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NBC/WSJ poll: Romney Struggles With Primary Voters, Gingrich With General Electorate [Newt: 50% No]
MSNBC ^ | December 16, 2011 | Mark Murray

Posted on 12/17/2011 3:10:31 PM PST by Steelfish

NBC/WSJ poll: Romney Struggles With Primary Voters, Gingrich With General Electorate

By Mark Murray, Deputy Political Director, NBC News

WASHINGTON - Exactly three weeks until the first Republican presidential nominating contest in Iowa, front-runners Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney have two different challenges, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Romney faces a challenge with the Republican primary electorate, trailing Gingrich nationally by 17 percentage points as nearly two-thirds of Republicans view him as either liberal or moderate.

Gingrich, meanwhile, faces a challenge with the general electorate, as half of all voters say they wouldn’t vote for him in November, and as he trails President Barack Obama by more than 10 percentage points in a hypothetical contest -- compared with Romney’s two-point deficit versus the Democratic incumbent.

“Romney has not caught on [with Republican voters],” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff. “And Gingrich is so deeply flawed.”

“I think the Republican Party for the next four months is on the razor’s edge,” Hart adds. “Here is a year where they have a superlative opportunity to capture the White House. The question is whether they will self-destruct.”

(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.msnbc.msn.com ...


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This is troubling. That half of all voters won't vote for Gingrich in November and he trails Obama by 10-points.
1 posted on 12/17/2011 3:10:35 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
That half of all voters won't vote for Gingrich in November and he trails Obama by 10-points.

When they are seen side by side in a debate, that deficit will go away before the credits run.

2 posted on 12/17/2011 3:13:06 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Steelfish

That sounds about right.


3 posted on 12/17/2011 3:13:07 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Steelfish

Reagan trailed Carter until September before the election.


4 posted on 12/17/2011 3:13:30 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Steelfish

5 posted on 12/17/2011 3:13:50 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: for-q-clinton

Newt’s not Reagan.


6 posted on 12/17/2011 3:15:10 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Steelfish

Newt remains the brightest and the best of the candidates we have t pick from. Once Republicans pick a candidate to run against zero everyone will unite and it will be a whole different world. Too much at stake this time.


7 posted on 12/17/2011 3:17:58 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Steelfish

If Gingrich wants to win, he needs to hit the gym, eat a high-energy, high-protein, low carb diet, and look more “virile” next to Bambi.

Remember, Reagan’s gym pic that was on the cover of Parade Magazine? The age and energy issue disappeared after that issue.


8 posted on 12/17/2011 3:18:09 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Steelfish

If Gingrich wants to win, he needs to hit the gym, eat a high-energy, high-protein, low carb diet, and look more “virile” next to Bambi.

Remember, Reagan’s gym pic that was on the cover of Parade Magazine? The age and energy issue disappeared after that issue.


9 posted on 12/17/2011 3:18:29 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Steelfish
Mitt Romney wins much coveted Jimmy Carter endorsement



Truthful Milt Romney:

"I'm very clear I think, to the people across the Commonwealth
my "R" didn't stand so much for Republican as it does for reform.
"
(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)




10 posted on 12/17/2011 3:19:18 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

You could be right about Newt getting in shape - but the bigger question is ‘How does Obama grow a brain?’


11 posted on 12/17/2011 3:20:48 PM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason..)
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To: Steelfish
Don't mean shit. Gingrich was in single digits among republicans, until the debates. Not that many rats and indies watching the parade so far. Wait until the Main Event. Newt will take care of business.
12 posted on 12/17/2011 3:21:03 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Timber Rattler

NO!


13 posted on 12/17/2011 3:22:02 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Steelfish

Right now Obama has the whole democrat party supporting him while Newt is still in the primaries without a vote even cast yet.


14 posted on 12/17/2011 3:22:17 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (http://tinyurl.com/boj2xhv)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

I don´t know. I think there´s something comforting about just having somebody who looks normal.

