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Boehner wants new bill cutting payroll tax
Atlanta Journal and Constitution ^ | 12-18-11 | Alan Fram

Posted on 12/18/2011 6:57:56 AM PST by Yankee

WASHINGTON — House Speaker John Boehner says he opposes a Senate-approved bill extending a payroll tax cut and jobless benefits for just two months and wants congressional bargainers to write a new measure that would last an entire year.

The Ohio Republican said on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday that the Senate's two-month bill would be "kicking the can down the road." He mentioned items in the House version of the bill that were not in the Senate legislation, including restrictions on Obama administration curbs on industrial pollution.

Boehner's comments came a day after the Senate easily approved a compromise payroll tax cut bill. But in a conference call among House Republicans later Saturday, many complained bitterly about the $33 billion Senate bill, saying it lacked serious spending cuts.


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This is not going to help the narrative that "Boehner caved".
1 posted on 12/18/2011 6:58:00 AM PST by Yankee
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To: Yankee

Boehner is useless. He needs to quit golfing with Obama and retire. Fortunately he comes up for election every two years. When the leadership of the House falls into the hands of Conservatives, America will begin to recover.


2 posted on 12/18/2011 7:06:22 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Yankee

Instead of “payroll tax” being cut [which worsens the SS funding situation] how about an “income tax” cut?

The reasons stated by ozero for the payroll tax cut apply to an income tax cut too.

Unless ozero is intentionally trying to bankrupt us, that is.


3 posted on 12/18/2011 7:06:29 AM PST by Principled
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To: Yankee

So he was against the Senate bill after he was for it?


4 posted on 12/18/2011 7:07:51 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: Yankee

So, basically Boehner is trying to one-up Democrats in a race to see who can surrender the most handouts?


5 posted on 12/18/2011 7:09:47 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Principled

We need to call this what it is. The DemocRATS are DEFUNDING SOCIAL SECURITY!


6 posted on 12/18/2011 7:11:32 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener

I think it is McConnell who caved..and Obama can kick the pipeline down the road also or kill it..


7 posted on 12/18/2011 7:15:59 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Yankee
For anyone who may have missed it.....

America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution By Angelo M. Codevilla from the July 2010 - August 2010 issue

8 posted on 12/18/2011 7:16:43 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: SubMareener
"The DemocRATS are DEFUNDING SOCIAL SECURITY!"

The DemocRATS AND RINOpubbies are DEFUNDING SOCIAL SECURITY!

FIXED!

9 posted on 12/18/2011 7:17:32 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Yankee

Maybe.
I’m afraid Boehner will let the media whale away at the “mean-spirited Tea Party radicals” for insisting on their version of payroll tax relief and then pass the Senate bill with Dem /RINO votes after the “Tea Party” has suffered plenty of bad, slanted publicity.

If so he’s scum.

But, to be fair, if he doesn’t behave that way he deserves credit.


10 posted on 12/18/2011 7:18:46 AM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: Yankee

RAVE BOEHNER!

The 2 month bill was designed so that Dems could hammer ‘evil Republicans want to rise middle case taxes’ for the next two months.

The two month bill was awful. Rewrite it, send it back to the Senate and let the Dems NOT vote for it!


11 posted on 12/18/2011 7:19:12 AM PST by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Yankee

The first question I ask anyone running for congress is: Will you vote for Boehner for Speaker? If the answer is Yes, they won’t get my vote in a primary.


12 posted on 12/18/2011 7:19:35 AM PST by anoldafvet
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To: Yankee

Taxes, shmaxes..

When I look at my check stub, and I see what is taken out:
16% Income tax;
4% Social Security tax; and
1.5% Medicare tax.

Everyone pretends like these are separate funds.
The FedGuv treats it all the same,
and it is certainly all the same (20%) to me.

Hey, maybe they’ll lower my Income tax 2%
and raise my Social Security Tax 2%.
Somehow, I should feel better about that, right?


13 posted on 12/18/2011 7:20:29 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Steamburg

This is exactly why the Republican establishment want’s Romney. We will be having this kind of b/s times two with Mitten’s in the White House.


