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Farewell, plastic bags? You’ll have a lot of company
Seattle PI ^ | 12/18/11 | Vanessa Ho

Posted on 12/19/2011 8:43:54 AM PST by freespirited

With the Seattle City Council expected to vote on a plastic bag ban Monday, is it time to bid farewell to something Seattleites use 292 million of a year?

The bill would banish single-use, carryout bags in not just grocery stores, but department stores, clothing stores, liquor stores, drug stores and home improvement stores.

Customers would be able to buy paper bags from retailers for 5 cents each. Customers on food assistance would be exempted from that charge.

With seven of nine council members sponsoring the bill – and support from environmental and grocery-store groups – the future doesn’t look too bright for plastic.

But bags would have a lot of company in a big graveyard of things once common in Seattle, and now legislated out of existence. Were these the good old days? Or a sign of how far we’ve come?

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But bags would have a lot of company in a big graveyard of things once common in Seattle, and now legislated out of existence. Were these the good old days? Or a sign of how far we’ve come?

A sign of how far gone you are.

1 posted on 12/19/2011 8:43:59 AM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited

Seems like every week a story comes out of Seattle to discourage me from ever thinking of moving there.


2 posted on 12/19/2011 8:46:47 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: freespirited

I’ve been shopping at Trader Joe’s a lot and they use only paper bags. I have a huge stack of paper bags because there aren’t that many ways to re-use them. Not so for plastic. We use those for all kinds of things around the house, backyard, and I always keep a few in the car for trash. The paper bags are too bulky.


3 posted on 12/19/2011 8:46:59 AM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: freespirited

Anyone else see a market in people on “food assistance” getting bags for free, and selling them for 3 cents?


4 posted on 12/19/2011 8:47:58 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: freespirited

IMO, this is just more of “Death of the West” type stuff.

We are destroying ourselves from within.

What gets me, is how many have bought into this utter nonsense. You can’t listen to the television for an hour without hearing the terms “earth friendly”, “environmentally friendly”, “green”,...

There’s a sickness in the land, and it has it’s roots in the church of hyper ecological paranoia.


5 posted on 12/19/2011 8:49:48 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: freespirited
Customers would be able to buy paper bags from retailers for 5 cents each.
Five cents a bag - such a deal! But what about the TREES???

Customers on food assistance would be exempted from that charge.
Oh, for sure, that goes w/o saying. They don't pay for a damned thing anyway.
6 posted on 12/19/2011 8:52:52 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: DoughtyOne

I “love” the F-150 with “Eco-Boost”.

I swear to God, if some salesman tried to sell me a pick up truck with “Eco-Boost”, I’d laugh and mock him out of the lot...


7 posted on 12/19/2011 8:56:14 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: freespirited

About 3/4 of the plastic bags we get, go back to the stores in their bag recycle bin at the front door. The other 1/4 become garbage bags lining every trash can in the house, bags to haul all kinds of stuff around, dog crap pickup bags, covers to protect the work bench and furniture when doing projects, and many other uses.

Looks like it may be time to start hoarding them for the time the enviro-Nazis enter our stores.


8 posted on 12/19/2011 8:56:14 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: oh8eleven
Five cents a bag - such a deal! But what about the TREES???

Ezzzackly what I was thinking....
guess they need an Occupy protest to show them the error of their ways ("You're killing the trees for corporate greed!!!") and they'll shut up about the plastic bags....LOL
9 posted on 12/19/2011 8:57:03 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: oh8eleven
Customers on food assistance would be exempted from that charge
Ironic, since if you look at any impoverished area compared to an affluent area the former will be much trashier.
10 posted on 12/19/2011 8:58:45 AM PST by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: chris37

The sad thing is, the 3.5L Ecoboost is a hell of an engine. 365 horsepower out of a 3.5L V6? The gas mileage of a V6 with the power and torque of a V8? I’d be all over it if I could afford a new F150 (or Flex). It’s just saddled with a stupid name.

}:-)4


11 posted on 12/19/2011 9:01:00 AM PST by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: freespirited

I actually like the paperbags with handles better. They are stronger and easier to carry. I am not against getting rid of plastic bags but I don’t like those cloth bags at all.


12 posted on 12/19/2011 9:01:34 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: freespirited

“Save a Tree....or... Choke a Fish! Environmental WACKOS!


13 posted on 12/19/2011 9:02:20 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: chris37

WTH is Eco-boost? LOL


14 posted on 12/19/2011 9:03:54 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: freespirited
Next thing they'll be a coming fer our Red Solo Cups, bunch a commies in Seattle fer sure.

