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Many in U.S. (one third) Are Arrested by Age 23, Study Finds
NY Times ^ | 12/19/11 | ERICA GOODE

Posted on 12/20/2011 5:00:59 AM PST by Libloather

Many in U.S. Are Arrested by Age 23, Study Finds
By ERICA GOODE
Published: December 19, 2011

By age 23, almost a third of Americans have been arrested for a crime, according to a new study that researchers say is a measure of growing exposure to the criminal justice system in everyday life.

The study, the first since the 1960s to look at the arrest histories of a national sample of adolescents and young adults over time, found that 30.2 percent of the 23-year-olds who participated reported having been arrested for an offense other than a minor traffic violation.

That figure is significantly higher than the 22 percent found in a 1965 study that examined the same issue using different methods. The increase may be a reflection of the justice system becoming more punitive and more aggressive in its reach during the last half-century, the researchers said. Arrests for drug-related offenses, for example, have become far more common, as have zero-tolerance policies in schools.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americans; arrested; perps; study
Yet Pelosi goes free.
1 posted on 12/20/2011 5:01:06 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Paraphrasing - We do not WANT you to obey the laws, there is no way to control a free and innocent man. Instead we make the laws TO be broken, therefore making you a criminal and giving us the ability, right and obligation to control you.


2 posted on 12/20/2011 5:02:33 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Libloather

This probably covers illegals.
Maybe multiple arrests too


3 posted on 12/20/2011 5:06:40 AM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
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To: Libloather

>> The study did not look at racial or regional differences, but other research has found higher arrest rates for black men and for youths living in poor urban areas.

No dads in the home = trouble. Thank you, LBJ, and all the “Great Society” pimps.


4 posted on 12/20/2011 5:08:47 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Libloather

Interesting they specifically chose NOT to look at race. What possible reason could they have for that other than political correctness. The data is available in the National Longitudinal Study of Youth.


5 posted on 12/20/2011 5:09:38 AM PST by MtBaldy
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To: Libloather

I do not believe that statistic for a minute. That would require every man and 1 in 10 women or an additional woman for every man not arrested by age 23. The methodology sounds screwy—asking teens and answering for those who didn’t—and the results could have been easily debunked by checking actual crime statistics.


6 posted on 12/20/2011 5:12:29 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: RoadGumby

Exactly. The increasing expansion of laws and regulations, along with ever increasing numbers of federal state and local agencies to enforce those laws and regulations means that we are going to have an increasing number of “criminals.” Your dog poops on a sidewalk and you are now a criminal. Throw away an environmentally friendly lightbulb and you are now a criminal. According to statistics, 99% of internet transactions are criminal because the purchaser does not fill out the form and pay the “use” tax to his state government.


7 posted on 12/20/2011 5:13:24 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Libloather

Another example of selective polling results. Ridiculous.


8 posted on 12/20/2011 5:20:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: QBFimi

“No dads in the home = trouble.”

I seldom see kids except at the gym. My workout buddy pointed out three young men I’d never seen before and told me they’d been kicked off his son’s soccer team because they were arrested for smoking pot. One of the mothers worked at the gym and she’d made them come there so they wouldn’t be at home alone after school. What did they have in common? Black and fatherless.

At a park in South Africa they were having problems with the adolescent male elephants killing younger hippos. They brought in a bull elephant from another park. When the adolescents harassed the hippos the bull elephant smacked them around. The killing stopped.

It takes two parents (not a village) to raise a child and one of them must be male.


9 posted on 12/20/2011 5:22:15 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Libloather
By age 23, almost a third of Americans have been arrested for a crime
Given the state of almost every city in America, I'm surprised it's only a third.
10 posted on 12/20/2011 5:22:15 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Libloather
"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."- p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957 "...

fullyinformedjuries

11 posted on 12/20/2011 5:22:41 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: RoadGumby

When everything’s a crime, everyone’s a criminal.


