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Is the Democrats’ Attempt To Recall Scott Walker A Mistake?
Powerline ^ | 12-16-11 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 12/17/2011 9:15:28 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

The national labor unions have accumulated more than 500,000 signatures on their petition to recall Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin, so they are getting close. There is no process, apparently, for validating the signatures, so it is impossible to say how many are fraudulent. But it seems probable that one way or another, a recall election will take place in May. Will that election be a triumph for the Democrats?

Ann Althouse thinks not:

Let’s assume the signature-gatherers hit the mark and trigger a recall. Walker can only be removed if the Democrats come up with an opponent who beats him in the recall election. What are they going to use for money?

But the Democratic Party reported raising just under $1.2 million between July 1 and Dec. 10 to support its own role in the recall attempt. It has $360,000 in cash on hand.

But money is never the Democrats’ problem. As long as the national unions can extort money from their members against their will, there will be no shortage of cash on the left. I assume the pro-recall forces will outspend the pro-Walker forces by at least two or three to one.

Meanwhile, Walker is still raking money in, and under state law there is no limit on donations, and some people are handing him checks in excess of $200,000.

That is correct. There is currently a window in which you can contribute whatever you want to Walker’s campaign. As I wrote here, you should. You can donate to Walker’s re-election campaign here. Don’t worry if you can only spare a few dollars. Every little bit helps.

This money will flood into an immense advertising campaign next year. Next year, when all the presidential candidates are trying to get attention and when there’s a Senate race here in Wisconsin. Walker will continue to collect donations and spend it freely to promote the conservative agenda in Wisconsin, lending collateral assistance to the Republican candidates in the other 2012 elections. (And candidates in the regular elections have limits on the amounts donors can give them.)

Wisconsin is a key swing state in the presidential election. And Senate seat being vacated by Democrat Herb Kohl could be the one that tips the Senate Republican. The Walker recall could spell nationwide disaster for Democrats.

I certainly hope so, but that is an awfully optimistic assessment. Much more money will be spent to unseat Governor Walker than to re-elect him. On the other hand, the Democrats don’t have a candidate, and it is very weird to recall a governor for doing exactly what he promised to do when he ran for office.

I do think Ann is right that Wisconsin will be the eye of the hurricane in 2012 (or one of them, anyway). I would love to see Walker raise so much money that he can contribute to other Republican campaigns, but that strikes me as highly unlikely. Still, Ann may be right that the Walker recall is a strategic blunder by the Democrats. They chose to turn Wisconsin into Armageddon, betting that they had a better chance of recalling Walker in 2012 than defeating him in 2014, when the success of his policies would be apparent to nearly everyone. If they lose–as I think they will–the lesson will be that honest politicians can stand up to the union bullies, and win.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: recall; scottwalker; senators; walker; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
I attended a large gathering last night of antirecall workers ready to man the battle stations to halt this recall attempt. I signed a huge card in support of the governor. I'm ready to go.

Scott Walker is my hero!

1 posted on 12/17/2011 9:15:35 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Any recent polls on this?


2 posted on 12/17/2011 9:18:23 AM PST by Signalman
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To: Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; TaMoDee; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...
Wisconsin Walker ping. Please let me know if you want on, or off, this ping list. I'm subbing for Diana in Wisconsin and keeping the list.
3 posted on 12/17/2011 9:18:55 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Signalman

I don’t know of any polls. I just know people I see every day. I don’t know ANYBOdy who wants Walker recalled, except for a couple of flaming libs in the neighborhood.


4 posted on 12/17/2011 9:21:04 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Signalman

I don’t know of any polls. I just know people I see every day. I don’t know ANYBOdy who wants Walker recalled, except for a couple of flaming libs in the neighborhood.


5 posted on 12/17/2011 9:21:32 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The only way Walker will win is if the Secretary of State “accidentally” misplaces the returns from one or more GOP-leaning counties, in the initial counts.

The Dem machine will manufacture enough votes to win, no matter how long that takes. The only way to beat them is to mislead them as to how many votes they need.


6 posted on 12/17/2011 9:21:43 AM PST by jdege
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Shouldn’t that say ‘lean forward’?


7 posted on 12/17/2011 9:23:04 AM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: jdege

The SOS is a flaming lib and will do no favors for Walker.


8 posted on 12/17/2011 9:23:36 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: jdege

It worked once - lets see if the GOP can pull it off again.


9 posted on 12/17/2011 9:23:57 AM PST by skeeter
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If Wisconsin wants to have a willy nilly recall process they should add to the chaos by saying there can be an anti-recall petition. So they subtract those that do want to recall vs. those that do not. And then if those that do have more signatures they can win. I’d say minimum thresholds of signatures need to be gained, but since they aren’t checking them why bother. It’s really a race to see who can forge the most signatures.


