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Carolina Panthers’ Jeremy Shockey Slams Houston Texans Players for Poor National Anthem Etiquette
The Blaze/AP ^ | 12/19/11 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 12/19/2011 4:30:08 AM PST by nhwingut

HOUSTON (The Blaze/AP) — Carolina Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey criticized members of the Houston Texans for not putting their hands over their hearts during the national anthem, calling their inaction “kind of offensive.”

Shockey says he saw “about 10 players” who didn’t do the traditional gesture when the anthem is played, and he told some of them how he felt during Carolina’s 28-13 victory.

“I was pretty upset in the way they weren’t showing respect to America during the national anthem,” Shockey said. “This is America and you should at least give respect to America.”

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: nationalanthem; nfl; panthers; shockey

1 posted on 12/19/2011 4:30:21 AM PST by nhwingut
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To: nhwingut
I am impressed with Shockey. Congrads
2 posted on 12/19/2011 4:33:54 AM PST by scooby321
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To: nhwingut

That offends me to no end! Finally, somebody on the field having the guts to stand up and say something.......Good for you Jeremy!


3 posted on 12/19/2011 4:34:34 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: nhwingut

When I was in high school, I was selected to attend Boys’ State, which was put on by the American Legion. They taught us that for the Pledge of Allegiance, putting the hand over the heart was customary, but for the national anthem, standing at rapt attention was perfectly acceptable. There are others out there on the Internet who say similar things. It would appear that this is something that has changed over time and is a source of confusion. I think much worse of someone not standing or not taking off his hat than I do about someone not holding their hand over their heart.


4 posted on 12/19/2011 4:49:47 AM PST by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: nhwingut

Shockey is one crazy mof*, but he’s got this one right. Kinda surprised actually, pleasantly.


5 posted on 12/19/2011 4:50:11 AM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: RightFighter
They taught us that for the Pledge of Allegiance, putting the hand over the heart was customary, but for the national anthem, standing at rapt attention was perfectly acceptable.

Exactly. Many of us were taught to salute when wearing a uniform, but when out of uniform, to pay respect by standing and removing any head cover. This is not disrespect and nobody should get bent out shape.

6 posted on 12/19/2011 5:02:27 AM PST by tentmaker
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To: nhwingut

What a non-story. It’s not like they were horsing around. They probably used Obama as their pledge role model.


7 posted on 12/19/2011 5:03:47 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: nhwingut

I hope everyone who comments here takes the time to view the video. Note the Carolina bench.


8 posted on 12/19/2011 5:10:17 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: nhwingut; All

I teach in a school district that is 80% minority. Almost everyone of them gets a free breakfast and lunch. Yet, each morning when we say the “Pledge of Allegiance” they NEVER put their hand over their heart and NEVER say the pledges to the U.S. and Texas Flags; the two government entities that just fed their lazy a**. I’ve raised hell about it to no avail.


9 posted on 12/19/2011 5:21:00 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: no dems
I also taught at a minority school in the Dallas ISD and experienced the same behavior. I never missed an opportunity to remind them off their privileged existence and the men in uniform who made it possible. My school was 70% latino and 28% black. You can draw your own conclusions!!!
10 posted on 12/19/2011 5:34:29 AM PST by ontap
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To: scooby321

Too some football players he game is not bout patriotism, it’s bout them.


11 posted on 12/19/2011 5:35:39 AM PST by chainsaw (Sarah Palin is still my first choice to save the USA. . .)
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To: Clara Lou

What video I can’t find it!


12 posted on 12/19/2011 5:38:41 AM PST by ontap
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To: tentmaker

The AF teaches this:

In military uniform, outdoors - salute, indoors - stand at attention.

Out of uniform, indoors or out - remove head cover, hand over heart.

There might be some different traditions, since I was briefed at an Army post that during retreat we were expected to stop the car, get out and render proper courtesies while on AF bases we stop and sit at attention in the vehicle. (If you’re in you stay in, if you’re out, stay out.) Maybe this is different as well.