14 posted on 12/18/2011 7:28:01 AM PST by mmanager (Reagan Revolution + Republican Revolution = Bury Obama in 2012 - Go Newt!)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Wait till they crank up the barb wires of PhonyCare. Say 75%


15 posted on 12/18/2011 7:28:41 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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To: Steamburg

Boehner took the club out of Obama’s hands and is now beating him over the head with it, and yet you complain.
There is no opportunity for your imaginary conservative dictator, to implement your heart’s desire.
Time to recognize success when it shows up, and quit whining.


16 posted on 12/18/2011 7:29:04 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: SubMareener

So true. This crazy scheme never should have gotten started. I have lived through many recessions in my life and never once did they stop witholding the SS and Medicare tax. Its nuts. You notice there is no Federal tax holiday. They are still taking the full Fed tax out of everyone’s checks.


17 posted on 12/18/2011 7:29:39 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: G Larry
Boehner took the club out of Obama’s hands and is now beating him over the head with it, and yet you complain. There is no opportunity for your imaginary conservative dictator, to implement your heart’s desire. Time to recognize success when it shows up, and quit whining.

Yep - small concessions to keep the mudfight over a shutdown out of the picture and is taking it straight to the Dims. He has had some weak moments, but appears to be on the right track for now.

18 posted on 12/18/2011 7:35:16 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: G Larry

I so hope you are right, but Boehner has so often managed to modify to mollify and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. We really don’t need to negotiate with ourselves.

We need to provide the best bill we can and get behind it hard. We own one house of congress and the purse strings. It’s time that the left understands that.

Just like our Presidential Candidate selection. Now is the time for ideas not personalities. We need to draw some lines in the sand and say, “Here’s the minimum, are you up to it? Do you have something better?”. We can wrangle over the pretty faces that are left.


19 posted on 12/18/2011 7:41:54 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Principled
“how about an “income tax” cut?”

An income tax cut doesn't help most of Obama’s base because they already don't pay income taxes.

20 posted on 12/18/2011 7:42:14 AM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: HenpeckedCon
An income tax cut doesn't help most of Obama’s base because they already don't pay income taxes.

Yes, that is indeed the point.

It nearly requires this to be pointed out.

21 posted on 12/18/2011 7:49:22 AM PST by Principled
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To: Yankee
The 2 percentage point payroll tax “holiday” for employees that was enacted last year is scheduled to expire at the end of December 2011. President Obama reportedly plans to ask Congress to renew it and to provide a similar tax cut to employers. It was unwise last year to substitute the employee tax cut for the expiring Making Work Pay Tax Credit. Extending this policy by reducing the employer Social Security contribution is even worse.

I believe it was the Zero Administration that substituted the term "Payroll Tax Cut" for "Contributions to the Social Security Trust Fund" about two years ago. The politicians have hijacked the English language - with the help of their state run media - to change the way the sheeple think of their policies.

The RAT originated and sponsored Socialism Security, Medicare, and Medicaid desperately need to be overhauled, but cutting the "contributions" is not the way to start. A two month extension will do NOTHING to stimulate jobs, absolutely NOTHING.

So now we have Zero and his state run media telling us this.......If Congress doesn't act, your taxes will go up. Find out how much more you'll pay. Personally in the war of words I find a huge difference between contributing to my Social Security Trust Fund and allowing the Fed Govt to take more taxes out of my pocket at the point of a gun.
22 posted on 12/18/2011 8:06:04 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: mewzilla

Give a copy to all your friends for Xmas. Send it to Ipad?


23 posted on 12/18/2011 8:06:23 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Repeal The 17th

Mitchy and bonehead quietly stashed NEW taTaxes in the bill on all real estate transactions!

How many other taxes increases were quietly
Snuck in?

They financed Obamacare TOO !

These two lobbyist stooges are disaster and will lose the House at this rate!


24 posted on 12/18/2011 8:09:39 AM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: Repeal The 17th
The FedGuv treats it all the same,...

That may be, but it makes a world of difference politically. The 'rats created SS, over the years refer to it as your nest egg, sends you letters showing how much you've accumulated, during campaigns calls it things like "locked box", and pummels republicans on it. It's time to call out this "payroll tax cut" for what it is - a 'rat-created disaster designed to fail and go bankrupt so that they could roll out more totalitarian-socialist solutions that helps them retain power.

25 posted on 12/18/2011 8:41:10 AM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy our votes")
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THEY ARE TRYING HARD NOT TO DISCUSS THE PRIMARY ISSUE.