10 posted on 12/17/2011 9:24:26 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

http://www.wisconsinaction.com/


11 posted on 12/17/2011 9:24:43 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
There is no process, apparently, for validating the signatures, so it is impossible to say how many are fraudulent. But it seems probable that one way or another, a recall election will take place in May. Will that election be a triumph for the Democrats?

Could be a practice drill to see how well they can manipulate the upcoming 2012 contests. Sort of a "Red Army/Blue Army" field exercise before the main battle. They will try to subvert the elections...count on that as a given.

12 posted on 12/17/2011 9:31:03 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The seal contains a hammer and plow. Is a plow different from a sickle?

Does the seal hide communist symbolism? Is that basic at the root symbolism going to get Scott recalled?


13 posted on 12/17/2011 9:31:07 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Thanks for the link. Everybody in the nation wit typing and computer skills can join the “verify movement sponsored by the Tea Party to build a data base. The more the merrier because we will have to enter at least 700,000 signatures into a data base. I attended an organizing meeting last night, and it sounds pretty slick and easy on those of us entering data. But, we have to get the data in and cross-checked within 2 weeks, unless the Walker people can get an extension.

I’ll try to find a link so you all can sign up.


14 posted on 12/17/2011 9:34:15 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bert
"The seal contains a hammer and plow. Is a plow different from a sickle?"

Those symbols stand for farming, manufacturing, fishing and mining...all prominent in Wisconsin history.

15 posted on 12/17/2011 9:36:33 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
http://www.verifytherecall.com/
16 posted on 12/17/2011 9:39:23 AM PST by TaxPayer2000
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To: afraidfortherepublic
For those wishing to help with verifying the recall signatures:

Verify the Recall

Remember, all volunteers can help. I coul dtake only an hour of your time. Every signature will be checked twice.

17 posted on 12/17/2011 9:40:21 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bert; gorush

That is the silliest comment I’ve ever read, bert. INDUSTRY. The seal stands for historic industries that made Wisconsin prosperous. Gorush has it right.


18 posted on 12/17/2011 9:43:10 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Two days ago on our way home from a trip in the R.V. we stopped at Williston Crossings near Ocala Florida where I spoke with two retired (retarded) teachers from Wisconsin.
Staying there for the winter so they aren’t too stupid but they were so anti Walker I needled them as best I could.
Then we got on to occupy wall street and I simply asked ,”what the hell is that all about anyway”? and again they nearly went cookoo for coco puffs.


19 posted on 12/17/2011 9:43:42 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: TaxPayer2000

Thanks, taxpayer.


20 posted on 12/17/2011 9:44:09 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bert
Is a plow different from a sickle?

A plow breaks ground so the farmer can plant seed. A sicle reaps what the farmer has sown. Do you see a difference?

21 posted on 12/17/2011 9:49:38 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

yes, you are right


22 posted on 12/17/2011 9:50:21 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Something that might be worth setting up, would be a 'distributed verification project', built on the lines of the Distributed Proofreading project run by Project Gutenberg. What they do is scan a book in, (in this case it would be pages of petitions), then they have a page where you can see an image of the proofread page, and a section of text that the OCR software translated it as. As a proofreader, you compare the image to the OCR text and correct any typos. You get a random page (within a given book)to proof, so you have no real control over exactly what it is that you're going to proofread. As each page is proofed, it is set aside, then another round of proofing is done on it. Here's where we could catch people who were trying to game the proofing. If the second round proofer gets a page that was maliciously changed or something, the entire work product of the first proofer could be flagged for review.

If you had just a thousand people (surely the GOP, being a national party could put together a thousand people to do something) proofing one page of signatures a day, that's a thousand pages a day. If you had a thousand people who took an hour of their time to do 10 or so pages, that's 10,000 pages processed in an hour.I don't know how many pages would need to be done, but one would think that going through all the signatures in this way could be done pretty quickly, with the resultant text being something that would be easy to import into a database.

The GOP has money. If they actually care about free and fair elections, they could easily afford to invest in something like this, as it wouldn't be just a one-time project. It could also be used to validate voting rolls, and a lot of other stuff.

23 posted on 12/17/2011 10:09:49 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The recallers are so arrogant. A guy was on the news in Madison bragging about how many of the recall petitions he signed! We saw some of them down in Port near the high school waving signs. I cannot believe how many libs there are in Ozaukee. What on earth is the recall based on? Doing what he promised?


24 posted on 12/17/2011 10:18:00 AM PST by ozaukeemom (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: for-q-clinton

I used to work as a canvasser. I stand behind every signature I collected as a for real signature, signed and collected. :)

Maybe some of the folks are dishonest, but what’s the point?


25 posted on 12/17/2011 10:23:27 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I signed up but haven’t had any verification email. Are they sending out anything to let you know your application has been accepted?


