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Is Liberalism a Religion? (It is to the Left)
Townhall.com ^ | December 17, 2011 | John C. Goodman

Posted on 12/17/2011 5:45:03 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: VRW Conspirator
And that is the dirty little secret. They can not "prove" their postion that God does not exist no more than I, as a Christian, can "prove" that he does. Thus, both positions share one thing: it takes a leap of faith to get there.

This truth was pointed out to me by a true friend. From there I moved from Atheism to Agnosticism. From Agnosticism I came back to Christianity. All men need to be saved. All have sinned, and all need forgiveness.

41 posted on 12/17/2011 1:37:31 PM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
I came back to Christianity

Hallelujah! While there is no "proof" of the Christian God, there is ample circumstancial evidence. I pointed this out to my agnostic brother. The Christian model of our world and existence fits like a glove. The idea that we are born into a world flawed by our sin makes more and more sense as I grow in my faith. I told him that mnakind will never get it together. Left to our own, we will screw it up, no matter what system of government, no mater what plan for a perfect society, whatever.

42 posted on 12/17/2011 2:08:04 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Neo-communist equals Neo-fascist)
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To: wgflyer
"liberals are emotionally invested such that logic and common sense do not penetrate. Their emotion epitomize the term blind faith. In leftism, unquestioning faith is required or it falls apart."

So true. My experience with a great many liberals bears this out. They cannot in any way bring themselves to disagree with or dare even criticize democrats or the democrat party. Absolute blind adherence and devotion that I find unsettling.

As a conservative, I can criticize policies of republican's and have done so, both extreme rightwing and moderate. However, some liberals I know cannot do this and will try themselves up in knots trying to justify the absurd and dangerous.

43 posted on 12/17/2011 5:23:22 PM PST by vlad335
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Dennis Prager once said to the effect ‘If you don’t believe in God do you believe in nothing? People have to believe in something. Most people can’t live their lives in a spiritual void. So when people don’t believe in God.... they worship Government.’

The thing though is blacks are the most religious and the most Liberal (and likewise Hispanics and the 2nd most in both), not to mention Libertarianism is as about as far away from communism and it's am Atheist philosophy. So faith in big government doesn't always mean lack faith in religion and vice versa.

44 posted on 12/17/2011 9:40:13 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: x

“Sure, there are people for whom politics is a religion.”

As a practical matter, there is little external difference between a political zealot and a religious zealot.


45 posted on 12/18/2011 9:25:43 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: nathanbedford

>Walter Duranty could not see, or would not see, 7 million Ukrainians starved and murdered by Stalin.
Generations of leftists could overlook 100 million dead catalogued in the Black Book of Communism because it was as nothing compared to the ultimate truth. So if 6 million kulaks die in Ukraine, Walter Duranty does not see it because it does not fit.

Actually, I believe that 7 million was the total dead from all of Stalin’s famines, which didn’t affect only the Ukraine, but also Southern Russia, and also Kazakhstan and even the Volga region as well.

One modern estimate that uses demographic data, including that recently available from Soviet archives, narrows the losses to about 3.2 million or, allowing for the lack of precise data, 3-3.5 million. Nevertheless, a lot of people died, and Duranty turned a blind eye to their suffering. They probably would say that you can’t make a omelette without breaking a few eggs, or that good things require sacrifice.

>If you look at the body language of Barack Obama, which resembles that of Mussolini, you will see an arrogance in which he dismisses not just the point of view of others but their very worth as human beings. He is special because he has a unique apprehension of ultimate truth.

I’ve always felt that Barry was arrogant. Look at his Greek columns display.

>If the national health service in England is causing suffering, is not seen because the quest is not for better care but for equality of care-a greater and ultimate value.

I think that the Left’s idea of success if different from ours. They’re interested in enforced equality.

>Not incidentally, that is why there is no individual salvation to a leftist but group salvation-which Obama has time and again emphasized in his speeches.

The Left is always collectively oriented. They love humanity as a collective whole, but as for individuals? Tough.


46 posted on 12/27/2011 4:15:53 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Osama/Obama the only difference is BS.)
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To: Jacob Kell
The following quote is been popularly attributed to Stalin, the ultimate cynic, "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic."

Whatever the numbers, the principal survives. I find it interesting that you respond to my reply about 10 days later. Once in a while that happens, and I wonder about other seeds planted, will they germinate?


47 posted on 12/28/2011 3:20:15 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

>Whatever the numbers, the principal survives.

As I stated, a lot of people died, and Duranty turned a blind eye to it.

>I find it interesting that you respond to my reply about 10 days later.

Because I came across your post in question at that time. Still, I find it morbidly fascinating that the Left so often would turn blind eyes to the most horrible of atrocities.


48 posted on 12/28/2011 3:39:50 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Osama/Obama the only difference is BS.)
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To: Jacob Kell
I find it morbidly fascinating that the Left so often would turn blind eyes to the most horrible of atrocities.

Fascinating and, I think, revealing. What sort of value system, philosophy, epistemology enables one to overlook the monstrous? Even Thomas Jefferson was not immune to it as he turned, if not a blind eye, at least rose-colored spectacles of the atrocities of the French Revolution.

The capacity of humans to rationalize is virtually infinite, one need only consider Hitler blaming the German people rather than himself for their travail in 1945. If one looks at the Muslim world today, one finds an epidemic of the disease. Millions wept at Stalin's death and millions weep today in North Korea.

If a scientist can look at a virus through his microscope and understand how it replicates, he might identify a weak point and craft a way to kill the virus. That, I think is a value in examining the psyche which can "turn a blind eye" to these atrocities.

That is why offered up my thesis explaining why the left can do what it does concerning these monstrous atrocities.


49 posted on 12/28/2011 4:43:55 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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