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Ron Paul leads Iowa polls, still third in national polls (Romney 18, Perry 16, Gingrich 13)
Rock River Times ^ | December 19, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 12/19/2011 1:19:16 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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1 posted on 12/19/2011 1:19:33 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Dec 17, 2011: Momentum P. II [2:33]

Presidential Candidate [Perry] Holds Agriculture Conference Call “You can’t tell me that America is not exceptional. You can't tell me that because I've seen it”

"Rick Perry has always remained faithful." -- First Lieutenant Daniel P. Moran

[6:45] Medal recipients tell of their sacrifice and the sacrifice of their fellow heroes -- and why they support Rick Perry.

2 posted on 12/19/2011 1:20:17 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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OpEds:

Red State: Don’t Settle: Rick Perry for President.

Red State: I Will Vote for Governor Rick Perry in SC.

Big Government: A Time For Choosing: Rick Perry for President

3 posted on 12/19/2011 1:26:23 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Paul is far on the other side of looney. As a Texan, I have seen the Ron Paul act for over forty years and, frankly, the guy may be a fine doctor but he is screwy as peach orchard bore. God help us if he ever became president. He would be a match for the outrageous actions of Obama. We wouldn’t know which end of his axis would be on top from one hour to the next. And the people that support him? Geeze! They must be loonier than Paul himself.


4 posted on 12/19/2011 1:27:35 PM PST by Jukeman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh stop. This is just nonsense. Ron Paul has less chance of being President of the US then my cat!


5 posted on 12/19/2011 1:27:59 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This poll has been discredited in many threads


6 posted on 12/19/2011 1:29:13 PM PST by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

I bet a lot of Dems were thinking the same thing in ‘07 about Obama...


7 posted on 12/19/2011 1:30:03 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hate the fact that I even have to consider this, but if my choices are Romney and Paul, I will vote for Romney.

Iran has the potential to ruin our whole century.


8 posted on 12/19/2011 1:31:56 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: 100American
This is the IA poll. The PPP is the bogus poll. It also has Gingrich very low.

I know these polls are close because Jeb Bush and Palin have commented on new candidates jumping in the race. I can only assume they mean themselves.

this is about Perry moving up, not Paul.

Paul could never win the Republican nomination. Perry can. This is about the States vs the RNC.

9 posted on 12/19/2011 1:32:42 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Some have suggested a Paul victory in Iowa would deliver a blow to Gingrich’s campaign, as Romney is expected to win the next primary of the season, the Jan. 10, 2012, New Hampshire primary.

If Paul wins Iowa, then he stands a darn good chance of winning New Hampshire. Which turns this into a real interesting nomination race. Gingrich is already fading at any rate, and Romney has his 30% ceiling. I see this turning into a 3-way race between Paul, Romney and Perry-Bachmann-Santorum...

10 posted on 12/19/2011 1:32:56 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: normy
Perry’s Iowa bus tour route


U.S. Republican Presidential candidate and Texas Governor Rick Perry (L) greets attendees at a campaign stop in Spencer, Iowa December 17, 2011.

11 posted on 12/19/2011 1:34:02 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rick Perry will win Iowa.


12 posted on 12/19/2011 1:35:34 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Liberty1970

[I see this turning into a 3-way race between Paul, Romney and Perry-Bachmann-Santorum...]

No, you cannot see crap. This means Romney wins, followed by Obama winning another term.


13 posted on 12/19/2011 1:38:19 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry....I’ve stuck by him from the beginning.


14 posted on 12/19/2011 1:40:15 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Liberty1970
Paul is not going to win Iowa. The RNC is not worried about 76 year old Paul. They are worried about the loose cannon, Rick Perry winning Iowa, which he is going to do.

This is about power and about Romney losing.

Someone is floating a story about Palin and Bush getting into the race. Now I ask you, why? To stop Paul? To give RINO's someone besides Romney to vote for?

This is about Perry moving 10 points in the last couple of weeks. They thought he was toast.

Look for the next poll to have Perry even closer to 1st. This scares the RNC because the Republican Governors are fighting the National Party for power.

