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Saab heads for scrapyard as long rescue quest fails
Chicago Tribune ^ | 12/19/2011 | Reuters

Posted on 12/19/2011 10:49:22 AM PST by Lockbar

Car maker Saab ran out of time Monday when its Dutch owner filed for bankruptcy, calling time on a nine-month battle to rescue the struggling Swedish marque.....

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If you have a Saab, buy your spare parts now.
1 posted on 12/19/2011 10:49:29 AM PST by Lockbar
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To: Lockbar

I never did understand why the yuppies have a love for this car.


2 posted on 12/19/2011 10:52:06 AM PST by duckman (Herman 2012 was Zero's worst night mare.)
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To: Lockbar

Libs all over the western world must be in mourning right now.


4 posted on 12/19/2011 10:57:21 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lockbar

Right up there with the Peugeot, Yugo, MG and all other British Leyland brands, and Renault.


5 posted on 12/19/2011 11:02:08 AM PST by blackdog (And justice for all.....(Offer not valid in all locations, and prices vary))
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To: Windflier
Volvo is the lib auto manufacturer. Saab advertised while using fighter jets. (Just fixing a common misperception).

A true lib would not have purchased Saab for its military ties.

6 posted on 12/19/2011 11:03:57 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Lockbar

After all the jokes about Saab, and ya, I’ve told a few myself, what happens to the workers? Like the guy who built Saabs for 17 years? He sure as hell can’t come to the USA looking for work in the automotive field! Where does he go? What does he do? Maybe he can come to Cleveland to the new casino and get in line behind 17K applicants trying to land one of 400 jobs?


7 posted on 12/19/2011 11:04:21 AM PST by donozark (Not all heroes wear tights and a cape.)
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To: Lockbar

Another Saub story for the libs.


8 posted on 12/19/2011 11:05:19 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: duckman

I loved my saab. Had a 1984 900 for fourteen years. It was durable, simply-made and reliable. No fancy electronics, just a good go-car. Basic transportation and good in snow.

Have been considering getting a reconditioned one as a second car.


9 posted on 12/19/2011 11:05:38 AM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: All
Libs?

I am a gun toting Red Neck and a SAAB Nut.

The last real Saab was the 96 built from 1960 to 1980 I have owned over 20 of them 93's 96's and 97's. My buddies called me "Sven Svenska" just like the mythical SAAB racing driver. I love the smell of TWO STROKE IN THE MORNING IT SMELLS LIKE VICTORY. The were a well built car made to last. Richard Grossman is rolloing over in his grave

10 posted on 12/19/2011 11:07:04 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: Lockbar

A real Saab story...................


11 posted on 12/19/2011 11:07:31 AM PST by Red Badger (Every child should have a meadow to play in..............)
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To: Red Badger

Funny - lmao...
I’ve owned many of them over the past 30 yrs. Always have to have a convertible five speed for the short NH summers....when I was young, they were year rounders for me - good on gas, great in snow.


12 posted on 12/19/2011 11:14:32 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: 1rudeboy
A true lib would not have purchased Saab for its military ties.

I'm from SoCal, and beg to differ with you on that. Saab has been a preferred lib brand for as long as I can remember.

13 posted on 12/19/2011 11:16:34 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lockbar

My kind of people don’t drive those things. They drive American made trucks.


14 posted on 12/19/2011 11:18:00 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Windflier

California libs? QED.


15 posted on 12/19/2011 11:18:53 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Windflier

Mrs. RQSR, and myself are hardly what anyone could call “Libs”. We’ve been driving SAABS for many years. Currently have three, and have had as many as four at one time.

Love those cars. They have taken us through many a foul Winter through the mud, and flood of this rural area we live. They are great off road vehicles some might be surprised to find out.

Will probably buy Ford next time we need to replace a car now. Sad to see SAAB cars go, but it was inevitable when GM cheapened them up. Trashed them IMO. Even if they could get the financing to keep producing them they would have that GM instilled crappy car reputation to overcome.


16 posted on 12/19/2011 11:23:40 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: troy McClure
Totally agree, there was a Saab 96 in my family for many years. Built rock solid, fun to drive and it would start on Chicago February mornings when all the Detroit iron was frozen solid.

I learned the fine art of three-pedal driving with that four on the tree shifter.

A damn shame Saab went the up-market yupmobile route like so many other good European makes.

17 posted on 12/19/2011 11:24:46 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: Lockbar

Almost all companies today are going to smaller displacement turbocharged engines.