Bambi looks like a skinny freak and doesn´t look ¨virile¨ at all. Also, you always see pictures of Obama literally cramming food into his mouth; he has the table manners of a very hungry dog. He´s creepy.


15 posted on 12/17/2011 3:22:34 PM PST by livius
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To: Steelfish

Take a look at the Gingrich-related comments here on what is probably the premier conservative website, and see if more then 50% favor Gingrich.


16 posted on 12/17/2011 3:22:47 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Steelfish

Well, I bet half of them wouldn´t vote for Romney, either. That would be my half...


17 posted on 12/17/2011 3:23:33 PM PST by livius
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
I not only don't remember "Reagan's gym pic on Parade Magazine," this is the first time I ever heard of it. And I was fully involved, as an adult, in 1980. Get real. How come we have people pimping for Christie, who outweighs Newt by a hundred pounds?

You amateurs really just raise the noise level and thats all.

19 posted on 12/17/2011 3:26:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Timber Rattler
Agreed. When Newt appears at the debate, he will be seen as a pudgy old white guy completely lacking in the charm Reagan (or even the Bushes) had. We need someone who can sway the independent sheeple, not by abandoning principle, but by persuasion.

Newt has taken the lead by telling conservatives what they want to here. That won't help him in the general election.

20 posted on 12/17/2011 3:26:58 PM PST by hellbender
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To: for-q-clinton

Comparison to Reagan don’t cut it. The demographics have since changed, no more Cold War, and Reagan was super-telegenic that would magnetize women voters in the crucial 19-49 demographic. Check the internals of the poll. Without the independents swinging onto our side, we lose. Newt loses this key demographic in a landslide against Obama. It’s the arithmetic.


21 posted on 12/17/2011 3:27:37 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: hellbender

You nailed it. Little gain in winning the primary battle and losing the war. 4 more years of Obama and the nation is over the abyss.


22 posted on 12/17/2011 3:29:30 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

Sounds like Reagan vs. Carter.


23 posted on 12/17/2011 3:29:50 PM PST by mmanager (Reagan Revolution + Republican Revolution = Bury Obama in 2012 - Go Newt!)
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To: Sudetenland
NO!

This appears to run contrary to your tagline.

24 posted on 12/17/2011 3:29:58 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: mmanager

no. See post #21


25 posted on 12/17/2011 3:30:34 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Timber Rattler
Nice try. Thanks for playing, but you can sit down now. If those Palin voters and Cain voters didn't actually like Newt they would now be "undecided"-- That means they don't have a favorite, for you flunkies in Rio Linda.
26 posted on 12/17/2011 3:31:20 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Steelfish

MSNBC, really? When are you going to stop letting the media lead you around by the nose?


27 posted on 12/17/2011 3:31:26 PM PST by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: Steelfish
Giving up on Huntsman already PMSNBC?

Try as you may, you will NOT be able to editorialize Romney into the general race either.

28 posted on 12/17/2011 3:32:10 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Timber Rattler
Newt’s not Reagan.

Perhaps not however Romney IS 0bama.

29 posted on 12/17/2011 3:33:58 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: JoSixChip

It’s the poll. We need to stop blaming the messenger.


30 posted on 12/17/2011 3:34:27 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

The way this thing read Newt can win the Primary, but not the election.

What makes MSNBC so sure that Romney can win the electorate.

The fact is they are spouting BS,because they want Romney as our candidate. They know they can beat Romney, Newt is an unknown. This is MSNBC people , think about that. They want Romney. They are the enemy.

Romney cannot win the electorate any better than Newt can. For every Republican voter who says they will not vote for Newt there is a Republican voter who says they will not vote for Romney. Fact is we will vote for Ben Dover before we will vote for Obama.Do not let MSNBC fool you, Newt frightens them. Romney doesn’t.