26 posted on 12/17/2011 10:39:12 AM PST by Oatka (This is the USA, assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: for-q-clinton
If Wisconsin wants to have a willy nilly recall process they should add to the chaos by saying there can be an anti-recall petition. . . . I’d say minimum thresholds of signatures need to be gained, but since they aren’t checking them why bother. It’s really a race to see who can forge the most signatures.

Sounds like a plan, and if possible, our side ought to do it. Since the GAB says they won't verify signatures as long as they have a valid WI address, then we too can sign "Adolph Hitler", "Mickey Mouse", ad nauseum. (If they checking to see if the addresses are valid, then how much trouble to validate the names - at least the obvious fraudulent ones?)

27 posted on 12/17/2011 10:46:21 AM PST by Oatka (This is the USA, assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

How many like Mickey Mouse have signed the recall petition?


28 posted on 12/17/2011 10:52:34 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I think that if “Mickey Mouse” and “Adolf Hitler” want Gov. Walker recalled, we are in big trouble. What’s really weird is that I didn’t know “Mickey Mouse” and “Adolf Hitler” even lived in Wisconsin. The communist DemocRATS and the union mafia have turned our elections into a big joke.


29 posted on 12/17/2011 10:57:14 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It is mega hard to recall a governor. They did it in CA but he was a real POS. I seriously doubt there is any chance of recalling Walker.


30 posted on 12/17/2011 11:22:26 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

No...Being a DIMocRAT is a mistake.


31 posted on 12/17/2011 12:01:10 PM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: gorush
Those symbols stand for farming, manufacturing, fishing and mining...all prominent in Wisconsin history.

It all started with fur trapping/trading by French Canadian Voyageurs.

Regards,
GtG

32 posted on 12/17/2011 2:02:56 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: bert
Wisconsin became a state in 1848...the same year that Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels published The Communist Manifesto

Coincidence? I think not.

33 posted on 12/17/2011 2:18:52 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Not only that but in 1917, the year of the Communist revolution, NPR began on Wisconsin public radio.

It just keeps getting worse and worse


34 posted on 12/17/2011 2:38:08 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert

Are you kidding? I thought the very first radio broadcasts were in 1920.


35 posted on 12/17/2011 3:19:53 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: zeugma

That’s sort of what they’re doing.


36 posted on 12/17/2011 3:24:53 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Verginius Rufus

I did misspeak. It was not NPR, but WPR, however it was 1917

“Wisconsin Public Radio - Home

Since 1917, Wisconsin Public Radio has been offering listeners a stimulating means by which to exchange ideas, an efficient way to get caught up on the day’s news ...
www.wpr.org”

So, never mind


37 posted on 12/17/2011 3:48:26 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: zeugma

Something to work on before the 2012 elections....

God Bless Scott Walker


38 posted on 12/17/2011 3:58:21 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: bert
I was going by what Frederick Lewis Allen says in Only Yesterday: An Informal History of the Nineteen-Twenties (first published in 1931):

"The first broadcasting station had been opened in East Pittsburgh on November 2, 1920--a date which school children may some day have to learn--to carry the Harding-Cox election returns. This was station KDKA, operated by the Westinghouse Company." (p. 64)

But elsewhere Allen speaks of some earlier efforts to broadcast speeches and music.

39 posted on 12/17/2011 4:15:50 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: bert

Not that it is anything really to be proud of any longer, but from what I understand, the Republican party started here in Wisconsin.
There are a lot of good conservatives here. Madison and Milwaukee and some other college towns muck it up just like other states. The unions are a cancer here like other places. The Dems will lie and cheat and steal as they generally do. It makes it that much sweeter when we do prevail. I wish they would make examples of the cheaters, but we know it will not happen. Look at Gwen Moore as a prime example. I have to believe that Walker will get through this idiotic recall nonsense and be able to continue his work.


40 posted on 12/17/2011 4:56:48 PM PST by ozaukeemom (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

We spent two hours today at a busy corner in Sheboygan holding up Pro-Walker signs and 99 percent honked and held their thumbs up. I think the whining of the teachers and others is starting to grate on on regular peoples’ nerves.


41 posted on 12/17/2011 6:05:14 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

I believe I was one of those that drove by you...was your sign yellow in color?


42 posted on 12/17/2011 7:52:25 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Are the Democrats a Mistake?

Sorry, that was rhetorical.

Thanks afraidfortherepublic.


43 posted on 12/19/2011 1:02:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Diana in Wisconsin

Kindly add me to the Scott Walker ping list.

Go Pack!


44 posted on 01/13/2012 2:53:41 PM PST by Lando Lincoln (But that's just me.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

You have been added. It is not exclusively a Scott Walker list; it is a Wisconsin interest list. I try to sum up in a few words what the ping is about so you can skip it if you are not interested. For instance, “Wisconsin Scott Walker Recall Ping” or “Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ping” or “Wisconsin Great Circus Parade Ping”. You get the idea, I’m sure.


45 posted on 01/13/2012 3:34:14 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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