15 posted on 12/19/2011 9:04:44 AM PST by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Moose4

Stupid name kills it, I mean, I don’t care if it teleports.

Eco-Boost is just utterly obnoxious.


16 posted on 12/19/2011 9:05:42 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: gimme1ibertee
guess they need an Occupy protest
The absolute idiocy of the Left knows no bounds.
The OWS scum are just the latest on a long list of losers who should be swept up and dumped onto the ash heap of history.
17 posted on 12/19/2011 9:06:29 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: DoughtyOne
There’s a sickness in the land, and it has it’s roots in the church of hyper ecological paranoia. - Yes that is true, however don't forget the Follow the Money......that is the real 'green'......
18 posted on 12/19/2011 9:08:15 AM PST by yoe
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To: DoughtyOne

It is democrat tom foolery!

You can buy your giant pick up and still know you’re helping the environment ><;

And they even have a dude with a deep announcer voice describing Eco-Boost in the commercial, so that we men can rest assured that Eco-Boost is, in fact, manly.


19 posted on 12/19/2011 9:08:41 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: napscoordinator
I don’t like those cloth bags at all.
Bacteria breeders unless washed like clothes.
20 posted on 12/19/2011 9:10:08 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: yoe

As in carbon credits...


21 posted on 12/19/2011 9:10:53 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: ChocChipCookie; freespirited
The overall result of this will be the negative public health consequences from unsanitary reused bags, higher food costs and more loose trash in the precious "environment", effectively a lower standard of living.

I use or recycle all plastic and paper bags for trash and litter control.

I haven't thrown away a bag or box for more than a decade, and very little before that. The one item I still have trouble with is Styrofoam.

22 posted on 12/19/2011 9:10:57 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: gimme1ibertee
A long long time ago I was engaged int he argument against plastic bags because they have such a long non biodegradable life and would impede the natural transition of land fills.

I was asked what I had against trees. I said trees were renewable (this was 30 + years ago)and that it might be worth considering restricting shopping bag fabrication to either recycle or fast growing tree materials.

I was called an idiot and a hater of the environment. It's 30 years hence and I am still working for dirty water, dirty air and maybe even to starve some kids in my spare time.

23 posted on 12/19/2011 9:10:57 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: freespirited; All
Again, just so FReepers are mindful of historic facts here, at the Third Council of the church of Environmental worship the environazis decreed that using paper grocery bags was a high crime because of the vast deforestation required to produce such paper bags. At the time of this Third Council the environazis determined that they should force people to use plastic bags. It was the order of their church that all must use plastic bags.

Now, apparently, the Third Council of all things environmental has deemed that in fact they were wrong that paper bags are good (at the right price) and that plastic bags are evil.

These are the same people who hold that we all should use one square of toilet paper per incident or we are in violation of their commandments.

24 posted on 12/19/2011 9:11:04 AM PST by Obadiah (If U don't believe you can win, then there is no point in getting out of bed at the end of the day.)
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To: chris37

Sounds like the Eco-Boost man should meet the Marlboro man in short order...


25 posted on 12/19/2011 9:12:16 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: freespirited

Cannot pick up your dog’s droppings with a paper bag. It just isn’t flexible enough.

Next they will be complaining about the proliferation of dog doo-doo.


26 posted on 12/19/2011 9:15:39 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Baynative

I am under the impression that the current plastic bags are designed to disolve within a certain amount of time. They have cornstarch in them, I think.


27 posted on 12/19/2011 9:20:06 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles; Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; ...
WA Ping

"Cannot pick up your dog’s droppings with a paper bag."
28 posted on 12/19/2011 9:20:25 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: ridesthemiles
That would be a smart idea.

I worked for a corporation that used large volumes of giant plastic bags as thick as water bed mattresses. The local politicians decided that the landfill was being degraded and they decided to fine the companies that were dumping industrial plastic. Our CFO asked how much the fine was compared to what we would spend trying to recycle the stuff. In the end he said, "Pay the fine."

The bottom line is the bottom line. Because so many people in government have no idea how business works, they run head long into making rules that often do no good for anyone.

