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Alabama Residents Furious Over Possible Rate Increases:
The Blaze ^ | 17 Dec 2011 | Becket Adams

Posted on 12/17/2011 4:26:35 PM PST by mandaladon

“These people are going to end up rioting about this,” says Sheila Tyson, a community activist in Jefferson County, Ala. “If they let this stuff happen they are going to get the biggest riot the South has ever seen . . . I can see it coming.”

That’s a pretty serious prediction. What could possibly start a riot that big?

She’s talking about the likelihood of Jefferson County increasing its water and sewage bill rates.

Oh. Is it really all that bad?

“If the sewer bill gets higher, my light might get cut off and if I try to catch up the light, my water might get cut off. So we’re in between. We can’t make it like this,” says Tammy Lucas, a Birmingham resident who has been affected by a “financial and political scandal that has brought one of the most deprived communities in America’s south to the point of what some local people believe is collapse,” reports the BBC.

Lucas’ monthly water and sewage rate has managed to quadruple in the past 15 years. Currently, her bill is $150 a month, which she pays for by using her $600 social security check.

“We need to keep the water running because we’re women,” she says. “We need to take baths. I try to pay the sewer bill and the water bill together and then what little I got left I try to put on my lights. I got to have lights.”

One of her Birmingham neighbors, who wished to remain anonymous, has already decided between lights and water: His home now has a porta-potty next to it. Why?

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: communism; gotta; obama; taxes; webe; zero
‘If They Let This Stuff Happen They Are Going to Get the Biggest Riot the South Has Ever Seen’

Sewage and water rates (on average) have increased faster than inflation because the federal government has demanded that cities replace their “worn-out” sewer facilities to meet federal clean-water standards.............Would Obama policies have anything to do with this?

1 posted on 12/17/2011 4:26:43 PM PST by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon
We need to keep the water running because we’re women,” she says. “We need to take baths.

Men don't?

2 posted on 12/17/2011 4:29:18 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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To: Graybeard58

How deep do you have to go in that area to have your own well? You can pump a whole lot of water for less than $150 per month.


3 posted on 12/17/2011 4:32:22 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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To: Graybeard58
We need to keep the water running because we’re women,” she says. “We need to take baths. Men don't?

I have not had a bath in over 60 years. (Of course I do shower almost daily).

4 posted on 12/17/2011 4:32:36 PM PST by ProudFossil
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To: Graybeard58
Men don't?

No, but it's suggested before going into town on Saturday night.

/johnny

5 posted on 12/17/2011 4:32:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: mandaladon

In other words, stupid a$$hats voted for stupid a$$hats who, after being told they had to upgrade their water and sewage systems at a cost of $300 million, somehow managed to F@#K it up so badly that they spent over THREE BILLION on it.

And now the a$$hats that voted for the a$$hats now have to pay it off.

-

Just another example of why the right to vote should not EVER be a universal right.


6 posted on 12/17/2011 4:39:47 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: mandaladon

The last time I read a story about Birmingham the water and sewer rates were about $100 per month.

Now they are hyping the story by saying the rates are $300 per month.

Something tells me “The Blaze” is stoking the fire here.

As near as I can tell Birmingham water and sewer rates are not that much out of line with other cities in the USA.


7 posted on 12/17/2011 4:39:47 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Graybeard58
A billion in overruns on a government mandated project financed by companies that clearly are much smarter than the hired help in county government.

I'm sure this has been repeated across the country.

8 posted on 12/17/2011 4:41:00 PM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: mandaladon

“Community activist Sheila Tyson, who was mentioned in the above, says soaring water and sewage rates have “traditionally hit the poorest parts of the county hardest” because “wealthier” county residents can afford to instal septic tanks on their property.”

Wealth has nothing to do with it. Septic tanks may not even be allowed if city sewer is available. If they are there are restrictions based on drainfield size and on distance form potable water and elevation. This is not a matter of rich vs poor but of poor financial decisions brought about because of federal mandates.


9 posted on 12/17/2011 4:41:18 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: mandaladon

I’m wondering if they have a cell phone or cable. If she says she just gets $600 SS what’s her rent? How much for food? At that income she should be entitled to some sort of rate reduction (paid for by tax payers of course) - just asking.


10 posted on 12/17/2011 4:42:48 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: mandaladon

That would be Lisa “I’m only black if it benefits me” Jackson.


11 posted on 12/17/2011 4:42:49 PM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Graybeard58

Don’t know about well drilling prices there but in Washington state it’s running about $45 per foot to drill.


