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The last thing democracy needs is well-informed voters, say scientist. System relies
Daily Mail ^ | 12/19/11 | Daily Mail

Posted on 12/19/2011 9:42:35 AM PST by Nachum

A well-informed, interested public is often hailed as the 'ideal' of democracy.

But a new Princeton study suggests that the opposite could be the case - and that people who have no interest at all could be vital to the working of a democratic society.

The uninformed are essential to democracy because their apathy helps to dilute the effect of powerful minority interests - for instance, highly educated elites - who would otherwise dominate public life.

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Well, Duh. Who cares. What's on the telly?

Full title: The last thing democracy needs is well-informed voters, say scientist. System relies on the ignorant

1 posted on 12/19/2011 9:42:45 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.


We have all read that before. The libs are just being more open about it now.
2 posted on 12/19/2011 9:44:56 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Nachum
The last thing democracy Democrats needs is well-informed voters, say scientist.

Fixed it.

3 posted on 12/19/2011 9:45:38 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: Nachum

What an arrorgant, elitist, Leninist PIG.
(religion is the opiate of the masses)

He just spouts: “Information is the opiate of the masses”


4 posted on 12/19/2011 9:47:39 AM PST by marty60
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To: Nachum
The last thing democracy needs is well-informed voters, say scientist.

Of course. We must be led by the Mandarin class, A/K/A the governmental control freaks.
5 posted on 12/19/2011 9:47:48 AM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: Nachum

I am less then convinced that data on how fish decide which group to join is of relevance on human politics, or that even if true, it is a good thing.


6 posted on 12/19/2011 9:48:56 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: John Semmens
The last thing democracy needs is well-informed voters, say scientist. System relies on the ignorant

John, you services as a satirist have gone the way of the buggy whip. The world has become too ridiculous to satirize.

7 posted on 12/19/2011 9:49:35 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: Nachum

“Researchers found that as more and more ‘uninformed’ fish - ie not trained to swim towards either target - were introduced, the more the fish tended to group together and swim towards the blue target, which the majority had been trained to ‘like’.”

Witness the power of MEDIA PROPAGANDA, and programmed responses.


8 posted on 12/19/2011 9:51:09 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Nachum

Democracies always devolve into Oligarchies....

Only a Republic that is restrained can last longer tot he benefit of those living within it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsjZBy7hww

This explains it all....

I am quickly becomming a “Bircher”


9 posted on 12/19/2011 9:52:04 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Nachum

panem et circenses (bread and circuses)


10 posted on 12/19/2011 9:53:28 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Nachum

A stupid populace is IMPORTANT to the takeover of communism.

This story is not about the well being of capitalism, it is about promoting an agenda to help “progressives” achieve their goal: the Fundamental Transformation of america


11 posted on 12/19/2011 9:53:45 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Nachum
The fabian ideal is a "democracy" where the people are manipulated by a small group of shadowy academics who think they know what is good for the people more than the people know what is good for them.

The Fabian window.

Remould it nearer to the heart's desire."

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12 posted on 12/19/2011 9:54:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Nachum; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE :’But a new Princeton study suggests that the opposite could be the case - and that people who have no interest at all could be vital to the working of a democratic society.
The uninformed are essential to democracy because their apathy helps to dilute the effect of powerful minority interests - for instance, highly educated elites - who would otherwise dominate public life
The researchers used animal research, mathematical models and computer simulations. They report that in animal groups, uninformed individuals — those with no strong feelings on a situation's outcome — tend to side, simply, which whichever group is the largest.
The less interest someone has, the more they are likely to side with the majority, the researchers found - leading them to speculate that in human societies, the uninterested could be a vital ‘counterbalance’ against powerful groups.
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I think the effect the uninformed have is much more than just number-counting and that they're offering something else,’ Saari said. ‘Why are the fish with no ‘opinion’ more effective toward taking the group toward plurality than the fish that only had some opinion? What is that additional dynamic, what are the real contributions of the uninformed? I don't know what it is, but I do know it's worth investigating.

He did his research with fish. This seems to be the theory behind motor voter law. Don't forget there's the uninformed then there's the misinformed.

Since tax raising lib MO Malley took the Maryland governors office he has passed bill after bill to get the clueless to vote. And it worked : three middle class tax increases and he was easily re-elected. More taxes on the way. Who cares right?

13 posted on 12/19/2011 9:57:08 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: cripplecreek

The author doesn’t realize it, but this is actually a case study in propaganda, and how the sheeple are implanted with programmed responses by a biased media.


14 posted on 12/19/2011 9:59:01 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Nachum

Dummies are the best thing for democracies and that’s why our political system is the best in the world and always will be.


15 posted on 12/19/2011 10:00:01 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Nachum

So “Fat, Dumb, & Happy” is validated by academic researchers huh?