29 posted on 12/19/2011 9:25:16 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: chris37

2011– Ford F-150

365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 420 lb·ft (569 N·m) @2500 rpm, 90% torque @1700-5000 rpm

You could always buy one, rip off the offending “Eco-Boost” badge and put your own “Belch-Fire 5000” and “I’m a MACHO man” stickers on it. ;-)


30 posted on 12/19/2011 9:28:26 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Baynative

And I think modern plastic bags don’t even have that problem. I’m pretty sure they’re biodegrabable now. And they are made with an absolute minimum of material, unlike a paper bag which is quite bulky. I’d almost be willing to be that if you looked at the total environmental impact of a plastic versus paper bag, plastic would win.


31 posted on 12/19/2011 9:30:02 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Baynative

“Cannot pick up your dog’s droppings with a paper bag.”

But you could paint the green and sell them as Eco-Friendly Paperweights! /sarc


32 posted on 12/19/2011 9:31:39 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: BwanaNdege

Heh :D

The thing is, by using that name, they are trying to market the fire belcher to democrats, but we all know democrats buy SMRT cars, because they are SMRT, it even says so in the name of the “car”.


33 posted on 12/19/2011 9:31:43 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Correction!

ORGANIC Eco-Friendly Paperweights


34 posted on 12/19/2011 9:32:39 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: freespirited

The headline reminded me of the Dom Deloise ad where he is singing “Sealed with a Kiss” to Baggies or some similar plastic food storage bag/wrap.


35 posted on 12/19/2011 9:34:48 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: BwanaNdege
I'm on a roll here, folks!

Biodegradable, Carbon-Neutral, Organic, Eco-Friendly Paperweights. AND, They Are GREEN!

36 posted on 12/19/2011 9:35:02 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: freespirited

So the Seattle politicians have investments in either paper bag manufacturing companies, or the cloth bag manufacturers.


37 posted on 12/19/2011 9:35:06 AM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

You mean this one for Ziploc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMoT4QJZQc


38 posted on 12/19/2011 9:35:59 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Yeah, doc, that’s the one. Thanks!


39 posted on 12/19/2011 9:36:45 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

No prob. By the way. It is spelled “DeLuise”.


40 posted on 12/19/2011 9:37:46 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

send them to meeeeee. Two paper bags are all the firestarter I need for my woodstove. I always ask for paper!


41 posted on 12/19/2011 9:39:41 AM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: freespirited

Well this will sure encourage shopping in seattle.....not!


42 posted on 12/19/2011 9:40:45 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Yardstick
"I’m pretty sure they’re biodegradable now."

So, I see. Of, course the trouble is in getting people to buy them.

43 posted on 12/19/2011 9:42:31 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: DoughtyOne

” Sounds like the Eco-Boost man should meet the Marlboro man in short order...”

Is this gonna be a sequel to Brokeback Mountain?


44 posted on 12/19/2011 9:44:12 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: oh8eleven

I suppose we can use duffle bags or our pillow cases. ;-)


45 posted on 12/19/2011 9:46:35 AM PST by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s the unfortunate name for one of Ford’s new top of the line engines. A 3.5-liter twin-turbo V6 good for 365 horsepower and 420 pounds-feet of torque. It’s an option in top-end F150 pickups, Flex SUVs, and the Taurus SHO sports sedan.

Basically, it gives the power and grunt of Ford’s big truck V8s but the gas mileage of a V6. It’s one hell of a piece of technology and I’ve yet to hear a bad review of one. Unfortunately, Ford stuck it with an “Eco” name.

While I give Ford huge credit for not taking the government cheese the way that GM and Chrysler did, and while they’re probably making the best products of any domestic carmaker right now, their marketing department still pushes the greenie-weenie agenda as hard as anyone. If you go to Ford’s website they really push all the hybrid versions of their cars in your face and talk about how “green” their stuff all is, instead of how well they’re built or how fast they go (or just how good their gas mileage is, etc.).

}:-)4


46 posted on 12/19/2011 9:48:46 AM PST by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: DuncanWaring

“Anyone else see a market in people on “food assistance” getting bags for free, and selling them for 3 cents?”

you kidding...that would be work


47 posted on 12/19/2011 9:49:29 AM PST by BubbaJunebug
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To: Baynative

Well, after some googling it turns out that the typical single-use plastic grocery bag, like one you’d get at Walmart, isn’t biodegradable. However they are photodegradable. That’s not good enough for the enviros, though.


48 posted on 12/19/2011 9:58:50 AM PST by Yardstick
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photodegradable...?

Sounds like something that might have helped congressman WEENner.

49 posted on 12/19/2011 10:12:49 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Baynative

Next big thing? Selling plastic bags


50 posted on 12/19/2011 10:14:51 AM PST by dila813
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