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Farewell, plastic bags? You’ll have a lot of company
Seattle PI ^ | 12/18/11 | Vanessa Ho

Posted on 12/19/2011 8:43:54 AM PST by freespirited

With the Seattle City Council expected to vote on a plastic bag ban Monday, is it time to bid farewell to something Seattleites use 292 million of a year?

The bill would banish single-use, carryout bags in not just grocery stores, but department stores, clothing stores, liquor stores, drug stores and home improvement stores.

Customers would be able to buy paper bags from retailers for 5 cents each. Customers on food assistance would be exempted from that charge.

With seven of nine council members sponsoring the bill – and support from environmental and grocery-store groups – the future doesn’t look too bright for plastic.

But bags would have a lot of company in a big graveyard of things once common in Seattle, and now legislated out of existence. Were these the good old days? Or a sign of how far we’ve come?

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.seattlepi.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: envirowackos; plasticbags; seattle
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To: yoe

As in carbon credits...


21 posted on 12/19/2011 9:10:53 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: ChocChipCookie; freespirited
The overall result of this will be the negative public health consequences from unsanitary reused bags, higher food costs and more loose trash in the precious "environment", effectively a lower standard of living.

I use or recycle all plastic and paper bags for trash and litter control.

I haven't thrown away a bag or box for more than a decade, and very little before that. The one item I still have trouble with is Styrofoam.

22 posted on 12/19/2011 9:10:57 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: gimme1ibertee
A long long time ago I was engaged int he argument against plastic bags because they have such a long non biodegradable life and would impede the natural transition of land fills.

I was asked what I had against trees. I said trees were renewable (this was 30 + years ago)and that it might be worth considering restricting shopping bag fabrication to either recycle or fast growing tree materials.

I was called an idiot and a hater of the environment. It's 30 years hence and I am still working for dirty water, dirty air and maybe even to starve some kids in my spare time.

23 posted on 12/19/2011 9:10:57 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: freespirited; All
Again, just so FReepers are mindful of historic facts here, at the Third Council of the church of Environmental worship the environazis decreed that using paper grocery bags was a high crime because of the vast deforestation required to produce such paper bags. At the time of this Third Council the environazis determined that they should force people to use plastic bags. It was the order of their church that all must use plastic bags.

Now, apparently, the Third Council of all things environmental has deemed that in fact they were wrong that paper bags are good (at the right price) and that plastic bags are evil.

These are the same people who hold that we all should use one square of toilet paper per incident or we are in violation of their commandments.

24 posted on 12/19/2011 9:11:04 AM PST by Obadiah (If U don't believe you can win, then there is no point in getting out of bed at the end of the day.)
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To: chris37

Sounds like the Eco-Boost man should meet the Marlboro man in short order...


25 posted on 12/19/2011 9:12:16 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: freespirited

Cannot pick up your dog’s droppings with a paper bag. It just isn’t flexible enough.

Next they will be complaining about the proliferation of dog doo-doo.


26 posted on 12/19/2011 9:15:39 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Baynative

I am under the impression that the current plastic bags are designed to disolve within a certain amount of time. They have cornstarch in them, I think.


27 posted on 12/19/2011 9:20:06 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles; Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; ...
WA Ping

"Cannot pick up your dog’s droppings with a paper bag."
28 posted on 12/19/2011 9:20:25 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: ridesthemiles
That would be a smart idea.

I worked for a corporation that used large volumes of giant plastic bags as thick as water bed mattresses. The local politicians decided that the landfill was being degraded and they decided to fine the companies that were dumping industrial plastic. Our CFO asked how much the fine was compared to what we would spend trying to recycle the stuff. In the end he said, "Pay the fine."

The bottom line is the bottom line. Because so many people in government have no idea how business works, they run head long into making rules that often do no good for anyone.

29 posted on 12/19/2011 9:25:16 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: chris37

2011– Ford F-150

365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 420 lb·ft (569 N·m) @2500 rpm, 90% torque @1700-5000 rpm

You could always buy one, rip off the offending “Eco-Boost” badge and put your own “Belch-Fire 5000” and “I’m a MACHO man” stickers on it. ;-)


30 posted on 12/19/2011 9:28:26 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Baynative

And I think modern plastic bags don’t even have that problem. I’m pretty sure they’re biodegrabable now. And they are made with an absolute minimum of material, unlike a paper bag which is quite bulky. I’d almost be willing to be that if you looked at the total environmental impact of a plastic versus paper bag, plastic would win.


31 posted on 12/19/2011 9:30:02 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Baynative

“Cannot pick up your dog’s droppings with a paper bag.”

But you could paint the green and sell them as Eco-Friendly Paperweights! /sarc


32 posted on 12/19/2011 9:31:39 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: BwanaNdege

Heh :D

The thing is, by using that name, they are trying to market the fire belcher to democrats, but we all know democrats buy SMRT cars, because they are SMRT, it even says so in the name of the “car”.


33 posted on 12/19/2011 9:31:43 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Correction!

ORGANIC Eco-Friendly Paperweights


34 posted on 12/19/2011 9:32:39 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: freespirited

The headline reminded me of the Dom Deloise ad where he is singing “Sealed with a Kiss” to Baggies or some similar plastic food storage bag/wrap.


35 posted on 12/19/2011 9:34:48 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: BwanaNdege
I'm on a roll here, folks!

Biodegradable, Carbon-Neutral, Organic, Eco-Friendly Paperweights. AND, They Are GREEN!

36 posted on 12/19/2011 9:35:02 AM PST by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: freespirited

So the Seattle politicians have investments in either paper bag manufacturing companies, or the cloth bag manufacturers.


37 posted on 12/19/2011 9:35:06 AM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

You mean this one for Ziploc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMoT4QJZQc


38 posted on 12/19/2011 9:35:59 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Yeah, doc, that’s the one. Thanks!


39 posted on 12/19/2011 9:36:45 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

No prob. By the way. It is spelled “DeLuise”.


40 posted on 12/19/2011 9:37:46 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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