Skip to comments.Greens call out Keystone XL deal (Obama has 2 choices, jobs or Environmental Whackos)
Posted on 12/17/2011 5:03:37 AM PST by tobyhill
Senate Democrats accepted a provision Friday forcing a decision in two months on the Keystone XL oil pipeline as part of the must-pass payroll tax cut package, leaving the White House on the brink of a meltdown with environmental groups.
"It's bulls-," said Sierra Club President Michael Brune. "This is no way to run a government. We've got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry."
GOP and Democratic sources told POLITICO that the White House swallowed the House Republican-written pipeline rider in order to get a deal to extend the tax holiday, jobless benefits and the Medicare reimbursement rate into February.
For greens, the fact that the Keystone pipeline was back on the table five weeks after Obama had seemingly punted it until 2013 is causing considerable heartburn with an administration that hasn't been as green as they once wished.
Their initial win looked even better because it came just days after thousands circled the White House at a weekend protest that drew celebrity faces like actor Mark Ruffalo. But now Obama's environmental allies again face the question of whether to withhold support for his reelection campaign.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
Until an iron clad order is issued authorizing the go ahead on the pipeline and declaring there will be no future efforts to stop it, nothing has happened.
So long as there is a Sierra Club, a World Wild life fund America is in trouble.
Obama will weasel out of this trap. He will continue to delay. It is not in his nature to actually make a decision.
“...We’ve got Republicans in Congress who are
willing to hold the entire government hostage...”
Congress is not some abstract agency or entity.
It is “we, the people”.
Obama may try to delay using the courts but the GOP can use the delay to tell Americans that Obama doesn't want jobs and then it would get done as soon as the GOP takes over.
Oooh, ooh, ooh! Let me make the decision for them!
Ska-rew those communists!
We've got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry."
No MORON, it's simply restoring some of the birthright back to the American people.
You and your ilk should be treated as subversive organizations and taken out on racketeering charges or massive class action lawsuits.
So, this says everything gets a two-month extension - pipleine decision, unemployment compensation, payroll tac holiday, and medicare reimbursement - at which time another vote is forced? (I refuse to say “kick the can down the road” because Obama and Boehner use the stupid expression all the time).
How long are we going to govern like this? just until the next Congress takes office with a new Senate majority in 2013? If that happens, but the Democrats retain the executive, we are in the same situation of a threat of government shutdown, because we won’t have enough votes to override a presidential veto.
The provision is a nice little kick to the shins for Great Leader.
This link is to a map of existing crude oil pipelines in the US.
The link below shows a map of all the pipelines in the US. It resemebles the veins and arteries at the back of your eye.
The point is that one more pipeline will do no more harm than the several thousand already here. But it will produce thousands of jobs and help lower gas prices.
Apparently you are not a party to the latest information.
Our president, in addition to being credentialed as Harvard Law Review, is a genius 4PL logistician. He will decide on all matters of the movement of goods and services for the American people.
Because I remember the fight over the Alaska pipeline to Prudoe Bay and the greenies said all kinds of terrible things would happen but not one in the past 30 years have occurred. In fact we hear now that the caribou herds have grown and use the pipeline as a winter windbreak of sorts.
Seriously, what is their bitch except to hold up progress and jobs?
I've heard that, but no one seems to be able to prove it.
God knows we need this badly, but if he kills it at least we'd have a campaign issue that ends his presidency.
So, who do these Environmentalists think they are?
I don’t recall seeing any discussion relative to this question: Why not build refineries near the supply source, rather than a new major pipeline to carry crude clear across the country?
It seems to some that the notion of building refineries in the northern tier would be a better option from a couple of perspectives.
First, strategic defense. Why keep the national refinery capacity bottled up on the southern coastal areas when establishing a new refinery ‘region’ would better secure the nation’s overall refining capacity?
Second, quash the greenies’ whining. If there is no pipeline, they can move on to the next whining issue on their list.
Third,establishing NEW refineries would take advantage of the latest technical innovations in the industry without having to accommodate a retro-fit into an existing refinery structure.
I don't believe this nimrod and his family are living the cave dwelling subsistence his policies would force on everyone else. Plenty of creature comforts and "industry" in his life, I'll wager.