12 posted on 12/20/2011 5:23:45 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: MtBaldy
Interesting they specifically chose NOT to look at race. What possible reason could they have for that other than political correctness.

That, and not wanting to be cut off from all future grant funding.

13 posted on 12/20/2011 5:27:09 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: RoadGumby

It is a great scam to implement gun control because if they can get you on a felony then you can no longer own a gun.

I think that higher arrest rates produces a society that no longer cares about the laws. It is like getting a disciplinarian write up at work, if everyone has one then they have all lost their meaning.


14 posted on 12/20/2011 5:27:16 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: Libloather

Some friends and I were clubbing in Myrtle Beach in the early 90’s. One friend got too drunk, did the smart thing and just passed out, on the passenger seat(without any keys in the ignition and the door closed) inside my vehicle parked in a 24 public parking lot. I was not drinking—I was the designated driver.

We arrived from clubbing,checked on him to see if he was OK and then walked to a Denny’s for breakfast. When we returned, the Myrtle Beach police were banging on the door,woke him up, dragged him out and proceeded to arrest him for public drunkenness.

Long story short: It was easier to pay the fine then argue with the police especially when the police realized I was NOT drinking and was responsible for driving my drunk crew home.

Sometimes, I believe many arrests like this are nothing more than raising money for local coffers.

JMO...


15 posted on 12/20/2011 5:27:48 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: WOBBLY BOB
When everything’s a crime, everyone’s a criminal.

Yep,and it's getting that way fast!

16 posted on 12/20/2011 5:29:39 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: Libloather
...arrest histories of a national sample of adolescents and young adults over time, found that 30.2 percent of the 23-year-olds who participated ...

The sample is skewed ...

17 posted on 12/20/2011 5:29:54 AM PST by Ken522
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To: pennyfarmer
I think that higher arrest rates produces a society that no longer cares about the laws. It is like getting a disciplinarian write up at work, if everyone has one then they have all lost their meaning.

I believe it was Winston Churchill who said something about us having ten thousand regulations trying to uphold ten commandments.

18 posted on 12/20/2011 5:30:37 AM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Libloather
Arrests for drug-related offenses, for example, have become far more common, as have zero-tolerance policies in schools.
Bingo!

Little Timmy draws a stick-man saying 'Bang!' and it's off to Sing Sing for him. Dare to kiss your girlfriend in HS and the Geometry Teacher will call the cops, you'll be arrested, convicted, and then be a Registered Sex Offender for life.

And for sure don't ever get in a fight. You'll be charged with Mob Action, Felony Assault and Battery, Terrorism, and maybe a Hate Crime for good measure.

But it's just not in schools. Me and everyone I ever knew would be Convicted Felons if we had to grow up and live by todays 'laws'.

Make enough laws and everyone is a criminal.

19 posted on 12/20/2011 5:35:35 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: 9YearLurker

I think the key modifier in the article was “those who chose to participate”. I like you call BS on this number.


20 posted on 12/20/2011 5:36:28 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: 9YearLurker
That would require every man and 1 in 10 women or an additional woman for every man not arrested by age 23.

10 of 10 men and 1 of 10 women would be 11 of 20 or 55% (assuming equal numbers of men and women). You could get 30% by assuming 5 of 10 men and 1 of 10 women. Also, the study uses 'arrested', not 'convicted.' I was arrested at about 21 for essentially being there when the police wanted to arrest someone. Having done nothing wrong, the charges were dropped. I bet my experience is not all that unusual. This statistic may show a change in police behavior more than a change in societal behavior.

21 posted on 12/20/2011 5:46:05 AM PST by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: Gen.Blather

I read about that. Evidently the young bull elephants needed a male role model in order to learn proper male behavior.
Doesn’t apply to humans though, because we are too smart. /S


22 posted on 12/20/2011 5:55:51 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Condor51

Yep. I have never been arrested, but I grew up in the 1960s and 70s before all this cr@p became common. I doodled ever more detailed weapons and battles, did projects on Norman Knights and Greek Hoplites, got in fights with kids who wouldn’t leave me alone, etc.
Today, I could never get through school without being suspended, expelled or arrested.