Saab did that over 30 years ago, when almost no other car company did.

Saab was also advancing front wheel drive, long before it became widespread.

Several features of Saab interiors are smart and useful.

GM has killed Oldsmobile, Saturn, Pontiac and Saab.

During that time, Toyota has started Lexus, Scion and soon to be a full brand, Prius.

The problem wasn’t inherently Saab, rather GM’s failure as a multi-brand auto company.

At GM the major strategy is badging. Badging fails, and GM needs government help.

GM couldn’t continue with Saab, when the all important Volt needed funding.

My wife will tell you her Saab was among her favorite alltime cars.


18 posted on 12/19/2011 11:27:03 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Lockbar; WayneS

Ping to WayneS


19 posted on 12/19/2011 11:28:36 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: duckman

Er, that would be me. Had three of them and loved ‘em: solid, spacious, fun to drive and with the 5-door hatchback you could carry about anything.


20 posted on 12/19/2011 11:35:13 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: truth_seeker

A friend in my 1969 Iowa City days owned a two stroke Saab that had over 200,000 miles on the clock. Yeah, there was a whisp of smoke that followed the car but he still owned it last time I was in town for a football game about five years ago.


21 posted on 12/19/2011 11:38:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: duckman

Er, that would be me. Had three of them and loved ‘em: solid, spacious, fun to drive and with the 5-door hatchback you could carry about anything.


22 posted on 12/19/2011 11:41:27 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: DH

We currently have three SAABs, and an ‘89 Ford Lariat 1/2 ton pick em up truck. Prior to that we had SAABs, and a custom built ‘67 Ford one ton crew cab long bed. We had that old truck for twenty years.

Would probably still have that old truck, but then I got old, and it hadn’t any power anything on it. All manual including the steering.


23 posted on 12/19/2011 11:42:01 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: DH

Nissan? Toyota?


24 posted on 12/19/2011 11:45:19 AM PST by donozark (Not all heroes wear tights and a cape.)
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To: troy McClure
I love the smell of TWO STROKE IN THE MORNING IT SMELLS LIKE VICTORY.

I knew a Flight Instructor when I was an airport bum kid that would give me rides home in his with the 3 speed on the column, man what a machine for the senses! The later Saab's were so ahead of their time, many pilot types I know loved the aviation influence.

Damn shame GM tried to turn Saab into a Buick or Olds, rather than turn Buick or Olds into a Saab. Without getting into it, I saw GM take it over, and I could see that they didn't know what to do with it....

25 posted on 12/19/2011 11:53:39 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: duckman

“I never did understand why the yuppies have a love for this car.”

When they first were imported back in the ‘60s they were incredibly high quality, well designed cars that reflected the aircraft engineering skills of the parent company. The yuppies later seized onto the Saabs based on that old reputation, but it was already pretty much gone. LOVED the old one we got in 1967 when I was a kid. It was very different from the later ‘luxury’ sedans.

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26 posted on 12/19/2011 11:54:49 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Lockbar

My 2000 convertible turns 245 horsepower. In the Rockies, accelerates up long climbs; passing all but the hemi powered pick up trucks. But I’ll take the size and 28 mpg as a compromise. Plus I only paid 9K for it, four years ago.

As long as the electrical systems hold, it will be with me.


27 posted on 12/19/2011 12:02:26 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: All

Many conservatives drive a Saab. They were the safest cars on the road in the day. Built like Sherman tanks. The front engine was designed to collapse downward and out in the case of a front end crash. The sides were steel reinforced and it was one of the first front wheel drive cars. These babies could survive significant car crashes wherein the passengers and drivers walked away. And these cars were built to last. I live in the northeastern part of Washington State where snow and especially, ice are huge problems in the winter. In severe winter conditions, they are unbeatable. I have had Saabs since 1981 and still have a beautiful mint 1990, 900S three door hatchback in red. I am also a conservative.


28 posted on 12/19/2011 12:03:08 PM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: cicero2k

“In the Rockies, accelerates up long climbs; passing all but the hemi powered pick up trucks.”

I drove my Saab from Washington State to Tucson, Arizona in December one year. We hit a huge snowstorm in the Rockies of Idaho. There were semi trucks off the side of the road chaining up. The snow was fierce by the time we started climbing the first pass. My little Saab, with NO chains, got up those mountains without a problem. On the flip side of the pass, we were driving through snow banks two and three feet high, again without issue. I can’t imagine driving any car other than a Saab. We will keep my current Saab (1990, 900S three door hatchback) running as long as we can.