MGD works with a consultant who teaches part time at a prestigious engineering college, who said he overheard some dweeby kid bemoaning that greed is the "oil that lubricates capitalism".
I told him that had I heard that nonsense, I would have marched straight over to this loser and demanded he fork over his phone, Ipod ,laptop, and the keys to his car and then we could talk about greedy capitalists.
“”GOP and Democratic sources told POLITICO that the White House swallowed the House Republican-written pipeline rider in order to get a deal to extend the tax holiday, jobless benefits and the Medicare reimbursement rate into February.””
I agree that how you interpreted the above seems sound, but I think the above statement is just poorly written. None of it makes sense.
I don’t think the extension applies to the subject of the legislation as why would the payroll tax and unemployment extension be for only two months?
On the other hand, I don’t think Congress has to approve the pipeline, do they? From everything I’ve heard, it’s up to the Secretary of State to approve the project.
So in two months, what happens? More finagling on unemployment and payroll tax extension or a vote (?) on the pipeline?
I hardly know my own name anymore with all the shenanigans coming out of DC. We can count on only one thing - it’s never going to be on the up and up!! Never for what’s good for the country - no matter who is in charge...
-——The point is-——
I would argue the point is much different. The point is all those spidery pipelines must be curtailed. The point is to decrease or eliminate all the pipelines to eliminate the flow of oil. The point is renewable energy must prevail over oil.
The point is that the addition of one more large crude oil pipeline adds to the problem and exacerbates the energy related pollution rather than reduce it.
Of course, that is not my point. That is the point of the envirowackos at the Sierra club who are bent on destroying America as it exists and transforming it to some utopian pristineness of some prior eon.
My point is that we must go on offense and destroy or cripple the Sierra club and prevent their meddling in the very life of the country. That will not happen because we lack the will
“”We’ve got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry.”””
As opposed to giving a Christmas present to environmentalists, I guess!
he wants money from both sides so nothing will happen.
“I dont recall seeing any discussion relative to this question: Why not build refineries near the supply source...”
I think most everyone would agree with you. However, it would literally take years and years to get the permitting and then build the thing(s). It would be reminesent of the old nuclear power plant construction days back in the 70s/80s. The enviro commies would literally throw a tizzy of unprecenented proportions, block every permit application, lawsuit after lawsuit, etc. etc. Then, you’d have the NIMBYs to deal with which is another whole set of morons. A pipeline would be relatively easier and quicker to do. We need to commit to move that product now or it’s going to go somewhere else; and that gulf area is where most of the existing refining capacity is at. Actually, we should do both: the pipeline as a tactical move and also push for new state-of-the art refining capacity as you have alluded to as part of a long-term domestic energy strategy plan.
“I hardly know my own name anymore with all the shenanigans coming out of DC. We can count on only one thing - its never going to be on the up and up!! Never for whats good for the country - no matter who is in charge...”
You have perfectly described how any stable person that believes continuation of this successful country is a common good, and that stability is at least partially dependent on budgeting rationally for the future, feels.
Ever since the election of Obama and the last two Congresses, we have abandoned this concept of providing for the future through budgeting, and are behaving, as a country, like some self-destructive spendthrift. What is even more astounding to me, is that the press is going along with it by withholding information and printing confusing stories like the one we are trying to figure out the meaning of!
All I can figure out is that we have a majority of people in this country now who do not believe there will ever be a financial come-uppance, and just don’t care what happens if there is.
My point is that we must go on offense and destroy or cripple the Sierra club and prevent their meddling in the very life of the country.
I agree with you. I have several well-meaning relatives who belong to the Sierra Club, Save the Whales, Help Baby Seals, the list goes on. The propaganda for these groups is soul-touching. Its beautiful. And for just cents per day you can feel good about yourself. These arent dumb people. They have no idea what the real agenda is. If they did theyd probably support it at some level. After all, who isnt for clean air? But their type of critical reasoning can be summed up in the bumper sticker I saw on the back of a Subaru. You cant have peace if youre preparing for war.
There is no way to cripple the Sierra club as it would look like you were attacking cuddly pandas. The only answer is education and teaching critical reasoning. But weve lost the school systems and not enough parents know what reasoning is, let alone critical reasoning.
