pipeline.

With the price of gasoline ??!!! That would hit a home run. Simple, clear, undeniable; the D’s do no want the pipeline.

I bet on the 3rd or 4th try they’d pass it and dufus would sign it.


36 posted on 12/17/2011 7:07:24 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: tobyhill; All

The article claims the State Dept can’t finish the environmental reports in the allotted 60 days.

Hmmm...

Seems to me I read the environmental stuff was all finished and the only holdup was nobama’s final okay, which he refused to give.

Can anybody verify this?


37 posted on 12/17/2011 7:07:27 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: lgjhn23

BP has been on this for some time.

Whiting Refinery’s project start-up delayed until 2013

http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/article_c98c0121-0056-5c14-a8ac-4a5d97917da0.html


38 posted on 12/17/2011 7:13:52 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Gen.Blather

-——I saw on the back of a Subaru. ——

On that subject, the current Subaru commercial says a percentage of your purchase price will be doated to one of 5 charities. The charities aren’t mentioned by name, but their logo stickers are plastered on the subaru tail gate...... just like in the reality on the street

There is a way to cripple the enviro wackos. The way has not yet been developed. If they can develop a scheme to destroy America, a way can certainly be schemed to counter attack and destroy.

That is, Give War a Chance


39 posted on 12/17/2011 7:29:00 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: tobyhill
GREENS are the old REDS and continually prove it by trying to stifle our economy.
40 posted on 12/17/2011 7:29:15 AM PST by JayAr36
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To: ngat

This is an issue tailor-made for President Rick Perry.


41 posted on 12/17/2011 7:33:43 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

This is an issue tailor-made for GOVERNOR Rick Perry.


42 posted on 12/17/2011 7:48:16 AM PST by ngat
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To: Thank You Rush
From another article-A senior administration official noted that though the president has said he would reject any attempt to "mandate" construction of the pipeline before it receives further review, the Keystone provision Senate leaders have agreed to speeds up the approval process -- giving the administration 60 days to make a decision -- but does not mandate construction.


43 posted on 12/17/2011 7:55:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: lgjhn23

Excellent points. Thanks for the response. I would tend to agree that doing both is probably the best long-term real solution.
I rather imagine ANY solution will rile up the enviro-whackos and other assorted tree huggers and PETA freaks. So, that’s just a ‘given’...

Good to keep options open.


44 posted on 12/17/2011 8:11:40 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

***Because I remember the fight over the Alaska pipeline to Prudoe Bay and the greenies said all kinds of terrible things would happen...***

I remember those days! My kin said the Alaska pipeline would NEVER be built.

I said that when the next Arab oil embargo hits it WILL be built.

Five years later the pipeline was in service.


45 posted on 12/17/2011 8:13:19 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: tobyhill
... if Obama refuses to make a decision within 60 days...?

That's always been obama's big weakness, he can't make a decision. The more important a decision the more undecided he is. It's why his record in the IL state senate and the US senate is full of "present" votes. It's why our RQ-170 drone wasn't destroyed. It's why he has taken no stand on anything except for the things he believed in as a community agitator. It's why he has to go.

46 posted on 12/17/2011 8:14:24 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: tobyhill

Enviros a small leftist cult comprised of nearly 100% white doofuses who cannot contemplate that the Left is mostly comprised of grifters and those who are on the left half of the Bell Curve and hence could care less about Bambi.


47 posted on 12/17/2011 8:14:41 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: tobyhill
whether to withhold support for his reelection campaign

Who are they gonna vote for, Ron Paul?

Mike

48 posted on 12/17/2011 8:21:26 AM PST by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: ngat
Our president, in addition to being credentialed as Harvard Law Review, is a genius 4PL logistician.

Doubtful.

He lacks the saltiness and toughness of pipeliners and pipeline schedulers.

You kinda see the same characteristics in roustabouts.

Moochelle might have them, but not Braack.

49 posted on 12/17/2011 8:47:47 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks tobyhill.
said Sierra Club President Michael Brune. "This is no way to run a government. We've got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry."
This should be the caption over a picture of this joker, along with identifying information, in every union hall in the US.


50 posted on 12/17/2011 9:01:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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