THIS MUST BE PAID FOR.

This payroll tax cut, this time last year, was pure stimulus. Extending it is neutral stimulus-wise, but negative deficit-wise. IT MUST BE PAID FOR WITH OTHER SPENDING CUTS. That would be de-stimulative and cut Obama’s election chances.

One other thing . . . if they do not PAY FOR THIS . . . the debt ceiling that was designed for February 2013 expiration will move up. Maybe months. I do not think they have factored that in. The debt ceiling calculations presumed this thing expired properly.


26 posted on 12/18/2011 8:42:22 AM PST by Owen
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To: Repeal The 17th

Taxes are just a shell game, they’ll reduce them there, and increase them over there.


27 posted on 12/18/2011 8:42:22 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Yankee

This is an unjust tax cut. It has Obama’s name on it. People who live on Social Security or invested retirement funds will get no tax cut, even though most retired people have suffered large cuts in income. Only those on payrolls will get it.

So, why is Boner a hero for trying to push Obama’s half of the bill and extending it? It’s nothing but more stupid Boner tricks, helping Obama get whatever he wants. Probably he’s ready to cave on putting the pipeline through, too.


28 posted on 12/18/2011 8:57:24 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cheerio

You know all taxes go into the general fund, right? And from the general fund there is not enough money to fund anything Congress has created. We are a debt based economy.


29 posted on 12/18/2011 9:37:40 AM PST by Razzz42
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To: anoldafvet

Agree, he’s a total sell out, crybaby, sissy.


30 posted on 12/18/2011 9:38:24 AM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: Principled
Instead of “payroll tax” being cut [which worsens the SS funding situation] how about an “income tax” cut?

Because the lowest 50% (in income) of taxpayers don't pay income taxes. Reducing income taxes won't benefit them at all.

For the lowest 50%, the payroll taxes (Social Security and Medicare) are the only federal taxes they pay, aside from federal excise taxes.

Now that you understand the distinction, you can easily figure out why Obama and the rest of Democrats want to reduce the payroll tax "temporarily".

But, since Social Security is already paying more benefits than it receives in payroll taxes, this makes the situation worse. So, more money must be drawn from the "general fund", which is funded by income taxes.

See above for who pays income taxes. So, reducing the payroll tax is nothing more than another form of "soak the rich".

31 posted on 12/18/2011 9:51:21 AM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Principled

“Unless ozero is intentionally trying to bankrupt us, that is.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Unless? I have never doubted it.


32 posted on 12/18/2011 10:04:59 AM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: G Larry
There is no opportunity for your imaginary conservative dictator, to implement your heart’s desire. Time to recognize success when it shows up, and quit whining.

In may seem success at the moment, but be certain, in the end, Boehner will screw conservatives. I am under no illusion that there will be the slightest move towards Liberty. He throws crumbs to placate the foolish.

Boehner is a true enemy of our Constitution. The total sum of his actions is proof that he worships at the alter of State Power.

33 posted on 12/18/2011 10:09:07 AM PST by sand88
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To: Cicero

If Obama gets his “payroll tax cut” extended for the full year, he will tell Americans that HE, the all-wonderful and benevolent one, has put more money into their pockets despite stiff resistance from the Republicans who hate the middle class but love the rich and the oil companies.

It’s pure election year politics, and will do nothing to stimulate job creation or the economy. The whole thing is designed to get votes, pure and simple.


34 posted on 12/18/2011 10:10:21 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Yankee

“This is not going to help the narrative that “Boehner caved”.”

Only because there was a big Republican Tea Party uprising in Congress. Boehner was quite happy with the deal until the uprising.


35 posted on 12/18/2011 10:16:27 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

Upon further review, you are correct.

At least it was stopped.

Limbaugh is right, conservatives have to replace the GOP establishment. It’s going to take more than one or two elections.


36 posted on 12/18/2011 10:36:48 AM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
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To: Yankee

Boehner needs to be replaced with a True Conservative. Mr. Ryan step up to the plate and be House Speaker! No payroll tax extension and no extension on unemployment benefits!!!


37 posted on 12/18/2011 11:22:53 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Yankee

“Limbaugh is right, conservatives have to replace the GOP establishment. It’s going to take more than one or two elections.”