Perry's campaign is a legitimate State's Rights movement which scares everyone.

15 posted on 12/19/2011 1:40:37 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: 100American

And by discredited, we mean “our candidate isn’t on top, so it’s a bad poll naah naah naah I can’t here you I’ve got me hands over my ears all is well” kind of way.

most polls are in fact easily “discredited”. But they are useful when people who support certain “front-runners” (based on faulty polls) tell us that the polls have spoken and we must all fall in line.

According to THIS faulty poll, Gingrich should drop out now and support Perry for the good of the party, and stop wasting our time. And if his supporters don’t agree, they are really supporting ROn Paul or Mitt Romney.


16 posted on 12/19/2011 1:41:01 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Hoodat

Bump!


17 posted on 12/19/2011 1:41:17 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; jonrick46; deepbluesea; TexMom7; potlatch; SunkenCiv; wolfcreek; BuckeyeTexan; ...
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Per SD
This is just how Rick Perry is. After Hurricane Ike devastated my community, he came here to survey the damage. He did not just walk through here surrounded by security and news cameras and then make a speech. That's not Perry. He showed up in jeans and a work shirt, no cameras, no press conference, and he walked among all of us who had been hit. A hug, a pat on the shoulder, a listening ear, and an encouraging word. He saw to it that emergency shelters were being set up and food and water were available to everyone. When Obama/FEMA refused to help us, Governor Perry set up state funding to help us rebuild our homes and our lives. My home is at 'ground zero' where Ike came ashore. We all took tremendous damage. FEMA sent me a check two months later for $600 dollars. Governor Perry set up the Recovery Fund to help us all rebuild. That is what a true leader and a true Christian does. That's my Governor! I can't wait to see America under the caring wing of Rick Perry.


18 posted on 12/19/2011 1:41:39 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

19 posted on 12/19/2011 1:42:02 PM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: normy

Show us these polls you are quoting. Here is the latest from RCP; You numbers are not even clost to what these recent and legitimate polls show.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html


20 posted on 12/19/2011 1:44:33 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Yossarian

If Paul were to win, conservatives need to abandon the GOP.


21 posted on 12/19/2011 1:45:13 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: presidio9

“I hate the fact that I even have to consider this, but if my choices are Romney and Paul, I will vote for Romney.”

If it’s been Obama and Paul, I’d vote for OBAMA!!!! :-O!!!

It’s truly disgusting. Drudge spends days saying “Paul surging!” (because of ONE poll out of... what a dozen???) and now says “NEWT’S LEAD COLLAPSING” — like he (and his pathetic group of media whores) played NO PART IN IT.

!@(#*!@.

What on earth is so damned wonderful about Mitt Romney that the entire Republican elite CRAVE him as their candidate? -— Beause when push comes to shove, we-the-people mean NOTHING to them. They control us like fly-paper controls flies, and they WILL have their way and get THEIR candidate, and that’s that.

Very frustrating. Excuse the rant.


22 posted on 12/19/2011 1:46:22 PM PST by Pravious
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To: normy

I am not a Perry supporter by any means. But you don’t need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.


23 posted on 12/19/2011 1:47:04 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Oh stop. This is just nonsense. Ron Paul has less chance of being President of the US then my cat!

Where does your cat stand on social issues and what's it's plan for the economy? What's it position on the EPA?

24 posted on 12/19/2011 1:52:14 PM PST by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
PF, you keep talking about national polls. That is not how this works.

If Iowa falls to Perry there could be a serious momentum swing. While Perry wont win NH he could spend 3 weeks campaigning in SC while Huntsman, Gingrich and Paul make life hell for Romney in NH.

South Carolina is not a firewall for Perry and neither is Florida. Perry has money and groundwork to take this as far as he wants.

Newt, Bachmann and Santorum need money to continue after SC. Perry is saying I am staying in until there is only me and Romney and you can all choose between us.

Newt is not now nor was he ever going to go anywhere. He simply doesn't have enough solid support, not even from the voter. He's just the "not Romney" flavor of the week. He has less money than Ron Paul and wont get any from anyone. It's not like Cain where average voters were sending him cash. The big party guys are funding Romney.