31 posted on 12/17/2011 3:34:42 PM PST by Venturer
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In Jan 1980 Gallup had Carter led Reagan 62% to 33%, looks like Gingrich is in great shape.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=115543.0

BTW without the internals who many dems, pubs and independents, adults, registered voters, likely voters the results may or may not be crap.

So when we look at the internals we see the following:

Strong Democrat ........................... 19
Not very strong Democrat ............. 11
Independent/lean Democrat .......... 14
Strictly Independent ....................... 16
Independent/lean Republican ........ 13
Not very strong Republican ........... 10
Strong Republican ......................... 14
Other (VOL) ................................... 2

Later they separate out registered voters who identify as republican, so the poll is of adults, the sampled is skewed to dems in the sampling and they don’t even check for likely voter status.

IOW this result is about as skewed to Obama as they could get.

Total BS, don’t be a sheep think for yourself and don’t believe what the elites in the media say.


32 posted on 12/17/2011 3:35:14 PM PST by Leto (Damn shame Palin didn't run, The Presidency was Her's for the taking)
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To: Steelfish

I know you wanted this to be a discouraging post for Newt supporters, but it is miles beyond what I expected. The fact that he is equal with Obama, when Obama has had as much fawning press as Newt has had vicious press, makes this number astounding. Once the party gets behind him totally, focuses on Obama, like they should have been all along, and AFTER the debates, I think Newt is headed to 1600. This heartens me.


33 posted on 12/17/2011 3:35:36 PM PST by true believer forever (First, they came for the rich.)
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To: Steelfish

There’s only one poll that counts, and it isn’t one conducted by a left wing of the dnc!


34 posted on 12/17/2011 3:36:53 PM PST by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: hinckley buzzard
If those Palin voters and Cain voters didn't actually like Newt they would now be "undecided"-- That means they don't have a favorite, for you flunkies in Rio Linda.

Wishful thinking on your part. The fact of the matter is that Newt wasn't even on anybody's radar until those women started coming out of the woodwork and making accusations against Cain.

And anyway I seriously doubt that Newt will ever be able to draw crowds like THIS...


35 posted on 12/17/2011 3:41:22 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Venturer

Look, Newt’s policies are super. The best. But if he cannot win (think Independents) what purpose is there? At the end of the day we need a wining candidate and unless Iowa gives us a Perry, Bachman, or Santorum, then we have little choice with Romney (unviable to the base) and Newt (poison to 50% voters).


36 posted on 12/17/2011 3:41:56 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Leto

PLease! The Reagan comparisons imply isn’t there. See post#21


37 posted on 12/17/2011 3:43:50 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

The media drum beat continues..FUem.


38 posted on 12/17/2011 3:44:39 PM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: JoSixChip

Poison Poll! look at the numbers

Q22 Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as (ROTATE:) a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or
something else? (IF “DEMOCRAT” OR “REPUBLICAN,” ASK:) Would you call yourself a strong
(Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF “NOT SURE,” CODE AS “NOT
VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.”) (IF “INDEPENDENT,” ASK:) Do you think of yourself as
closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly
independent? (IF “NOT SURE,” CODE AS “STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.”)
Strong Democrat ........................... 19
Not very strong Democrat ............. 11
Independent/lean Democrat .......... 14
Strictly Independent ....................... 16
Independent/lean Republican ........ 13
Not very strong Republican ........... 10
Strong Republican ......................... 14
Other (VOL) ................................... 2
Not sure ....................................... 1


39 posted on 12/17/2011 3:48:18 PM PST by Rodm
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To: for-q-clinton
Not even in the same class. newt is more gerald ford or nixonian than he is Reaganesque.

LLS

40 posted on 12/17/2011 3:56:58 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: hinckley buzzard; Admin Moderator

Personal attacks are uncalled for and violate the TOS of FR.

Here is the link to the December 04, 1983 Parade article; just scroll down a bit and you will the the cover photo. From there, you can see the actual article with more pictures.