29 posted on 12/19/2011 12:15:47 PM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: Lockbar
"The leftward leanings of Saab owners are an article of faith at the company; a 1972 survey supposedly found that 98 percent of Saab owners voted for George McGovern for president."

Gothenburg on the Hudson

(I've owned two SAABs, both pre-GM. I won't say who I voted for in 1972, but Nixon was trying to get me killed at the time, and I took it personally.)

30 posted on 12/19/2011 12:24:03 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Windflier

If you are from SoCal- you don’t know what REAL LIBS are.. up here in Northern CA where are fruits and nuts don’t grow on trees we haev REAL LIBS. They can tax you and screw you out of your retirement with out even breaking a sweat! ;-)

As for Saab - I read an article last week in Aviation Week that they had just had a major win for the jet. Don’t remember where or the details.


31 posted on 12/19/2011 12:29:06 PM PST by fremont_steve
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To: taildragger

“Damn shame GM tried to turn Saab into a Buick or Olds, rather than turn Buick or Olds into a Saab. Without getting into it, I saw GM take it over, and I could see that they didn’t know what to do with it....”

That pretty much sums up the management philosophy of GM, which had to shed Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer and Saab, instead of develop and sell innovative, vehicles the public wanted.

Given the choice of putting a 200 hp turbo-four into a Buick, or putting an old GM 160 hp six in the Saab, GM would blow it every time.

That low rpm torque, from Saab’s turbo was my automobile awakening.

America is in decline, partly because of inept top management in our once great industries. GM is a prime example, along with banking/finance.


32 posted on 12/19/2011 12:43:18 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
America is in decline, partly because of inept top management in our once great industries. GM is a prime example, along with banking/finance.

Everything you said was true TS..

But GM was a warning shot for SSI, Medicare and Medicade and before those 3 ,The City of Detroit.

All are violating the Accounting Equation and have Liabilities far greater than their Assets and have no way to fund them.

Next up for State Restructuring if they can't do it or Chapter 9 is Detroit...

33 posted on 12/19/2011 12:56:14 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Lockbar

I’m going to have to send my doctor a sympathy card. She’s going to take this hard. It’s all she’s driven in the years that I’ve known her.


34 posted on 12/19/2011 1:03:18 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Lockbar

Gubermint Motors killed the deal. How do you like them Chicago apples, Saab?


35 posted on 12/19/2011 1:16:05 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("At a time like this, we can't afford the luxury of thinking!")
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To: fremont_steve
If you are from SoCal- you don’t know what REAL LIBS are.. up here in Northern CA where are fruits and nuts don’t grow on trees we haev REAL LIBS.

Oh, I know about NorCal libs. I'm originally from there, and half my lib family lives there now. I won't argue about them being a more purified version of the breed, but their SoCal comrades are nearly just as bad. They're all nuts.

36 posted on 12/19/2011 1:35:38 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rockinqsranch
Mrs. RQSR, and myself are hardly what anyone could call “Libs”. We’ve been driving SAABS for many years.

Oh, I know that not everyone who drives a Saab is a lib. It's just that the marque been a preferred brand of the left for a long time.

I guess this is going to turn into another car wars thread. I'm in the American made camp, myself, but I honestly don't care what anyone else drives.

37 posted on 12/19/2011 1:47:34 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: troy McClure

My dad was a USMC aviator and he bought one of the first ones sold in Jacksonville, NC (Camp LeJeune). It was a pale blue ‘65 two stroke wagon. We had that car for years. Finally sold it when he was stationed in Honolulu where the SAAB dealer had closed just before we moved there and when the master cylinder went out and he had to order one from Colorado he decided to part with it. 6 months later the SAAB dealership reopened in HNL.

I’ve owned two, an ‘88 900 with three speed auto and a ‘99 900 with a five speed. (First GEN “GM SAAB”). I loved the ventilation system in the “Classic” ‘88 900 because you could set it so that hot air came out of the foot and side vents and cold outside air from the center console vents so you could be warm on your body but still have cold air in your face to keep you from getting drowsy on long closed up winter drives. I’d like to find a “Classic” 900 in good condition with a 5 speed manual.

The ‘99’s from the early/mid 70’s were great cars as well.


38 posted on 12/19/2011 3:09:09 PM PST by hawkboy
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To: Lockbar

My neighbor called his car the “sorry Saab”. ‘nuff said!


39 posted on 12/19/2011 3:15:25 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: NonValueAdded

“Gubermint Motors killed the deal. How do you like them Chicago apples, Saab?”