23 posted on 12/20/2011 5:56:21 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Libloather
Many in U.S. (one third) Are Arrested by Age 23, Study Finds

Damn city people.

24 posted on 12/20/2011 6:03:11 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Libloather

Amazingly flawed methodology combined with absurd interpolation based on a limited dataset gleaned from a questionable sampling.

Arrest data while very interesting is pretty much meaningless when it comes to the real world. Especially with such a small sample. Conviction data is what needs to be looked at.

This appears to be a classic example of what results when too much grant money meets academics who have a conclusion they need to support. A lot of dollars get spent to say something that does not need to be listened to.

The eggheaded idiots.that did this “study” appear to have met their main goal and that is to put themselves in a situation where they can continue to milk the government breast as they continue their important “work”.


25 posted on 12/20/2011 6:03:56 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: tnlibertarian

***a third of Americans have been arrested for a crime***

Worth repeating. ARRESTED! not CONVICTED. And no description of what the offense may have been.

The OWSers numbers would have been huge - if the police had been allowed to perform their duty - for all public offenses of every degree.

Some of the ‘new’ laws are directed at normal, law abiding citizens of all ages (as one poster mentioned) i.e. politically correct infractions of recycling, speech, signs and trying to board a plane while white and senile.


26 posted on 12/20/2011 6:05:49 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason..)
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To: AndyJackson

I’ve lived and worked long-term in two outright communist countries, and also in one with Marxists in the congress and provincial legislatures, with Marxist land reform and other laws (along with ridiculous “offending feelings” laws).

Where do I now look over my shoulder the most? Right here in the USA, wondering when I might be nabbed for some environmental, weapons or other “violation.”


27 posted on 12/20/2011 6:06:11 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Libloather
It's difficult to draw hard conclusions from an essentially information-free article.
The only thing clear is that NYT suspects racism. No surprise there.

28 posted on 12/20/2011 6:08:40 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“When everything is a crime, everyone’s a criminal”.

I agree. I can give a prime example of people being arrested under age 21 that is a joke. In my county, if the police find one person at a party with alcohol (under age 21)... then everyone at the party under age 21 is given a citation (an arrest). It makes no difference whatsoever if the other participants drank the alcohol. I know many, many neighbors/friends who have had high school and college age kids “arrested” at a party with not so much as a drop of beer in them. The county police even have a “hotline” number where you can call and give information anonymously about possible underage drinking.


29 posted on 12/20/2011 6:09:44 AM PST by momtothree
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To: tnlibertarian

Ah, yes, exactly what I meant—shouldn’t post before coffee. Thanks.


30 posted on 12/20/2011 6:10:04 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Libloather
I am still amazed they can arrest kids today for possession of cigarettes......................
31 posted on 12/20/2011 6:12:07 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: Gen.Blather

>> ... they were having problems with the adolescent male elephants killing younger hippos. They brought in a bull elephant from another park. When the adolescents harassed the hippos the bull elephant smacked them around. The killing stopped.

Anyone who has ever raised horses knows this - you bring in a mature gelding and he kicks the crap out of the young’uns. Literally.

Some years ago, a neighboring couple decided they were going to go into the horse breeding business.

They bought a young, high value stallion. The thing had never been socialized, had no manners, and would challenge you at the drop of a pin. They were repeatedly told: “Put him in the field with your geldings; they’ll straighten him out.” Having over $30,000 invested in the animal, they refused: “He’ll get hurt.”. After he charged and almost trampled the wife, they had him gelded.

He was still useless. They shoulda shot the damn thing and fed him to the lions in the zoo.


32 posted on 12/20/2011 6:13:39 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: John Leland 1789

I am still amazed they can arrest kids today for possession of cigarettes......................