13 posted on 12/19/2011 5:40:16 AM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: ontap

There’s a video link at www.chron.com (The Houston Chronicle).


14 posted on 12/19/2011 5:46:01 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Gil4
I was briefed at an Army post that during retreat we were expected to stop the car, get out and render proper courtesies
while on AF bases we stop and sit at attention

Parris Island was 45 years ago, so IIRC ... when in a car you're considered outdoors so you wear your cover (hat) in the car.
However, you do not render a salute for colors, you merely sit at attention.
15 posted on 12/19/2011 5:50:30 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ontap
Direct link to video.
16 posted on 12/19/2011 5:50:59 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: nhwingut
I spent the entirety of my youth as a military dependent living on military installations, from the 1950s through the early 1970s, and we knew the protocol for the playing of the Anthem. Placing the hand over the heart was never part of the protocol. I don't know where this came from, but the placing of the hand over the heart is meant to symbolize fidelity, which is why it's used for the Pledge of Allegiance.

What gets my goat with the Anthem as it's rendered at sporting events nowadays is the singing of it either as a pop-rock piece, or a funeral dirge, with the athletes bowing their heads as if in prayer. None of those things, to my mind, are in keeping with the spirit of the Anthem.

17 posted on 12/19/2011 5:53:37 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: no dems
How much support do you get from the Marixst administration and Marxist teachers? Zero?

My brother taught for a few years in an Eastern inner city socialist high school. He report the same. His classroom was the only classroom in the school with an American flag.

18 posted on 12/19/2011 6:01:41 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: RightFighter

I agree. Maybe it’s an generational thing (I’m 63), but I learned as you did. I still don’t put my hand on my heart for the National Anthem. However, I can’t remember what we were taught was the proper etiquette for when the flag, being carried, passed in front of you. I know standing was mandatory, and doffing of hats of course, but hand over heart? Anyone know?


19 posted on 12/19/2011 6:10:43 AM PST by PA BOOKENDS
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

As a civilian, I was taught to place my hand over my heart for the Pledge, but to stand at attention with my hat off for the Anthem. As far as I know, there has never been any protocol requiring that one place his hand over his heart during the Anthem.
Further, I was taught not to applaud at the conclusion of the Anthem.
It’s was not about the performer, at least in those (better) days.


20 posted on 12/19/2011 6:13:36 AM PST by BIV (typical white person)
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To: Gil4

What’s neat is the change to flag protocol that now allows soldiers in civilian clothes and veterans to render the hand salute (present arms) to the colors during retreat.

To hear “retreat” played over the post PA system and to then stop my car, get out, and upon hearing “to the colors” come to present arms is an honor I will always cherish.


21 posted on 12/19/2011 6:17:25 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: nhwingut

Kudos to Mr. Shockey!


22 posted on 12/19/2011 6:18:24 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: BIV
"Further, I was taught not to applaud at the conclusion of the Anthem."

Same here ... but I do have one problem with the National Anthem. When it's over, I still have to resist shouting "Beat Army" ...

23 posted on 12/19/2011 6:18:41 AM PST by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: BIV

Color us ultra patriotic but Mrs Clamper and I stand at attention hand over heart in our living room if the anthem is played on a TV game.


24 posted on 12/19/2011 6:21:27 AM PST by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: BIV
As far as I know, there has never been any protocol requiring that one place his hand over his heart during the Anthem.

Somehow, I think, it's become confused with the Pledge. Both involve the flag. And I think it's true that people become inured to traditions to the point where they don't know when, where and how the traditions originated, or why they're observed.

25 posted on 12/19/2011 6:22:29 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Clara Lou

I couldn’t tell anything from that video.


26 posted on 12/19/2011 6:23:21 AM PST by ontap
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To: nhwingut
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27 posted on 12/19/2011 6:58:20 AM PST by BubbaJunebug
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To: nhwingut
As if I needed another reason to love Shockey!!! One of my best memories of Shockey is during the Saints Super Bowl win. Shockey looked at the Saints players and tapped the side of his temple as if to say "play smart guys"...never forgot that! He was as responsible for the win as anyone. I have loved that guy ever since! He is a great addition to the Panthers and a great ball player!!!
I am glad the Panthers picked him up! Being in SC I didn't get to see the Saints play very often and I missed seeing Shockey play!
28 posted on 12/19/2011 7:56:37 AM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: clamper1797

Thats just a bit OTT.