25 posted on 12/19/2011 1:53:13 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Pravious
What on earth is so damned wonderful about Mitt Romney that the entire Republican elite CRAVE him as their candidate?

The Republican establishment can't count on employment in a Gingrich administration, and they know it. My personal opinion is that Romney is the easier opponent for Obama, because Romney can't hammer Obamacare, the number one wedge issue for independants.

The establishment is hyping Paul because he has zero shot of winning, and to further divide the "not Romney" vote. This is a classic circular firing squad, because Gingrich will still win Iowa, as was originally predicted, but now they have downplayed expectations to the point where he gets to declare himself the new "comeback kid" when he does.

26 posted on 12/19/2011 1:55:05 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
What I am saying is money talks and bullsh!t walks. I remember a month ago there would be multiple Freepers rallying for money to be donated to Cain over and over. That isn't happening with Newt.
27 posted on 12/19/2011 1:56:16 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Pravious
The thing to do is be patent and wait. The MSM is manipulating the outcome again. They are paving the road for Romney, because they know Romney is the most beatable between him and Newt.

If any of the other second stringers win, that would be even better. The more inexperienced they are the better. This puts the MSM back if full charge of the American Public. This also guarantees an Obama win. And they know it.

This latest anti-Newt hysteria stinks of something very fishy. They are all on it like they did on Cain, Perry, etc. They are flexing their public opinion changing muscles again, just to keep themselves in tune.

If we don't do something soon, about this Lying, manipulating Media, we will lose far more than future elections.

28 posted on 12/19/2011 2:04:37 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: normy; Sacajaweau

Fox is afraid to say Perry’s name.

“Fair and Balanced?”

NO


29 posted on 12/19/2011 2:13:30 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: normy

I fear for the country. Newt would be the best one to fix it for sure, but you are right about the fact that Newt does not have the funds or the organization to fight these recent attacks in Iowa.

RUN Paul is airing these nasty one minute ads daily and the politics of personal destruction has done some serious damage. Why these ads are aimed at Newt and not Romney, is beyond me. Time will tell, that’s all we can look forward to at the moment.

I did hear that Newt raised the funds to launch counter ads to the RP hate ads. Let’s hope they turn it around and destroy Paul just to get some justice, if nothing else.


30 posted on 12/19/2011 2:14:05 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
RP is a dirty bastage and you have to fight him dirty. That is another reason I like Perry. He will fight dirty.
31 posted on 12/19/2011 2:17:18 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Any poll where Ron Paul leads Iowa has been gamed. The man didn’t even get 10% in Iowa last time around.


32 posted on 12/19/2011 2:25:39 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Your post #28 I can agree with.

Why don't you read it again for yourself. If we rally behind the best conservative, we can end this thing pretty easily. To me and a BUNCH of other people, that's Rick Perry. What's killing us is the split vote. Some for Newt, some for Michelle, some for Perry. We still have a chance to muscle Romney to the sidelines. But it will only happen if the conservative voters unite around one candidate.

33 posted on 12/19/2011 2:28:13 PM PST by mikhailovich
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Let the freshly tasered looking beady eyed Sanduskyite Martian Ron Paul win in Iowa. Who gives a crap. He obviously spent 10’s of millions of dollars on negative ads [most likely donated from the DNC].

It's not winner take all until April 2012. The queers-— Paul, Pitt, and Perry will be long gone like farts in the wind.

[....and none of these homo looking rinos can beat the marxist homo in the White Hut]

34 posted on 12/19/2011 2:37:47 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: 100American

There are three polls mentioned; which one do you assert has been discredited, by whom and how? Or all of them?


35 posted on 12/19/2011 2:39:18 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“If we don’t do something soon, about this Lying, manipulating Media, we will lose far more than future elections. “

What’s really disspiriting is that it’s WE REPUBLICANS that they’re manipulating. The brain-dead, public-schooled morons on the left I can see being swayed by anything they’re told over and over again... but it seems to be working on a lot of OUR PEOPLE.