Been here since September 3, 1998 - 3 1/2 months before you.

And Gingrich still needs to shape up if he wants to win.


41 posted on 12/17/2011 3:58:44 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Link:

http://www.parade.com/news/2011/01/16-my-father-the-president.html


42 posted on 12/17/2011 4:01:01 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: rodguy911

That true, we will unite behind our candidate once they are chosen. I for one will fight like hell for anyone unless it’s Romney or Paul.


43 posted on 12/17/2011 4:04:07 PM PST by Kenny
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To: Steelfish

Post #21 is irrelevant to the concept that polling this early in the cycle when the President is presiding over a poor economy doesn’t mean squat.

Also you missed the whole point of how the internals of the poll you are touting are essentially crap ie skewed to Obama. Do you really believe the generic pub dem split is 30-24 in favor of the dems?

Are you unaware that polls of all adults skew more dem than polls of registered voters and that polls of registered voters skews more to the dems than polls of likely voters?

This poll also doesn’t seek to measure how strongly motivated voters are this year, the ‘enthusiasm’ factor.

So if you have an agenda fine, but baseless BS and childish analysis doesn’t fly without being challenged around here.


44 posted on 12/17/2011 4:04:21 PM PST by Leto (Damn shame Palin didn't run, The Presidency was Her's for the taking)
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To: Timber Rattler
I wanted Palin too :-(

I repeat below an old post where I was engaging in wishful thinking....It's my dream, crazier things have happened.

Because of the overwhelming bias against Palin by the MSM there is just one way I see her ever becoming president.

She makes a deal with Newt, she endorses him and then he picks her as VP.

He serves 2 years and resigns for whatever reason, she becomes president and the MSM is powerless to stop it.

She becomes immune to the main charge that she is unqualified after serving as president and turning in a great performance.

She serves 10 years in office, 2 + 4 + 4. We have Palin until 2023!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

Don’t think for a second that Newt is not shrewd enough to pull this off.

I think Newt would be satisfied with 2yrs as president...forever after known as President Gingrich, elder statesman and renowned historian...working the lecture circuit.

45 posted on 12/17/2011 4:05:55 PM PST by Bobalu (even Jesus knew the poor would always be with us)
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To: Steelfish
If the infighting amongst conservatives doesn't stop,we WILL be stuck with someone we don't want-0bama.That should be the main goal-getting this regime out of power and shutting his agenda down,once and for all.
Look at the field of candidates we have before us now. Unless something changes after the first part of the year,we will be stuck with Gingrich,like it or not.
No one wants Romney...Santorum and Bachmann are so far back it ain't even funny...Perry is gaffing his way to oblivion....and we won't even mention Ron Paul.
So..who else is there? What do we do?
I want Allen West. I want Sarah Palin. They are the only true conservatives with conviction,courage and faith that can hold their own and stand strong against withering opposition and attacks.But they're not available. So we work with what we have.
I'm trying to be realistic. It is what it is.
46 posted on 12/17/2011 4:13:20 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: Steelfish

“NBC/WSJ poll: Romney Struggles With Primary Voters, Gingrich With General Electorate [Newt: 50% No]”

Same problem Reagan had a year before the 1980 election. I specifically remember my mother calling him a “Reactionary”, and she remembers that too...as of yesterday.


47 posted on 12/17/2011 4:15:26 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: Bobalu
Oh my..I looooove that scenario.Let it be,Lord!!!
48 posted on 12/17/2011 4:17:56 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: BobL

Comparison to Reagan is unreal. The demographics were different, it was the Cold War era, Reagan was disciplined, telegenic, and did not scare voters away. Newt polices are super. He needs to discipline his rhetoric.


49 posted on 12/17/2011 4:18:45 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

How many thousands of columns, editorials and rants will be written about this between now and next November, I wonder.


50 posted on 12/17/2011 4:25:47 PM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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