16 posted on 12/19/2011 10:00:17 AM PST by blackdog (And justice for all.....(Offer not valid in all locations, and prices vary))
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To: Nachum

This is a common theme among elitists and those in power. Modern information technology had erased the edge they used to have in access to knowledge. This scares them so they react to it like this:

“Obama Swipes at Media, Says ‘Information’ Onslaught Pressuring ‘Democracy’ (Published May 11, 2010 FOXNews.com)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/11/obama-swipes-media-questions-accuracy-content-environment/

Our leaders fear a well-informed public.


17 posted on 12/19/2011 10:01:21 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: Nachum

I think I see the glass half full on this on. Now we have scientific proof that we should get rid of the Department of Education.


18 posted on 12/19/2011 10:01:24 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: tcrlaf

I’m the worst kind of uneducated person. A high school drop out with a wide variety of interests and a real desire to study them.


19 posted on 12/19/2011 10:02:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Nachum
The last thing democracy needs is well-informed voters

so that libtards can get more people like Hussein elected

20 posted on 12/19/2011 10:02:31 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Nachum

The “system” in all it’s shapes and forms, always relies on the uninformed.


21 posted on 12/19/2011 10:03:01 AM PST by blackdog (And justice for all.....(Offer not valid in all locations, and prices vary))
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To: yobid

BTT


22 posted on 12/19/2011 10:04:39 AM PST by yobid (Si vis pacem, para bellum, If you wish for peace, prepare for war)
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To: blackdog
"Once we know that people are human and have some Homer Simpson in them, then there's a lot that can be done to manipulate them."

-Cass Sunstein.
23 posted on 12/19/2011 10:06:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: sickoflibs

The gist being that anyone who doesn’t agree with liberals is ignorant. Example:
The Daily Show
NBC News
The View
Yada,yada...

You want to be with the “SMART!” people, right?


24 posted on 12/19/2011 10:08:29 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Nachum
Let me translate:
Mass democracy translates into the Rule By Elites.

Because the masses are easily controlled by propaganda and mass marketing.

The good professor recognizes this old wisdom but through a different way, he's looking at it bottom up. Usually folks look at it either from the standpoint of the elites -- who play lip service to democracy as long as they are in control of it, and they can control flat-level mass democracy. Or from the viewpoint of the dispossessed of any time and place, who yell out in pain from the harsh dicta of the elites in control, or from the more local and personal damages of the mob and mob mentality the dispossessed suffer
25 posted on 12/19/2011 10:08:58 AM PST by bvw
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To: Nachum
The researchers worked with fish with a strong 'schooling' instinct - and saw how large groups reacted when some fish were trained to swim towards different-coloured targets.

Fish. The theory is based on schooling fish. Why not lemmings?

26 posted on 12/19/2011 10:08:58 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Nachum
Interesting link.....

Education in Colonial America

27 posted on 12/19/2011 10:11:53 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m very educated. I have actually been asked:
“You’re so well educated. How can you support Republicans?”

My response is always “Because I understand things about media propaganda, that you obviously do not.”

It really p**es them off, but it does make them stop and think for a moment, and that’s all that I can ask.


28 posted on 12/19/2011 10:13:47 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Nachum

Democracies lead to tyrannies—they are defective governments—mob rule-—tyranny of the majority over the minority..... THE FOUNDING FATHERS set up a REPUBLIC to control the mobs.

We need to get rid of the 17 Amendment-—which centralized power in this country and return to the Republican principles—Marxists started destroying our Constitution back then—and with the Federal Reserve——no career politicians—just one term for all in DC——no lobbyists (bribers) allowed.

Judges who legislate from the bench are removed by Congressmen—if they deem they overstepped their oath—a hearing demanded by the majority of the town or district people is enough to establish a hearing. Immediately-—lose funding—lose office.

It is not that hard people.....WE THE PEOPLE ....are the boss. They work for us and these judges were NEVER set up to make up law. Homosexual marriage-—changing definition of words in Black’s Legal Dictionary is not allowed-—and preposterous and what they do in the Soviet Union when up means down so people have no freedom—the language is corrupted.


29 posted on 12/19/2011 10:20:24 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: mewzilla
And for folks who aren't familiar with these.....

THE MCGUFFEY READERS - 1836 version

Scroll down to the bottom for links to the individual readers. Our forefathers are spinning.

30 posted on 12/19/2011 10:20:35 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m the worst kind of uneducated person. A high school drop out with a wide variety of interests and a real desire to study them.

Alas, you will never have a brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pWSwfVDiq8

31 posted on 12/19/2011 10:22:56 AM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Once we know that people are human and have some Homer Simpson in them, then there’s a lot that can be done to manipulate them.”
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
From ‘The Devil’s Dictionary’

ELECTOR..One who enjoys the sacred privilege of voting for the man of another man’s choice.


32 posted on 12/19/2011 10:23:39 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) EGOIST - A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. A. Bierce)
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To: Nachum

Which helps explain why we aren’t(weren’t?) a democracy.


