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No, Really, Ron Paul Cannot Win
nymag.com ^ | 12/19/2011 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 12/19/2011 3:39:51 PM PST by TBBT

Andrew Sullivan, following up his (Republican primary) endorsement of Ron Paul, argues today that campaign reporters and pundits who say he can’t win the nomination are all wrong:

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No, he really can’t. It would be nearly impossible to imagine the Republican Party nominating a candidate who spent years and years publishing a racist newsletter and has deep associations with the fringe far right. (Here he is speaking to the John Birch Society on the occasion of its 50th anniversary.) It would be even more impossible to imagine the Party nominating a candidate who favors total withdrawal from world affairs and takes a Chomsky-ite line on American power. The notion that the Party might nominate a candidate who does both these things is totally preposterous.

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Paul’s supporters seem to believe that the media ignoring him is the only thing keeping him from challenging for the Party nomination. More likely, it’s the only thing that’s allowed his candidacy to progress to this point. If more people actually understood the full scope of Paul’s fringe-right views, a huge portion of his support would peel off.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: paul; ronpaul
No Paul can't win.

But he can serve a purpose. That purpose is to prevent the Not Romney for coalescing around one candidate.

1 posted on 12/19/2011 3:39:52 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

He is quite useful for Obama. What could be better for Obama than a crackpot polluting the GOP primary process?


2 posted on 12/19/2011 3:42:45 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: TBBT

Cuckoo on foreign relations — absolutely cuckoo. The GOP convention would sooner drink cyanide Kool-Aid than nominate Paul.


3 posted on 12/19/2011 3:43:52 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: TBBT
imagine the Party nominating a candidate who favors total withdrawal from world affairs and takes a Chomsky-ite line on American power.

I have voted Republican in every presidential election since my first one in 1972. If Ron-Paul Ahmanutjob is the nominee, it would be the first time I would NOT vote Republican.

4 posted on 12/19/2011 3:49:11 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (NO on RoPaul!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Who are you voting for then genius? Anyone is better than Barry.. even *hold my nose* Ron Paul.


5 posted on 12/19/2011 3:55:04 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: TBBT

Ron Paul is a Re-set Button....

Better than Obama, but still just as painful, maybe MORE painful inthe short run....

The issue is is after Ron paul re-sets would it lead to a Backlash Swing back to the Democrats? Yes, probably.


6 posted on 12/19/2011 4:01:09 PM PST by GraceG
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To: TBBT

Even Don Imus knows Ron Paul is a lunatic.


7 posted on 12/19/2011 4:02:02 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: TBBT
He may not be able to win, but he is the only candidate pushing to reduce the size of the Federal government and get spending under control.

And since deficit spending is the most important issue facing us, he could actually save the republic by vetoing every bill Congress sends him for 4 years.
8 posted on 12/19/2011 4:02:28 PM PST by microgood
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To: TBBT

Votes for Run Paul serve a purpose for those who want Obama to have another four years.


9 posted on 12/19/2011 4:10:30 PM PST by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: TBBT

He wouldn’t just “not win”, he wouldn’t even carry Utah, the reddest of the red.


10 posted on 12/19/2011 4:11:20 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: HiTech RedNeck
No, Really, Ron Paul Cannot Win

And no sane person should want him to win.

11 posted on 12/19/2011 4:11:38 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: goseminoles
"years and years publishing a racist newsletter and has deep associations with the fringe far right. (Here he is speaking to the John Birch Society on the occasion of its 50th anniversary.)"

Oh My! Lions & Tigers & Bears... The evil JBS too?!

This once great nation will remain on the road to destruction whether we take the fast lane with "O" or change to the slow lane with Mitt or Newt. This country will be toast in another 20, 25 years or so. And we deserve it. Apathetic or Pathetic? Whatever...

12 posted on 12/19/2011 4:13:32 PM PST by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

It’s getting a bit much here the last few days, isn’t it?


13 posted on 12/19/2011 4:24:24 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: B Knotts
What Ron said about Bachmann on Leno did it for me. I know people call him all kinds of names but my American sense was to give the guy his voice. After that on Leno? The Asshole can just shut up and go away. I would crawl over razors to write in anyone but Obama and Paul.
14 posted on 12/19/2011 4:53:58 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: TBBT

Someone needs to get a new script.This lunatic nutcase stuff is boring. Also can’t win business which has been used on every candidate except Romney. Look anyone that thinks Romney or the GOP can win without the Tea Party is NUTS.


15 posted on 12/19/2011 4:56:02 PM PST by littlesorrel
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To: TBBT

Ron Paul himself probably doesn’t think he could win. But this does not negate his candidacy one bit, in fact, by not winning, his ideas could become a lot more powerful.