29 posted on 12/19/2011 8:12:08 AM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: nhwingut; scooby321; Hot Tabasco; Paradox; chainsaw; pgkdan; 4everontheRight

‘Jeremy Shockey accuses Texans of disrespecting America during National Anthem, proves he’s still an idiot’

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‘Shockey’s charge came so far out of left field that it could barely fit into Reliant, even on a day when the roof was closed. Reporters aren’t typically watching players during the National Anthem so it’s hard to say that he is completely wrong. But players in many pro sports are often swaying on their feet in place during the National Anthem, anticipating the game.

Many other players just stand there silently, what they probably think is respectfully, with their hands at their sides or clasped behind their back.

As long as everyone is standing for the song, no one keeps score of who is holding their arm across their chest.

Except apparently Jeremy Shockey. Forget being a tight end who has often failed to live up to the potential that made him the 14th overall pick in the 2002 NFL Draft. Shockey is the head of the American Patriot Police. Self anointed.

He obviously wasn’t in Reliant for the Sept. 11 opener when the Texans put on a moving, flag-filled pregame ceremony that involved several players. DeMeco Ryans lead the Texans out onto the field, waving a gigantic American flag that day.

It’s absurd to call Houston’s NFL franchise unpatriotic. On the very day that Shockey made his charges, the Texans surprised the widow of a Marine with a halftime presentation that let her know she’d be receiving a new mortgage-free, custom-built home through Operation FINALLY HOME. Sara Wood and her 5-year-old son Landon will be moving into the new house.

Wood’s husband, Marine staff sergeant Scott Wood, was killed in the line of duty.

Shockey wasn’t interested in that though. Instead, he says he saw disrespect from the Texans toward the country that he loves.

Whether Shockey was really mad about the National Anthem or the crushing hit Ryans delivered to him, separating him from the football on one memorable play, is a matter for debate. For Shockey made sure to point out that he also beat Ryans on a touchdown catch, while pretending not to know the linebacker’s name.

“It was simple play,” Shockey said of the touchdown, “And I guess, what his name — Ryans, DeMarco Ryans, what’s his name? — DeMeco Ryans couldn’t make a play and it was an easy touchdown.”

Hey, no one’s ever employed Jeremy Shockey for his brain.’

http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/12-18-11-jeremy-shockey-accuses-texans-of-disrespecting-america-during-national-anthem-proves-hes-an-idiot/


30 posted on 12/19/2011 8:22:16 AM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: Sans-Culotte
It’s not like they were horsing around.

You're right. Most players are staring towards the ground, shuffling their feet, chewing and spitting.

31 posted on 12/19/2011 8:26:39 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Clara Lou
I hope everyone who comments here takes the time to view the video.

I went to the link, read the article and saw no video....where is it?

32 posted on 12/19/2011 10:43:49 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I provided a link further down. The video really doesn’t show what I thought it did, though. If you haven’t already, don’t bother.


33 posted on 12/19/2011 4:55:42 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: nhwingut
They were just emulating their President...


34 posted on 12/19/2011 4:58:17 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Clara Lou

OK, thanks


35 posted on 12/19/2011 5:15:56 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: Clara Lou
I hope everyone who comments here takes the time to view the video. Note the Carolina bench.

THANK YOU!

Shockey is punk and an attention whore! That is all he has been and all he ever will be!

But you knew the Texas haters on FR would be all over this thread!
36 posted on 12/21/2011 6:10:31 AM PST by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: TexanByBirth

Here’s my issue: Several posting on this thread just took Shockley’s comments at face value— accepted what he said and praised him. Really?? Shockley said it so it’s true? Imagine them voting in the next presidential election.


37 posted on 12/21/2011 6:26:47 AM PST by Clara Lou
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