Do we really have to annhilate every possible candidate we have before they get a chance to go up against Obama?


36 posted on 12/19/2011 2:42:57 PM PST by Pravious
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The thing to do is be patent and wait. The MSM is manipulating the outcome again. They are paving the road for Romney, because they know Romney is the most beatable between him and Newt.

You're the only sane voice on this thread.
37 posted on 12/19/2011 2:48:27 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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38 posted on 12/19/2011 3:01:08 PM PST by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To: Jukeman
he is screwy as peach orchard bore.

I think you meant "boar". Nonetheless, I will be voting for him in the primary.

39 posted on 12/19/2011 3:07:47 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: normy

Speaking of that, what happened to all the money Cain got from deluded donors? What, if anything, is he obligated to do with the surplus in his campaign chest when he checked out?

Just curious.


40 posted on 12/19/2011 3:13:46 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I am seeing God more and more in this. He loves taking the wise in their own craftiness.

Anita Perry was in NH speaking at a VFW today and an Airforce Vet stopped her and told her "Tell Perry not to quit, hang in there for those in middle America"

Anita assured him they were not quitting.

41 posted on 12/19/2011 3:15:34 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
is there any indication as to how much democrat and independent influence there is in this poll??
42 posted on 12/19/2011 3:22:59 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: altura
My guess is he will have to declare what his 4th quarter intake was. If I were to guess,and knowing Mark Blockhead, it wasn't nine million.

But that's water under the bridge.

On a side note, I bet if Santorum and Bachmann both dropped out, Bachmann would endorse Romney and Santorum would endorse Perry. That's my gut.

The endorsement I want is Haley Barbour. I saw Bobby J was campaigning in Iowa for Perry. Barbour in SC would be sweet.

43 posted on 12/19/2011 3:28:33 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: elpadre
Good point. the PPP poll is bogus because it polls only 55% of those who have ever attended a Caucus. It polls 15% Dems and 35% Indy's.

They don't give internals of who voted for whom.

In the IA poll they do let you know who voted for whom and Perry is actually 2nd amongst Republican voters to Romney.

44 posted on 12/19/2011 3:35:33 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Fox is afraid to say Perry’s name.

“Fair and Balanced?”

NO

What is it about FNC ? They seem to be going out of their way to not mention Perry.

45 posted on 12/19/2011 4:05:14 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: altura
Speaking of that, what happened to all the money Cain got from deluded donors? What, if anything, is he obligated to do with the surplus in his campaign chest when he checked out?

Just curious.

Some one said that because he just "suspended " his campaign he can use the money to pay off debts from his campaign. (keep the money)

It would be interesting to know for sure.

46 posted on 12/19/2011 4:11:00 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry at 16% and Romney at 18%? I thought Perry was supposed to be a has-been’s has-been, sitting in the toilet with polling numbers under 10%.


47 posted on 12/19/2011 5:43:20 PM PST by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: presidio9

Pray you don’t have to make that choice.

If Ron Paul does win Iowa, the Dums will be running ads with his racist newsletters in bold type. And ALL REPUBS will be smeared by it.

I think it’s time to end the Iowa Caucuses.


48 posted on 12/19/2011 7:27:58 PM PST by marty60
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To: bigdirty

“If Paul were to win, conservatives need to abandon the GOP.”

The gop abandoned conservatives long ago.


49 posted on 12/19/2011 7:33:43 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: marty60
If Ron Paul does win Iowa, the Dums will be running ads with his racist newsletters in bold type.

Are you kidding? That's the LAST thing they will do. David Axelrod has wet dreams about the idea of running his guy against Paul.

The good news is that 8% of all voters think Ron Paul is a genuis, 80% think he's a moron, and the rest aren't capable of thinking for themselves. Gingrich or Romney will win Iowa. I still think it will be Gingrich. Romney will win NH. Gingrich still looks like the guy in Florida. Ron Paul will plug away with his 8-20%, state by state, and be a pain in the ass until the Convention.

50 posted on 12/19/2011 7:43:18 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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