12 posted on 12/17/2011 4:44:05 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: mandaladon

Sheila Tyson

13 posted on 12/17/2011 4:47:37 PM PST by blam
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To: Graybeard58

I live in Maryland, Have my own well and the SOB’s tried to tax my friggin septic tank.


14 posted on 12/17/2011 4:50:08 PM PST by Venturer
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To: mandaladon

Fraud Involving JP Morgan

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/07/jefferson-county-alabama-hires.html


15 posted on 12/17/2011 4:52:04 PM PST by MulberryDraw (Anyone see the democrat budget yet?)
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To: gogogodzilla

Be careful. These are Republicans that were voted in. Alabama is in the top five RED states in the U.S.


16 posted on 12/17/2011 4:52:17 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Larry Langford Sentenced To 15 Years In Prison

Former Birmingham Mayor Larry Langford today was sentenced to 15 years in prison this morning for accepting bribes while serving as president of the Jefferson County Commission by U.S. District Judge Scott Coogler.

17 posted on 12/17/2011 4:54:22 PM PST by blam
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To: Venturer

I’m in Oregon, outside of the city on a well, & they’re talking about putting a meter & tax on EVERYONE because we use ground water. They will not be happy until they take every penny we have.


18 posted on 12/17/2011 4:56:00 PM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: SkyDancer

Man: That’s high. You folks are getting ripped.


19 posted on 12/17/2011 4:57:57 PM PST by Venturer
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To: mandaladon

Sounds like a market opportunity for the Port-a-potty and water sellers.


20 posted on 12/17/2011 5:00:21 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: MulberryDraw
The sewage system was supposed to cost $300 million. However, since the project started in 1996, the costs have risen to $3.1 billion after various problems and a series of bond and derivatives deals fell through in 2008..................Something went wrong here?
21 posted on 12/17/2011 5:00:33 PM PST by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: mandaladon

I would be darned PO’ed if my water, sewer and trash bill was over a Hundred Bucks! Sixty is max even when having to water my garden!


22 posted on 12/17/2011 5:01:43 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: blam
“Somebody from Washington D.C. needs to come down here and take these sewer bills to where they are affordable for the people in these districts. Injustice – that’s all this is. They need to come down here and fix it,” Tyson said..................Perhaps she's hoping Obama would fix the problem
23 posted on 12/17/2011 5:04:48 PM PST by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: Venturer

Well I don’t know what service you use but when ours was drilled the water source was 260’ down. At the time the price was $35/foot; came out to almost $10K.


24 posted on 12/17/2011 5:10:54 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SkyDancer

Here our wells are 450 feet down into the first aquifer,and the cost is around $7,000 bucks.


25 posted on 12/17/2011 5:13:37 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

So where are you?


26 posted on 12/17/2011 5:15:22 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: mandaladon
“If the sewer bill gets higher, my light might get cut off and if I try to catch up the light, my water might get cut off. So we’re in between. We can’t make it like this,”

I bet that cell phone is paid up in full however.

27 posted on 12/17/2011 5:17:47 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: SkyDancer

The People’s Republic of Maryland.


28 posted on 12/17/2011 5:18:33 PM PST by Venturer
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To: mandaladon
Would Obama policies have anything to do with this?

To be fair, no. This far predates the coronation of Obama.

29 posted on 12/17/2011 5:18:45 PM PST by PAR35
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To: mandaladon

Attention!
Residents of Birmingham, Alabama:
This is what happens when you vote for democrats, socialists, and Marxists.
Sounds real good in the short term, but...
(you freeking dumb asses)


30 posted on 12/17/2011 5:27:19 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Graybeard58
I live there. At one time they were talking about taxing the people on septic tanks also to cover the cost of building the water treatment facilities. Also they were going to build it out near lake Purdy, which is where our water supply comes from. In order to put it out there they were going to build a tunnel under the Cahaba River. which is the stream that fills up the lake. The potential for contaminating the water supply was almost 100%. The same EPA that said we would have to update our sewage system was the one that said we couldn't put the treatment center next to our water supply. The EPA said that we couldn't build a tunnel under the river that fed our water supply also. The city of Birmingham didn't stop building the project they kept on building it while fighting the ruling in court. Thus spending Millions apon Millions of more dollars. It was finally mandated by the federal government that they stop the construction. At that point they had million doller digging equipment in a tunnel in the ground. The city left it down there while paying the rent money for the equipment. All this while the case was pending. The tunnel flooded and all that equipment was ruined, and the county had to pay for it. All this because the city of Birmingham council said the sewage treatment center could not be placed anywhere else in the city. There are closed Steel factories and property that would be perfect for the use. The property out by lake Purdy is high dollar land. The Birmingham Water Works Utility is a private company regulated and controlled by the City of Birmingham. The city gets money from the water works profits. If the city leases the sewage treatement land from the Birmingham Water Works rather then buying the property outright then there is a continual flow of money as long as the lease stands. When they stopped the construction they stopped that lease agreement. All their plans then went, so they say, “Down the drain.”
31 posted on 12/17/2011 5:29:17 PM PST by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: mandaladon

I would have to say this, after seeing the area and houses water is supplied to...at $150.00 a month they are getting ripped off big time. This is what you get when liberals rule.