33 posted on 12/20/2011 6:14:48 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: Libloather

I can believe this. Cops in our town are chasing down 18 to 21 year olds on weekends for underage drinking. It’s a huge money maker.


34 posted on 12/20/2011 6:40:42 AM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: 9YearLurker

I believe it since it’s anything other than traffic violations. I know lots of people who got arrested in high school. There were normally two reasons:

1. Curfew
2. A “good” party

Rumor had it that one kid who got put in jail for in a big bust for number two was left there until eight in the morning because his mother wasn’t getting out of bed at an indecent hour to go get him.

You think that guy was ever arrested again?


35 posted on 12/20/2011 6:53:29 AM PST by PrincessB (Drill Baby Drill.)
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To: tnlibertarian

“This statistic may show a change in police behavior more than a change in societal behavior.”
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

I would bet on it, back in the sixties you could get away with doing something, OBSERVED BY A POLICEMAN, that would land you in jail or possibly prison now.


36 posted on 12/20/2011 6:55:14 AM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: Libloather
I'd have trouble believing this if I hadn't stopped for Happy Hour one night where the discussion turned to this very subject.

Attending were a dozen of the best educated, smartest, high-earning individuals I had ever worked with.

A little more than half of them had spent at least a night in jail. None of them were ever sentenced to jail, though. Mind-altering seemed to be the common bond.

37 posted on 12/20/2011 7:00:39 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Libloather
I'd have trouble believing this if I hadn't stopped for Happy Hour one night where the discussion turned to this very subject.

Attending were a dozen of the best educated, smartest, high-earning individuals I had ever worked with.

A little more than half of them had spent at least a night in jail. None of them were ever sentenced to jail, though. Mind-altering seemed to be the common bond.

38 posted on 12/20/2011 7:00:39 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: sodpoodle

‘Worth repeating. ARRESTED! not CONVICTED.’

That is a distinction without a difference to most employers.

This is another reason young people have trouble getting a job these days.


39 posted on 12/20/2011 7:06:09 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Libloather

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Our schools and media should be able to teach more youth than a 1/3 not to respect law (or anything for that matter)!


40 posted on 12/20/2011 7:08:13 AM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: Libloather

Thank goodness I’ve never been arrested.

(If you don’t count my development.)


41 posted on 12/20/2011 7:11:23 AM PST by Erasmus (Rage, rage, against the dying of the light. Or, get out your 50mm/1.2.)
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To: John Leland 1789

It used to be that one worried about traveling in some god-forsaken place in Africa or Serbo-Croatia where you could be put in prison on a caprice and never see the light of day. Now it is the good ol’ USA that has becoem the place where you worry about getting into a tangle with some power drunk statist polizei. Only it is worse because you don’t have the State Department backed by the US military trying to get you out. Instead you have the full power of the state trying to keep you in.


42 posted on 12/20/2011 9:51:56 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: ladyvet
"I can believe this. Cops in our town are chasing down 18 to 21 year olds on weekends for underage drinking. It’s a huge money maker."

Uh, yup. Nearly everything that passed for pretty average weekend fun for teenagers for most the last century will now get you picked up by the cops. More arrests = job security for cops, and kids are soft targets. DUA and DUI are the main focus of most police depts. DV cases are another boon to the system, although there is arguably some actual justice being served in cases where real violence is involved. As far as I'm concerned, a person shouldn't be subject to arrest for merely raising their voice in their own home.

Forget about getting the police to investigate and prosecute property crimes - which they basically refuse to do without at least one eye witness other than the victim.
43 posted on 12/20/2011 10:48:04 AM PST by CowboyJay (Lowest Common Denominator 2012 - because liberty was overrated)
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To: Libloather
arrested for an offense other than a minor traffic violation

Is anyone placed under arrest for a minor traffic violation?

ML/NJ

44 posted on 12/20/2011 11:34:49 AM PST by ml/nj
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