We need to burn them out at the grassroots level. We need to watch very carefully who is taking the K Street and Wall Street payola. Why do you think many GOPers in even heavily Republican districts are not having town halls now? The answer is because they are afraid of us.


38 posted on 12/18/2011 11:40:15 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Yankee

The Senate version also gives more funding for abortion here and abroad.


39 posted on 12/18/2011 11:47:53 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Deo volente

“It’s pure election year politics, and will do nothing to stimulate job creation or the economy. The whole thing is designed to get votes, pure and simple.”

Exactly. Where the GOP is failing miserably is playing all these small ball games with Barry and letting him lead them from one “crisis” to the next. It totally lets the dims off the hook from the fact that they have no serious overall plan for the economy. No budget, trillion dollar deficits, union payoffs, etc.

We need to spotlight their refusal to govern responsibly but McConnell and Boehner are so busy tip toeing to 2012 that it never gets publicized.


40 posted on 12/18/2011 11:52:17 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Yankee

Even if the LSM weren’t in the tank for the libs, Blubbery Boner couldn’t communicate conservative truths (like Dims are DEFUNDING Soc Sec) effectively if his life depended on it.

RINOs. Sigh...


41 posted on 12/18/2011 12:03:17 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: Yankee

This is not going to help the narrative that “Boehner caved”.

It’s still early. The caving will soon come, in one form or another.


42 posted on 12/18/2011 12:09:24 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Yankee

Boehner has not caved. He is a good conservative. There is absolutely no sense in passing a bill that will just have to be done over in 2 months again and then again and again once more. These people in the senate are cracked. They all have been in office too long and have lost all sense of reality. I hope Boehner can hang in there, forget about Christmas dinner and presents and get something with a little longevity passed. I am sure he will have the votes in the House to extend the bill to one year anyway.


43 posted on 12/18/2011 12:34:25 PM PST by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: G Larry

bump


44 posted on 12/18/2011 12:37:12 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: justlurking

Yes jl, this was the point I want to make.

Switching from promoting a “payroll tax” cut to an income tax cut would bring this home to more people one would hope. Hell it may even work.


45 posted on 12/18/2011 12:47:24 PM PST by Principled
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To: RipSawyer

he he i’ve not doubted it either... seems my posts recently need to have the sarcasm tag included...

promoting an income tax cut in lieu of a “payroll tax” cut would bring focus to this idea.


46 posted on 12/18/2011 12:49:13 PM PST by Principled
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To: Razzz42
You know all taxes go into the general fund, right? And from the general fund there is not enough money to fund anything Congress has created. We are a debt based economy. I know there is no money in the Social Security Trust Fund. The point I was trying to make was that Obama started just two years ago referring to the Social Security Trust Fund as Payroll Taxes, which technically it is. Even Roosevelt argues at SCOTUS that is was a "Tax". BUT no one has referred to it as anything other than FICA Social Security Trust Fund, until now during the reign of Zero. He wants the sheeple to believe the GOP is raising their taxes. SIMPLE.
47 posted on 12/18/2011 12:58:42 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ncalburt
These two lobbyist stooges are disaster and will lose the House at this rate!

We do not have the House. What have they done since the 2010 elections except spend huge ampounts of money we don't have? The Democrats have got what they wanted every time, more spending, more deficits, more debt. I don't know if it could be worse if Pelosi was still in charge.

48 posted on 12/18/2011 1:54:28 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: G Larry; Yankee
Boehner took the club out of Obama’s hands and is now beating him over the head with it, and yet you complain.

I know. Senate Republicans caved but Boehner and House GOPers are FIGHTING. What part of this do the posters on thread not understand? They have developed such a habit of dumping on Boehner, they react in knee-jerk fashion when they see his name. Really, it's unbelievable.

These are the same folks with the same attitudes that brought us losses in the 2006 Congressional elections, and hence, the dismal situation we are in today. They aid the enemy ... in the name of "true conservatism?"

49 posted on 12/18/2011 2:10:48 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: tallyhoe
No payroll tax extension and no extension on unemployment benefits!!!

It is the payroll tax CUT that is being extended, not the payroll tax. Boehner and House Republicans (including Paul Ryan) are opposed to extending the CUT for only two months and will, tomorrow, negotiate for a one-year extension. Not that you or your "true conservative" ilk would appreciate it.

50 posted on 12/18/2011 2:17:09 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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