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but notice the DATES of one they deliberately EXCLUDED...
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	12/07 - 12/11	271 RV	  40	 23	9	8	6	3	5	Gingrich +17

Karl Rove's favorite polling-analyst organization: Real Clear Politics (of Chicago) has again demonstrated its bias in favor of Mitt Romney.

In the last few months, there have been several times when RCP has kept including some poll results within their "RCP Averages" even though the poll was older than 23 days in its entirety. Those polls always caused Romney to have a relatively better score in their RCP average, especially in comparison to whichever anti-Romney was leading at the time.

There have also been several times when RCP has retired some poll results from their "RCP Averages" when the poll was less than 14 days old. Sometimes MUCH less than 14 days old. Those removals always helped Romney have a better relative standing in their RCP average.

Today's example is glaringly repulsive. TWO POLLS taken on identical days (12/7 thru 12/11), but one showed Gingrich with a +17 point spread over Romney. And RCP chose to ELIMINATE that poll. A second poll taken on the SAME DATES, shows Gingrich with only a +12 point advantage over Romney. RCP chose to KEEP that poll.

By doing this RCP 'sleight of math', they can now report an average, and a trend chart that more closely agrees with the MSM and Karl Rove talking points, that Gingrich is falling fast and Romney is on course to take the lead.

But isn't the point of 'averaging' polls to flatten out differences between polling companies? Apparently NOT so, to the folks at RCP.

By RCP's own method of counting, both of these polls (Pew and NBC) are only 7 days old because they have previously used the end-date of a poll to determine its date of removal.

RCP's 'standard' used to be that they would only include polls if some of that polling data was within the last 14 days. If all of it was older than 14 days, it was too old, and did not qualify for the RCP average. But standards do not apparently matter if you are from Chicago, and you favor Mitt Romney.

From now thru the Iowa caucus, we are likely to experience a great amount of dishonesty in polling firms and those analysts (like Real Clear Politics) who try to spin numbers to push an outcome.

It seems 'Real Clear' that Karl Rove's and Obama's MSM have decided that Mitt Romney should be the GOP nominee.

1 posted on 12/18/2011 2:29:24 PM PST by Future Useless Eater
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To: Royal Wulff; TitansAFC; BilLies; Cobra64; Dr. Thorne; duckln; ez; Flightdeck; HiTech RedNeck; ...
The MSM's slime machine is currently targeting Newt Gingrich, because Obama is afraid of him,
(and they want Romney to win the GOP nomination).

And Obama's method of attack is to now, finally, to use the S.E.C. to 'destroy' the leaders of Freddie/Fannie (in the press)
but primarily use THAT to destroy Gingrich in the 'court of public opinion' for his connection to them.

It has been YEARS that Freddie/Fannie have been known to be corrupt.
And Gingrich was pointing out HOW CORRUPT they were, even in 2008.

Here is a transcript of Newt saying on CSPAN, how horrible Freddie and Fannie were managed
and they should be dismantled...

"Governing & Political Change" held in St. Paul Minnesota, September 3, 2008
Bachmann: The question is on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the outrage and will it go private?
or where are Fannie Mae and Feddie Mac going to go?

Gingrich: Well, I think this is one of the great tests of reform- 
of a populist reform conservatism. 

There is ZERO reasons to bail out these two institutions.

They have violated the fundamental principle of why they were created.

And I did a fair amount of-...  Let me be right up front... 
I did a fair amount of work with Freddie Mac, looking at it, consulting it,
but not at a fiduciary level, but at a general public policy level.

I am appalled at the degree of management irresponsibility 
that both places have had, and I think they should be treated 
precisely like a private sector institution, 

And the stockholders, and the senior management should fundamentally 
have to bear the brunt...
I don't think you want to let them go broke, because they're enormous, 
and that has a BIG second and third order consequence on the system. 

But I think what you want to say, is as a consequence of their survival, 
they should be broken up, they should go thru the equivalent of a receivership, 
and everybody who was profiting from them should pay the cost of having failed. 