For example, imagine if the eventual candidate (other than RINO Romney), were to name Ron Paul as his VP? Those who agreed with *most* of Paul’s ideas would click their heels, especially if the presidential candidate openly tasked Paul with planning bit cuts in government.

Or, just as good, possibly better, the new president could appoint Paul as head of a major government agency, and task him with eliminating it. And then, when it was gone, to make him head of another agency, with the same prerogative.

Importantly, such agencies spend a lot of time trying to come up with something important to do, to justify their bloat. So if there was something legitimate, Paul would have to identify just it, and arrange for it to be transferred to a surviving agency.

Ironically as all get out, Paul would be able to do this *better* as a VP or cabinet officer than he would be able to do as president.

However, the only way this can come about is if Paul gets such a following as a candidate, that whoever wins the nomination has no choice but to either invite Paul in to a position of real power, or to split the party.

Mind you, this would *not* be Paul splitting the party, as some pundits have suggested, but the *other* candidate. And by doing so, he would almost guarantee he would lose. So he would have no choice in the matter.

So even if you don’t believe in all of what Paul is saying, or have other reservations about him, you can still root for his candidacy, and hope he comes in with a close second place.


16 posted on 12/19/2011 4:57:21 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: TBBT

The author is absolutely right in that Ron Paul will not win the gop nomination. That’s already spoken for by Mitt Romney.

But that’s not the point. The question is whether he can win the general election as a third party candidate.

Of course, the pre-determined theme on this thread is that “Ron Paul is CRAZY, NUTS, HE HATES JEWS, HE’S AN APPEASER, HE’S DANGEROUS!!”

So I guess we’ll see what happens.


17 posted on 12/19/2011 5:17:53 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“The GOP convention would sooner drink cyanide Kool-Aid than nominate Paul.”

But they’ll rush to nominate mittens. Bet on it.


18 posted on 12/19/2011 5:19:39 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“Votes for Run Paul serve a purpose for those who want Obama to have another four years.”

Naaaah. That purpose is filled by voters for mitt. Who will be the gop nominee by the way.


19 posted on 12/19/2011 5:21:03 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: TBBT
"Paul can't win"

For the only time I can remember, I agree with Chait about something.

20 posted on 12/19/2011 5:27:03 PM PST by driftless2
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To: TBBT
Another hit piece from a lefty loony no one on this forum would read unless . . another FReeper posted it because it dovetailed with his or her own political leanings.

Go back to TNR and you'll likely find more of this tripe, but aimed at George W. Bush.

Jonathan Chait, for anyone who cares.

I don't.

21 posted on 12/19/2011 5:41:58 PM PST by logician2u
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To: goseminoles
Who are you voting for then. . . ?

I plan on voting for the Republican candidate. I cannot possibly imagine Paul being the nominee. The thought is too bizarre to contemplate.

22 posted on 12/19/2011 5:43:30 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (NO on RoPaul!)
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To: TBBT
Even better: check out how popular this author is at your favorite site, Democratic Underworld . . er, Underwear.

Ron Paul isn't the only Republican Chait haits.

23 posted on 12/19/2011 5:52:06 PM PST by logician2u
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To: TBBT
Here's WHY Paul can't win.
24 posted on 12/19/2011 5:57:12 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

States have rights? Whodathunkit?


25 posted on 12/19/2011 6:17:19 PM PST by logician2u
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To: TBBT

Under some strange scenarios Ron Paul could win the presidency. Mitt Romney gets caught embezzeling money from his corporation,and fraudulantly funding his campaign with the money. At the same time Newt gets caught in a gay trist. He want give up his lovers name, but says its ok cause he didn’t mess around with other women like he promised his wife he wouldn’t. Barack Obama resigns. Telling the media he was tired of cleaning two houses, after divorsing his wife. Ron Paul is the last man standing.


26 posted on 12/19/2011 6:31:27 PM PST by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: microgood

You wonder, if the real reason many in the GOP are afraid of Ron Paul...is that he would cut the budget and spending...

Not my candidate (Michelle Bachmann is my choice)...but with the RINO infestation among the 2012 group....Ron Paul is actually more palatable than the Global Warming guy...the Open Borders/Illegal Alien In State Tuition guy....and the I was ObamaCare before ObamaCare guy.

In 2008 we had much better overall conservative candidates...and ended up with Liberal RINO Soros Funded John McCain. I see the GOP making another big mistake in 2012


27 posted on 12/19/2011 6:35:13 PM PST by RealImmigrant (National Security begins at the Border)
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