32 posted on 12/17/2011 5:31:53 PM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: mandaladon

All part of Agenda 21: Make life so expensive that people can’t afford to live.


33 posted on 12/17/2011 5:33:41 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Um, in my community combined sewer and water bill is below $40.00. Tack on another $15 if you want garbage pickup.


34 posted on 12/17/2011 5:39:36 PM PST by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: mandaladon

Interesting, I live in a town 45 miles north of Los Angeles and I just received a notification today from my city water dept. that my water rates are going up,up, up. And they just increased them last year, too. WTF over.


35 posted on 12/17/2011 5:41:43 PM PST by Signalman
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To: mandaladon

It’s the EPA’s fault.


36 posted on 12/17/2011 5:44:50 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SkyDancer
Don’t know about well drilling prices there but in Washington state it’s running about $45 per foot to drill.

Washington has a lot of rock to drill through. Down South it's mostly sand and clay so it's a lot cheaper. BTW are you back from Australia or just visiting for the holidays? A good friend of mine has just moved from NC to Darwin because of all the work there. He's loving the people and the weather. Happy Hanukkah.

37 posted on 12/17/2011 5:52:19 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: SkyDancer

My well is 625 feet - at the time it cost me $27/ft.


38 posted on 12/17/2011 6:10:04 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

In Jefferson County if you drill a well they tax you on the well as if it had a faucet.

The streets are constantly being repaired from broken pipes.

The people of Jefferson County ,it’s not just the inner city but many bedroom communities, are paying $300.00 to $500.00 a month for water and sewer. Ten years ago they were paying $50.00.

In Alabama elections it’s a toss up. The inner city voters, the southern black belt and Huntsville, full of government employees take a toll.


39 posted on 12/17/2011 6:21:53 PM PST by imemyself
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To: napscoordinator
"Be careful. These are Republicans that were voted in. Alabama is in the top five RED states in the U.S. "

Some counties in Alabama are 98% Black.

One county has the distinction of casting the highest ever % for a presidential candidate...Algore got 88% of the vote in that county.

40 posted on 12/17/2011 7:21:44 PM PST by blam
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To: napscoordinator

They are writing about Jefferson County (Birmingham). Obama voters are about 85%.


41 posted on 12/17/2011 7:21:55 PM PST by papageo
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To: napscoordinator

They are writing about Jefferson County (Birmingham). Obama voters are about 85%.


42 posted on 12/17/2011 7:22:13 PM PST by papageo
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To: mandaladon

What part of “necessarily skyrocket” didn’t these people understand?


43 posted on 12/17/2011 7:32:22 PM PST by The Duke
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To: mandaladon

Hey, they STILL vote Democrat every general election and for the black Democrat in the primaries.
What do they expect?


44 posted on 12/17/2011 7:46:08 PM PST by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: Graybeard58; mandaladon

***We need to keep the water running because we’re women,” she says. “We need to take baths.***

I have a book published in the 1880s. In the chapter “The Bath” it states a woman can take a bath, and...”only one quart of water is necessary.”


45 posted on 12/17/2011 8:51:46 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: mandaladon

***...has already decided between lights and water: His home now has a porta-potty next to it. Why?**

Most bills automaticly charge your water bill for sewer even though you are on septic or a “porta-potty.


46 posted on 12/17/2011 8:55:23 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SunTzuWu

Hi!
Just visiting. Head back DnUnDa right after the first of the year. The drillers here had to go through several hundred feet of basalt rock before hitting gravel where the drillers knew they were close to hitting water. They it water around 260ft and then pulled the drill head back to 240. We pump 15gpm with a static pressure of 90ft. It took three hours to pump it down to 140ft static. It flows fast from glacial water up in the Olympics. Cold like 45deg out the tap. Sweet stuff. I love going up to Darwin. Best thunder storms evah!
Thanks for the Hanukkah greeting.
R/Janey


47 posted on 12/17/2011 9:33:06 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Venturer

Sorry to learn that.


48 posted on 12/17/2011 9:33:49 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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