33 posted on 12/19/2011 10:25:20 AM PST by SuzyQue (Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.)
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To: xrmusn; All

From ‘The Devil’s Dictionary’
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Some interesting ‘observations’ from Ambrose Bierce

www.thedevilsdictionary.com


34 posted on 12/19/2011 10:27:32 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) EGOIST - A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. A. Bierce)
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To: cripplecreek

Once we know that social architects are looking for our Homer Simpson, we now know how to best deal with their arrogant entitled livelihoods.


35 posted on 12/19/2011 10:28:28 AM PST by blackdog (And justice for all.....(Offer not valid in all locations, and prices vary))
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To: marty60

I think today TV is the opiate of the masses.


36 posted on 12/19/2011 11:15:06 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Nachum

They’re probably right. It’s republics that demand a well-informed and active citizenry.


37 posted on 12/19/2011 12:35:44 PM PST by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: Nachum; Admin Moderator
The last thing democracy needs is well-informed voters, say scientist. System relies

This is not even close to the title of the linked article, "Vote for apathy? The uninformed are the key ingredient for a working democracy, study finds"

By the way, "say scientist" is not correct English in the USA, and I suspect it's not in England either. You might find some in the Outer Hebrides who speak like that.

38 posted on 12/19/2011 12:49:32 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: mewzilla

Thank you for the link!


39 posted on 12/19/2011 1:06:03 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: Nachum; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; sickoflibs; 3D-JOY; 50mm; ...
The last thing democracy needs is a well-informed fish.

39½ posted on 12/19/2011 6:15:17 PM EST by Princeton Professor Pinhead (And furthermore...any questions?)

To: Nachum; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; sickoflibs; 3D-Joy; 50mm; ...
ping!

If you want off my ping list get over it!


40 posted on 12/19/2011 3:35:30 PM PST by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." --Kool-Aid)
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To: BufordP

I’m so confused! Which server does that document reside on anyway?

LOL

Pat! He still looks Residential.


41 posted on 12/19/2011 3:42:19 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: sickoflibs
...people who have no interest at all could be vital to the working of a democratic society.

Sick, it's like he's glorifying useful idiots... Maybe we should defend high school drop-outs doing basic research and teaching college...

42 posted on 12/19/2011 4:57:26 PM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: Nachum
Yes, it does. If all of the voters were well-informed, most of these sociopaths would be out of a job.
43 posted on 12/19/2011 6:27:03 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: cripplecreek
Jeepers CripL! When, and why in the h e double 2 sticks did you drop out? I've got a diploma somewhere, I think...

Worked a good 10 years or so as a no college degree engineer in the auto industry. Ditto your "real desire".

" To: Nachum
Democracies always devolve into Oligarchies....
Only a Republic that is restrained can last longer tot he benefit of those living within it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsjZBy7hww
This explains it all....
I am quickly becomming a “Bircher”
9 posted on Mon 19 Dec 2011 12:52:04 PM EST by GraceG
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Good youtube link.

44 posted on 12/19/2011 7:27:28 PM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: KarlInOhio

“The world has become too ridiculous to satirize.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

A magnificent summation of current conditions. That would make a great tagline.


45 posted on 12/20/2011 5:39:37 AM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: Nachum

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/chump-effect_610143.html

Lots of cultural writing these days, in books and magazines and newspapers, relies on the so-called Chump Effect. The Effect is defined by its discoverer, me, as the eagerness of laymen and journalists to swallow whole the claims made by social scientists. Entire journalistic enterprises, whole books from cover to cover, would simply collapse into dust if even a smidgen of skepticism were summoned whenever we read that “scientists say” or “a new study finds” or “research shows” or “data suggest.” Most such claims of social science, we would soon find, fall into one of three categories: the trivial, the dubious, or the flatly untrue.


46 posted on 12/20/2011 10:41:11 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: JerseyanExile
I am less then convinced that data on how fish decide which group to join is of relevance on human politics, or that even if true, it is a good thing.

One thing which articles like this often totally ignore is that humans have a much greater awareness of the observer than do animals like fish, and that a policy which would be optimal for managing the interactions of people who weren't aware of what the policy way, may work poorly if people become aware of the policy and can exploit it.

As a simple example, consider the scenario of a fire in a home whose owner has not paid the annual fire protection fee. If the fire department could extinguish the fire and charge the home owner some amount that exceeded the marginal cost of the fire, without anyone finding out that it had done so, such a scenario would be better for everyone, including both the homeowner and the fire department, than simply letting the house burn. Unfortunately, if the fire department has an implicit or explicit policy of charging non-subscribers a fee that's low enough to be collectable, and such a policy becomes widely known, it would quickly result in so many people dropping their subscriptions that the fire department would no longer be able to protect anyone.

47 posted on 12/22/2011 3:53:28 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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