That is because GM is worried the Chinese would get their IP, thinking GM’s IP is worth much.

That is old, old thinking on GM’s part, because

1. The Chinese can and will steal it anyway, and

2. IP ain’t what it used to to. Technology changes so fast, that you win by designing, building and SUCCESSFULLY marketing it, quick enough to get the $$ out of that timeglimpse while it is hot.

Take too long, and technology is worthless.

I suspect Saab’s technology is obsolete right now. People, know how, plant equipment can be adapted to other brands.

GM is not the world leading, effectively managed company it once was, much like many other US firms.

It should not surprise anybody, and it won’t be remedied by a few political slogans.

Companies, governments, institutions, and individuals in the US have rested on their laurels. Like “we are big, strong, successful because we are big, strong, successful forever”

Until we get stupid, prop up corrupt, ineffective, obsolete products, people, institutions, companies, etc.

Prop them up with like “Too Big to Fail” for autos and banking, for instance.

Institutions, like AICPA (American Institute of Certified Public Accountants) went down with Arthur Andersen’s complicity in the Enron scam.

Recently the NAR (National Association of Realtors) messed up four years of statistics, for reasons unknown unexplained. Probably because computer programmers have taken prescedence over old fashioned analysts.

The military allows a PFC to handle top secret information, who them turns it over to Wikileaks.

Medical cost is driven by the huge opportunity provided, since so many got insurance at work, and started abusing the system. My wife arranged a female surgery for cash total of $10,000 which would have been $30,000 to $40,000 if billed to insurance.

Government is the problem, not the solution.

Let GM and banks fail, to sort out the inefficient and stupid players, instead of forcing taxpayers to subsidize the stupidity.

Too Big to Fail rewards mediocrity, which is the level at which a lot in the US is operating.

ANYBODY is better than Obama, and I will vote for the GOP nominee. Period.
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40 posted on 12/19/2011 3:46:34 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: WesternCulture

another swedish success?


41 posted on 12/19/2011 11:54:51 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: donozark

I own a 1994 Toyota pickup that has 63,000 original miles on it. Nothing fancy...a motor, steering wheel, shifter, radio and air conditioner. It’s my favorite little truck and it is still in fine condition.

However, it came from Toyota when they were at the top of their game.


42 posted on 12/20/2011 6:34:33 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH

Toyota has had some rough going. But most Taco/Tundra drivers seem to like their trucks. Same with Frontys/Titan.
You will be driving your ‘94 Toyota until odometer turns 200K. Most do, unless they trade in for fancy new truck.


43 posted on 12/20/2011 6:42:12 AM PST by donozark (My son is Inmate of the Month at the Taney County Jail...)
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To: cicero2k
As long as the electrical systems hold

Or you can replace the Bosch parts at $500 a pop.

44 posted on 12/20/2011 6:53:34 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Windflier
Libs all over the western world must be in mourning right now.

That's okay - they have Subaru ready to step in to fill the void. Have you seen Subaru's touchy-feely commercials lately? Enough to make you lose your lunch!

45 posted on 12/20/2011 7:02:14 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: GreenHornet
Have you seen Subaru's touchy-feely commercials lately? Enough to make you lose your lunch!

Seems to me, the only car commercials that are aimed at middle America anymore, are those for full size trucks. The rest all seem to be pandering to the hip, young, urban, liberal set.

46 posted on 12/20/2011 7:29:13 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 9YearLurker

With the rear seat folded down, I once carried a full-sized Sears Kenmore washing machine in the back of my 1985 SPG... ...with the hatch closed.


47 posted on 12/20/2011 12:40:30 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Windflier

I think that is the new middle America.


48 posted on 12/20/2011 12:44:05 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: WayneS

I carried a Kawasaki jet ski 550 in my SPG


49 posted on 12/20/2011 12:46:13 PM PST by crosdaddy
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To: duckman
I've only ever met a few yuppies who owned Saabs. They tended to gravitate to BMWs.

I've known LOTS of Deadheads and tech-geeks who own(ed) Saabs, and even a marijuana grower or two, but not very many yuppies...

The original-edition 900 Turbo (1980 to 1993, and particularly the 16V from 1985 on) was a spectacularly good car. They handled like 4-seater Porsches and had gobs of acceleration. They were extremely easy to maintain and repair in your own garage and they were just weird-looking enough to keep ‘posers’ from becoming interested in them.

50 posted on 12/20/2011 12:53:24 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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