I keep reading that article over and over and have decided that the DECISION on the pipeline by the “jerk in charge” is to take place in 2 months! He gets the extension of payroll taxes/unemployment now with the provision he make a decision in that time.
Right or wrong? It’s up to him and not Congress??
“..Our president, in addition to being credentialed as Harvard Law Review, is a genius 4PL logistician....”
I just spewed root beer all over my screen on that one!! Whew! Some folks would argue that lil’ Barry can’t even figure out which end of “the pipe he likes to smoke”. :) I’ll leave them nameless.
You mean the extinction of the Caribou that hang out and breed around that warm pipeline to the point of overpopulation? We need to begin lawsuits against these commies.
Pray for America
I just can’t tell. I think it means payroll taxes/unemployment/medicare reimbursement also come up for another vote in February.
Remember the 2010 lame-duck session extensions, last spring’s vote, last summer’s vote - all just temporary extensions of everything made under the threat of government shutdown made by Reid and Obama? I think this is just another 2 month extension of all of it.
I don’t think a yearly budget has been agreed to since 2008.
No one is taking away his Executive rights because he actually has the option not to sign the extension.
The objection used at this point is the crossing of the Ollagala Aquifer which occurs mostly in Nebraska as I see the maps. To me it could be routed farther east like the existing Keystone Pipeline and bypass the Ollagala but would cost more for sure.
The following link is to a map showing the proposed routing of the new line.
“Senate Democrats accepted a provision Friday forcing a decision in two months on the Keystone XL oil pipeline...”
Why 2 months?
Why the R’s didn’t just put the pipleline in a clean bill and keep passing it over and over I’ll never know.
No excuses, no politics.
That could be used in EVERY R Congressional campaign - the D’s did not want the pipeline.
With the price of gasoline ??!!! That would hit a home run. Simple, clear, undeniable; the D’s do no want the pipeline.
I bet on the 3rd or 4th try they’d pass it and dufus would sign it.
The article claims the State Dept can’t finish the environmental reports in the allotted 60 days.
Seems to me I read the environmental stuff was all finished and the only holdup was nobama’s final okay, which he refused to give.
Can anybody verify this?
BP has been on this for some time.
Whiting Refinery’s project start-up delayed until 2013
-——I saw on the back of a Subaru. ——
On that subject, the current Subaru commercial says a percentage of your purchase price will be doated to one of 5 charities. The charities aren’t mentioned by name, but their logo stickers are plastered on the subaru tail gate...... just like in the reality on the street
There is a way to cripple the enviro wackos. The way has not yet been developed. If they can develop a scheme to destroy America, a way can certainly be schemed to counter attack and destroy.
That is, Give War a Chance
This is an issue tailor-made for President Rick Perry.
This is an issue tailor-made for GOVERNOR Rick Perry.
Excellent points. Thanks for the response. I would tend to agree that doing both is probably the best long-term real solution.
I rather imagine ANY solution will rile up the enviro-whackos and other assorted tree huggers and PETA freaks. So, that’s just a ‘given’...
Good to keep options open.
***Because I remember the fight over the Alaska pipeline to Prudoe Bay and the greenies said all kinds of terrible things would happen...***
I remember those days! My kin said the Alaska pipeline would NEVER be built.
I said that when the next Arab oil embargo hits it WILL be built.
Five years later the pipeline was in service.
That's always been obama's big weakness, he can't make a decision. The more important a decision the more undecided he is. It's why his record in the IL state senate and the US senate is full of "present" votes. It's why our RQ-170 drone wasn't destroyed. It's why he has taken no stand on anything except for the things he believed in as a community agitator. It's why he has to go.
Enviros a small leftist cult comprised of nearly 100% white doofuses who cannot contemplate that the Left is mostly comprised of grifters and those who are on the left half of the Bell Curve and hence could care less about Bambi.
Who are they gonna vote for, Ron Paul?
He lacks the saltiness and toughness of pipeliners and pipeline schedulers.
You kinda see the same characteristics in roustabouts.
Moochelle might have them, but not Braack.
said Sierra Club President Michael Brune. "This is no way to run a government. We've got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry."This should be the caption over a picture of this joker, along with identifying information, in every union hall in the US.