And the general taxpayer should NOT bear that burden. 
and I think that could be handled totally different.

But there is ZERO reason, now that they've failed... 
I was perfectly happy to to not PUSH the issue, as long as they weren't failing, 
but NOW that they've clearly failed their fiduciary responsibility, 
there is zero reason for the average taxpayer to bail out these institutions.

And their senior managements have been DISGRACEFUL in the mismanagement, 
particularly I think,  of Fannie Mae which had huge, huge, internal problems 
in terms of accounting, in a way you can't quite understand,,, 

How could people run an institution THAT badly? 

thanks to Royal Wulff for the pointer to that historical video clip
2 posted on 12/18/2011 2:31:29 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: Future Useless Eater

The country clubbers have closed ranks around Mittens. No surprise there.

3 posted on 12/18/2011 2:38:23 PM PST by RC one (I will not vote for the gun grabbing, draft dodging, pro-choice, so called Republican Mitt Romney.)
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To: Future Useless Eater
Don't know about a 14 day average or if they get dropped and only use the most current four polls. But look down the page and there are polls going back to Nov. 2010. Tue they only used one of the three polls with a beginning date of 12/7.

Here's a few:

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample Gingrich Romney Paul Bachmann Perry Santorum Huntsman Cain Spread
RCP Average 12/7 - 12/17 -- 30.5 22.5 9.8 8.0 7.0 3.5 3.0 -- Gingrich +8.0
Gallup Tracking 12/12 - 12/17 1000 RV 28 24 10 7 6 4 2 -- Gingrich +4
Reuters/Ipsos 12/8 - 12/12 443 RV 28 18 12 10 12 4 5 -- Gingrich +10
Associated Press/GfK 12/8 - 12/12 460 A 33 27 9 9 6 3 2 -- Gingrich +6
Pew Research 12/7 - 12/11 504 RV 33 21 8 6 4 3 3 -- Gingrich +12
Gallup 12/7 - 12/11 1000 LV 33 23 8 6 6 3 2 -- Gingrich +10
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 12/7 - 12/11 271 RV 40 23 9 8 6 3 5 -- Gingrich +17
FOX News 12/5 - 12/7 356 RV 36 23 12 5 8 4 2 -- Gingrich +13
Rasmussen Reports 11/30 - 11/30 1000 LV 38 17 8 4 4 4 3 8 Gingrich +21
CNN/Opinion Research 11/18 - 11/20 402 A 24 20 9 5 11 4 3 17 Gingrich +4
Quinnipiac 11/14 - 11/20 1039 RV 26 22 6 4 6 2 2 14 Gingrich +4
USA Today/Gallup 11/13 - 11/17 946 RV 22 21 9 4 8 1 1 16 Gingrich +1

5 posted on 12/18/2011 2:41:44 PM PST by deport
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To: Future Useless Eater

maybe the ridiculously small sample size made it suspect.

8 posted on 12/18/2011 2:59:52 PM PST by babble-on
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To: Future Useless Eater

Good! Romney’s the man!

9 posted on 12/18/2011 3:06:51 PM PST by Lady on the Lake
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To: Future Useless Eater
Please tell me this post is a joke.

If you hit the scroll button, say, 2 or 3 times, the entire list is displayed under the graph. The poll you claim has been excluded is shown right where it should be. The averages for Gingrich and Romney in the headline are exactly the same as their averages in the second listing.

RCP did not eliminate -- repeat: did not eliminate -- the poll you mentioned. RCP clearly shows an 8 point lead for Gingrich. Tell me, what possible reason would they have to exclude a poll showing a lead for Gingrich, but still show the average of all the polls as a, um, lead for Gingrich?

You are descending into the fever swamps that almost devoured the Palin supporters before she withdrew. To paraphrase an old favorite: You're lookin' for hate in all the wrong places.

12 posted on 12/18/2011 3:47:32 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Future Useless Eater

RealClearPolitics is a GOP establishment organ.
Naturally that thing is going to cover for and push Romney.

27 posted on 12/19/2011 1:32:28 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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